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A86489 The skirts of the whore discovered, and the mingled people in the midst of her. In a letter sent by Denys Hollister to the independent baptiz'd people, who call themselves a Church of Christ in Bristol, but are found to be a synagogue of Satan, in answer to a charge brought to him from them by some of their members, and by him ... published. Together with another letter written by him to Thomas Ewens, a teacher among them, ... referring to his speaking among his people of having Sarah Latchet a servant of Jesus, once a member among the Baptists, sent to Bridewell, and whipt for testifying to them in the name of the Lord in their meeting the second day of the ninth moneth. 1655. And likewise an answer to 16 antiqueries directed to the people called Quakers, which answer was sent to Thomas Ewens, from whom the antiqueries were received, though Iohn Pendarviss a long time after published the antiqueries by the name of Queries, without the answer to them, or taking the least notice of it in a book entituled Arrows against Babylon which hath occasiond the presenting of the one, and the other, now to the view of those who read, and understand, to judge of the whole, and of their unfaire and deceitfull dealing. Hollister, Dennis, d. 1676? 1656 (1656) Wing H2508; Thomason E896_3; ESTC R202571 35,627 37

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the sake of him whom the world knows not and therefore persecute who was ever a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief have I chosen rather to suffer afflictions with the people of God then to enjoy the Pleasures and Treasures of England and can truly say Much rather would I be a Door-keeper in the House of God where the living presence and power of God is manifested known and witnessed then with you to dwell in the Tents of ungodliness where pride oppression violence persecution is owned and practiced These things are found among you if any of you deny the Spirit of persecution let him declare it and any of you are tender hearted and desire after the Lord Come forth from among them and be ye separate saith the Lord and touch not the unclean thing and I will receive you and will be a Father unto you and ye shall be my sons and daughters faith the Lord God Almighty The LETTER to the INDEPENDANT-BAPTIZED People Friends ALthough I cannot own any power at all you have over me neither am careful of the judgement of man who must abide the judgement of God before whose seat all must shortly come yet some Messengers from you having some time past been with me and told me they were sent by the Church of Christ and in the name of Christ to warn me of some things they lay to my charge as sin The true love I ever had to your souls constrains me to give you an answer in all simplicity and plainness and by the same spirit by which I often spake among you when many could not bear it but were offended as they still will be which I matter not well knowing from what fountain of darkness and ignorance it comes But before I proceed to answer the Particulars I must in faithfulness to your souls tell you that I am even constrained to bear witness that you are no Church of Christ neither know the name of Christ but a Synagogue of Satan and a Cage of unclean and hateful Spirits in which lodgeth Pride Hypocrisie Envy Slandering Back-biting Railing Lying love to this present World and conformity to the fashions customs and conversation of the same notwithstanding there is that in some among you after which my soul doth greatly groan with much longings that the salvation of God were come out of Sion c. but the Temple of God is holy Christ dwells not with these unclean Spirits And it becomes all who name the name of the Lord to depart from these iniquities his Name is dreadful to it and those that know his Name know it so c. To the Particulars 1. You say my sin lies in leaving the Church which hath these three sad considerations in it as you judge The drawing of many from the Faith and way of the Gospel The offending staggering and grieving many weak souls And the opening the mouths of many to speak evill of the wayes of Truth To which I Reply That all Judgement is given to the Son whom you being ignorant of and enemies to in your minds by wicked works by what can you judge or what is your judgement worth The Church I own as the Pillar and ground of truth which are all living stones built upon the living Foundation and groweth up into an holy Temple for God through the eternal Spirit in which the Lord God Almighty dwels and walks and manifests himself which Church I have not left But if by the Church you mean a company of people dead in trespasses without the life and power of godliness or true knowledge of God by the Revelation of the Sonne living in pride in the customes and loves of the world serving diverse lusts and pleasures ever learning but never comes to the knowledge of the Truth walking like other Gentiles in the Vanities of their minds having their understandings darkned and hating the true Light so that they are alienated from the life of God through ignorance feeding on ashes not on bread having a dead Forme without the living power of Godliness From this if I turn away it is not my sin but my duty and from this if any be drawn it is matter of joy in Heaven and of no sadness except to that which is beneath and to be cast out At which that which is offended stagger'd or griev'd may wel be said to be Weak and must perish It is true the mouths of many are now open to speak evill of the waies of Truth and of things they understand not as ever it was of old But as many among your selves are not the least in that transgression so shall you not miss of righteous Judgement except you repent in this approaching day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ Who is to be reveald from Heaven in flames of fire to take Vengeance on them who know not God nor obey the Gospel of our Lord Iesus Christ c. 2. You say my sin lies in neglecting and comtemning some of the Ordinances of Christ To which I Reply The Inventions Traditions and Imaginations of mens carnall wisedome withall that is done in the first nature being bus Cains Sacrifice and nol acceptable to God I am learning to neglect and disesteem Yea all that of which the Lord by the true Prophet Isay complaines Isay 11.10 to the 16. where you may read that in the account of the pure God the multitude of Sacrifices Oblations Incense New Moons Sabbaths solemn Assemblies appointed Feasts spreading forth the hands and making many prayers was to no purpose no delight had the Lord in it he required it not at their hands it was vain abominable and burthensome to him who could not away with it his soule hated it it was a trouble to him it was iniquity coming from impure hearts and bloody hands but the ordinances and appointments of God to his people I own approve and long after in the pure light life and spirit in which the true Saints had communion and fellowship When I asked your Messengers as they call'd themselves what they meant in particular by the ordinances that I neglected They rereplyed Baptism by Water and breaking of Bread To which I answer How can you but blush when you consider that degree of deceit and hypocrifie in which you now speak doth not that of God in all your Consciences reprove you I know it doth if you will observe it and therefore in plainness yet with true love let me ask you how can you say to me pull out the mote that is in thine eye when behold a beam is in your own eyes Can you judge me and not condemne your selves who doe the same things A Member of an Anabaptist Assembly I never was but did bear witness against it as ye know and the people with whom I walked was once neer upon casting out one for entertaining that opinion of Water-Baptism And when did you baptize as you call it your children I have known no
to be in such confusion that you cannot discern the mother of Harlots the father of Lies neither know the Wine the Church the cup nor the Kingdom of the Lord further then you can imagine in your earthly sensual wisdom and you being so blinde and in such confusion without the power which laid the foundation as you confess we deny your spirit and account your stuff in your Answer as not worth mentioning to rake up after you but what you want in answering you can make up in asking shewing unreasonableness by your own confession And likewise appears that you would cover your selves and hide your perswasions and had rather pry into the conditions of others then bring your own deeds to the Light and seeing there is insulting because of our not answering in your time and false conclutions drawn we bear witness against your deceit and proceed to answer declaring that we differ by the power of the living God who by his spirit hath quickned us by which we see and discern you to be in the Will-worship in the wisdom which is from below of that number who are measuring your selves by your selves and comparing your selves among your selves and not according to the measure of the rule which God hath distributed with which we agree but that to us from you doth not reach and therefore your voice and spirit we deny though you take the Scriptures to talk upon and trade withal in your earthly imaginations looking that the Kingdom of God should come with observation and say The cup of the Lord which is the true Vine is an outward cup when as the Kingdom of God is within O ye blinde guides how can you teach others who are your selves ignorant of the Kingdom and of the cup of the Lord and we bear witness to the sive things at least of great concernment and with your spirit we do not agree First We own and witness that God by Jesus Christ calls sinners to repentance and saves his people from their sins and redeems them from the wrath to come soul and body as many as rightly believe and work by love And that the same Jesus that at Ierusalem was crucified and before Pilate witnessed a good confession is now in the Heaven and the same that descended did ascend and comes again in like maner and also that our vile bodies shall be made like unto his glorious body and be flesh of his flesh and bone of his bone And again Every spirit we credit not but believing in the Lord Jesus we try the spirits and yours is tryed and seen to be the spirit of the world and not believed by us nor credited though you pretend to come with light therefore your spirits are rejected And lastly We know that it is not every one that saith Lord but he that doth the will of the Lord that enters into the kingdom of God And such have right to the Tree of Life and interest in the Promises made to Believers who worship God in Spirit and Truth and keep the Commandments according as they have received not by tradition nor imitation by and in the earthly carnal wisdom but led and guided by the spirit of the living God by which spirit we bear witness against your traditions and inventions and herein we differ and we do agree with that which convinceth you of sin and makes manifest your deceit and calls you to repentance from dead works that is the light which we love and you hating it and walking contrary to it and loving darkness differs you from the children of God and there is your condemnation and for answer to your other Quaeries take as followeth Query 2. Whether you doe not by many of your sayings craftily hide your perswasions from the sight of some honest people And is not this dissimulation at the best or lying after the manner of Ananias Acts 5.2 Answer Dissimulation at the best or lying against the Spirit we deny and from honest people we doe not craftily hide our perswasions but by manifestation of the truth commending our selves to every mans Conscience in in the sight of God not walking in craftiness but renouncing the hidden things of dishonesty and if our Gospel be hid it is hid to them that are lost Query 3. Whether your selves even all of you be not Men and Women of finfull failings and imperfections as those godly people you cry down If not tell us who are the persons among you without their failings and imperfections and how they came so to be Answer This Query is rais'd from a Lye godly people we cry not down but deceit in all we witness against by that which is Eternal without imperfection And for being free from sin we say the Sonne of God is come which takes away sinne and he that 's borne of God sinneth not he that is in Christ is a new creature and this many among us are Witnesses of but the sinfull failings are without and such we do not justifie by saying they are not where they are or pleading for them where they are Query 4. Doe your in your judgements of the Congregations of Believers look after those things which are commendable as well as those which are condemnable in their practises doc you not on the contrary cry them down in general without any mercy Answer Yea we doe look after those things which are commendable in Believers and own them but they that say they are Believers and are not are to be witnessed against But to cry all down without any mercie is false and the lyar is for condemnation with the Light and with it we have unitie Quere 5. Whether your declaring against instrumentall Teaching and yet going about informing and instructing your selves and others doth not discover a grosse contradiction between your principles and practises and whether it be right to set them against it to bring them to hear your declaring altering only the name Answer Against the Teachings of Man or such who know what they know naturally we declare yet we are sent to turne from darkness to light and this is right and no contradiction but as the Prophets and Apostles who went up and down declaring against Seducers Deceivers and false Teachers and they informed and instructed and they that were of God heard them and this is not only altering the name But the Spirit is another and so the nature which beares witness against the spirit of the world where ever it rules Let your name be what it will your nature is seen and witnessed against Quere 6. Whether instrumentall Teaching be unsuitable unto the new Covenant If so why did Christ being ascended appoint Pastors and Teachers till all came into the Vnity ordaining Ministers for the Work while Work remaines did Christ burden his Saints with needlesse appointments Answer It s confest we goe about informing and instructing our selves and others and the New Covenant we own where all are taught of God and why Christ