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A16163 A friendlie communcication or dialogue betweene Paule and Damas wherein is disputed how we are to vse the pleasures of this life. By Samuel Byrd, Master of Art, and fellow not long since of Benet Colledge. Bird, Samuel, d. 1604. 1580 (1580) STC 3086; ESTC S102321 65,647 186

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kingdome of God that is to saie hée shall not bée in the kindgome of God at all for it followeth immediatlie Except your righteousnesse excéede the righteousnesse of the Scribes and Pharesies ye shall not enter into the kingdome of heauen and wée knowe that their righteousnes had respect to outward murther to outward theft till heauen and earth perish one iotte or title of the lawe shall not scape till all thinges be fulfilled I read not long since a learned a godlie treatise wherein is conteined a speach belonging to this matter which because it is excellent and because a notable iudgement of God did followe vpon the preaching thereof which did as it were from heauen féele the truth of it I will repeate it vnto you Hath Iesus Christ come into the flesh to laie the bridle of our necks to runne after our owne vaine deuises Hath he obtained by his comming twelue daies of God the father for carding dising masking muming for mocking and mowing for crieng and laughing for the practising of euerie vaine deuise that commeth to our heads all the yeare Or doe we thinke that this prophaning of so earnest a matter this turning of the grace of God into licence and wantonnesse shall be vnpunished What is this but euen to giue a réede into the hand of Iesus Christ and to mocke his kingdome What crowning of him is it in this vaine mirth and wantonnesse but with briers and thornes to pricke his head Is this the ioie spoken off by the Angell that came to declare his birth tolde hée tidinges of this gladnesse Is this the benefite that thou hast purchased to vs by that wonderfull mysterie of thine incarnation O Emmanuel Oh I am ashamed that it should euer be hearde of among the Iewes and Turkes that the Christians at that time of the yeare when their sauiour was borne shuld giue themselues for manie daies from their ordinarie modest and shamefaced behauiour from walking ordinarilie in their vocation studies to vnmodest shamefull practises to vnmodest waking all for vaine vnfruitfull works of darknesse Wherin differeth our celebration of the natiuitie of Christ from the popish Christians How doe we looke to call Papists from their vaine conuersation whē we are not our selues a foot from them I think if but thus much were spoken amongst the Heathen against so great an abuse they would repent in sackcloth and ashes And yet I know that this people will not be brought from this vaine conuersation for they loue it and delight in that without these thinges they complaine that it is but a dead Christmas These men will neuer confesse the truth of this doctrine till God haue sealed it with some plague or other This plague of God was threatened by a godlie learned young man in a sermon that he made at Trinitie Colledge somewhat before Christmas after Christmas the plague that was threatened fell For a scholler of Trinitie Colledge strangled himselfe right ouer the place where he with other kept such reuell route Who is wise saith Dauid and will marke these thinges The sinne which before séemed as light as a feather did then lie heauie at his heart his merrie companions could not take awaie the sting thereof from him this sinne so troubled his minde that the violent renting asunder of the soule from the vodie séemed nothing so gréeuous nay hée vsed this violent renting that I speake off as a remedie to ease himselfe of the other The Lord would awake vs by this his fearefull iudgement out of our déepe sléepe of sinne least we should go to hell as it were in a sléepe before we are aware of it and yet wée are still foolish and can take no profit by it Because these iudgements of God come so seldome wée soone forgette them but if the Lorde should thus dailie punish vs wée would not thinke that there is anie iudgement to come Because this fearfull plague was not executed vpon our own persons we are therefore without feare but it pleaseth the Lord to admonish vs by this his iudgement and how could this thing haue bene if we our selues had bene thus punished wée thinke we haue wit inough to auoide this thing but in thinking so wée thinke amisse for the Scholler had wit inough and if hée had not I am sure Achitophel had and yet did he thus violentlie destroie himselfe When the iudgements of God fall vpon vs all the witte we haue cannot auoide them the onelie waie to auoide the fearefull iudgements of God is to forsake our rioting which is the cause thereof ¶ Of continuance at gaming The third Chapter BVt I will goe forward and speake more particulerlie of gaming Games me think maie verie well be diuided into such the chiefe sport whereof consisteth in looking on of which kinde are hunting hawking stage plaies and such like And into such wherein men are the chiefe dooers of which kinde are daunsing dicing tenesing and such like Demas I praie you sir what thinke you of hunting doe you thinke it an vnméet exercise for a Christian I haue heard that some haue vtterlie disalowed of it because Esau a wickedman hunted Paule What some men doe I cannot tell for my part I dare not condemne it as for the reason of Esau his hunting it is nothing worth For as euerie thing that a godlie man doth is not by and by to bée allowed off so is not euerie thing that a wicked man doth alwaies to be misliked Beside this though Esau béeing a wicked man hunted yet he did it at the commandement of his father which was a good man my reason wherefore it ought not to be condemned is this The Lord hath giuen the free vse of all his creatures to vs Christians wée maie safelie féede of them all In giuing therfore the vse of thē he alloweth of the meanes wherby we come to haue the vse of them for otherwise he should but mocke vs. Onelie the faultes of hunters and fawkners I will not take vpon me to defende The spoiling of mens douehouses for the prouision of their hawkes the spoiling of mens corne with the entring of their hawkes at the beginning of haruest the breaking of gaps whereby mens ground is laide open to the spoile these thinges cannot bée allowed off for if the Lorde cannot abide that wée should profit our selues by the hurt of an other he can much lesse abide that for our pleasure we should be an hinderaunce to anie The generall thing that is to be obserued in all games is this that no man bestowe too much time in them although they be lawfull for euerie man without exception must buisie himselfe in some certeine dailie calling but those that followe gaming cannot doe so therfore no man must followe gaming But to the ende it might bée knowne what I meane I tearme this a calling not to paie to euerie man that which is his or to doe as a man would bée done to for that is
that the Cap. 16. 49. sinnes of Sodom Gomor were fulnesse of bread pride and idlenesse the place is plaine inough it néedeth no interpetation onelie a godlie meditation will serue the turne This kind of men that I speake of thinke that little sinnes are not to be made account of yet we will laugh at that foolish papisticall distinction betwéene mortal veniall sinnes For whorebome theft murder is not that deadlie sin that the Apostle speaketh of No sinne is veniall euerie sin is deadlie For 1. Iohn 5. 16 the reward of sinne is death all vnrighteousnesse is sinne as Iohn teacheth vs accursed is he that shall not continue in euerie thing that is written in the booke of the Law to do it we must loue the Lord with all our hearts with al our thoughts When men chafe at cards or at tables we vse to speake fauourablie of this sin It is in their heat but afterward they are good fellowes againe But the holie Ghost when he intreateth of this matter he sets it out after an other sort He that worketh wrath Pro. 21. 24. in his arrogancie proud hautie and scornfull is his name A théefe maie lessen his sinnes by considering that vnworthinesse of the partie from whom he stealeth he is a churle and doth no good with his monie and therefore it were a good turne to rob him So likewise may the murderer if he be a godlie man whom he killeth he may say he did him a good turne if hée bée a wicked man that he killeth then he did the common wealth a good turne but where is the cōmandement of the great God all this while It is true that so long as we liue the roote of sinne shall dwell with vs in our mortall bodie We are not pure as that Familest supposeth but yet we must striue to be pure as the scripture teacheth Lust after it hath conceiued it bringeth forth sin as Iames teacheth We ought therefore to be vexed and wearied with it to desire after a patient manner to haue this tickle estate changed The Apostle Paul crieth out not onelie in his owne person but in the person of euerie regenerate man Wretched man that I am who shall deliuer me from this bodie of sinne If so singuler a man was not throroughlie cast downe before hée had wrasteled with the iustice of God in this commaundement we are to take héede least in suspecting that to be in vs which we want we become carelesse in séeking the mercie of Christ without the which there is no helpe We must iudge our selues least we bée iudged of the Lord wée must be confounded in our selues our deliuerie must be from the gates of death wée must knowe that our saluation doth cōsist in his frée grace séeing euen our thoughts are poisoned If this doctrine séemeth to rough we must remember that it was the saieng of our mercifull louing God euen of that God that loueth man déerelie and sent his onelie sonne to suffer a most horrible and a shamefull death for vs miserable men and that also euen when we were his enimies I saie it was the saieng of this God Whensoeuer thou eatest of the forbidden trée thou shalt die that deth Cōtrariwise it was the saieng of the enuious serpēt which was a manslaier frō the beginning the father prince of tyrāts which gapeth continually for bloud goeth about like a roaring Lion séeking whom he may destroy I say it was the saieng of this our profest sworne enimie that can abide no truce with vs you shal not die at al. But if we mark to what a sower death the swéet words of this flatterer tended we shall be forced to confesse that they wer more bitter thē wormwood that the wounds of him that loueth are farre better thē the kisses of him that hateth We must therfore resist that diuel thē he wil flie frō vs I grone for the amendmēt of these men what shold I saie vnto thē I wil shew vnto thē yet a little their owne estate to the end they may repēt I wold desire thē therfore in the feare of God to examine thēselues by such places of scripture as I will shew thē We read in ye. 4. verse of the. 28. of the Prouerbs that those that forsake the lawe praise the wicked but those that kéep the law do fight against thē We read in ye. xv psalme that he shall dwell in the tabernacle of God in whose eies a wicked man is despised which doth honour those that feare God He that approueth the wicked condemneth the innocent both of thē are an abhominatiō to the Lord. Now let them marke themselues whether they be more readie to blaze abrode that infirmitie of those which are not ashamed openlie to professe Christ his religion thē they are to vtter the lewd behauior of those that for any thing they can perceiue lie still in their accursed estate when an vnsatiable man resident or a wicked vaine man is but a little touched then we must iudge that best we do not know their hearts we cannot indéed sée directlie into their hearts no more then I can sée the hart of him that hath cōmitted actual whoordome or actuall murder but by their couetous vaine proud behauiour words we knowe they haue proude hearts vaine and couetous heartes for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh How can I set my selfe against a wicked man How can I dispise him if I cannot tell without iudgeing who is wicked In the Chapter of the Prouerbs that I last alledged it is said that he that hideth his sinne shall not prosper but he that confesseth forsaketh them shall haue mercie Happie is he that alwaies stādeth in awe but he which hardneth his hart shall fall into euill Reioice O yoūg man saith the Precher in thy youth walke in the waies of thine heart and in the sight of thine eies but knowe that for all these things God will bring thée to iudgement We vse to alledge the naturall inclination to naughtinesse that is in man to the end more libertie of sinning might be graunted him we are no Angels and so foorth but the consideration thereof ought to make vs more warie and more afraide of sin of the occasions of sinne as the 12. verse of the. 6. Chapter to the Ephesians teacheth vs. We thinke if wée maie haue so much time a lit●●● before we die as to saie Lord hau● mercie vpon me they shall doe well enough But the Scripture saith not euerie one that saith Lord Lord shall enter into the kingdome of heauen They shall call vppon me saith the Lord and I wil not heare them The Pre. 1. reason is because they aske not in faith for euerie man beléeueth not faith is no light opinion We thinke we maie repent timelie enough whē we are olde or whē we are gréeuouslie sicke but the Scripture saith driue not off from daie to daie to turne to the Lord for sodeinlie shall his wrath come Christ saith to all such that their maister wil come at such a time as they least looke for him Hieremie in his lamentations giueth vs better counsell then so It is good saith he for a man to beare the yoke in his youth contrarie to that diuellish saieng of some A young Saint and an olde diuell For teach a childe in the trade of his youth when he is olde he wll not depart from it I remember maister Ascham saith that there was a Iudge in England that had a companie of wilde Gentlemen brought before him for their misbehauiour they desire the Iudge that he would consider their case by his owne because he himselfe had ben somtimes wilde as they were But the Iudge willeth thē in anie case not to presume of his recouerie for whē I was young ther was twelue of vs saith he that rioted then as you do now but onelie two of vs came to good the rest were hanged I doe not speake this to the end that anie gamester that hath a misliking of his present estate should dispaire of himselfe for though the waie be straight that leadeth vnto life yet the Lord can make vs crucifie our affections denie our selues his yoke shall then be easie and his burden light the keping of the commandement as Iohn saith shall not then 1. Iohn 5. 3. be gréeuous for all that is borne of god ouercommeth that world Salomon speaking of these waies of wisdome saith that her waies are waies of pleasure all her paths prosperitie Throw thy selfe downe therefore before the footstole of Iesus Christ whatsoeuer t●ou art with sighing sobbing then hough gamsters haue ben thine onelie ioie darling yet he can make thée forget all euen by that mightie power whereby he is able to subdue all things vnto himself shal he bring this thing to passe Though by this meanes thou doest well perceiue that thou shalt forgoe the louing counteuance of a great manie yet the Lord will be vnto thée in stéed of all For he will comfort thée on this manner If you were of the world that world wold loue you for the world loueth hir owne such loue as it is wont to vse you should haue part of it but now you are not of the world therefore the world hates you If the world hateth you it hated me before you be of good chéere I haue ouercome the world feare not little flock for it is your fathers will to giue you a kingdome Those that sow in teares shall reape in ioie FINIS ¶ Imprinted at London by Thomas East for Iohn Harison the younger dwelling in Pater noster Roe at the signe of the Anker and are there to be solde