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A54844 The new discoverer discover'd by way of answer to Mr. Baxter his pretended discovery of the Grotian religion, with the several subjects therein conteined : to which is added an appendix conteining a rejoynder to diverse things both in the Key for Catholicks, and in the book of disputations about church-government and worship, &c. : together with a letter to the learned and reverend Dr. Heylin, concerning Mr. Hickman and Mr. Bashaw / by Thomas Pierce ... Pierce, Thomas, 1622-1691. 1659 (1659) Wing P2186; ESTC R44 268,193 354

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man and never more to be heeded in what you say you do but shew us your Doctrin thus breaking out at your Fingers ends For it is part of your Doctrin † Disp. of right to Sacram. p. 330. That many professors do rashly rail and lye in their passions whom yet you doubt not to be Godly Not considering that a Railer is yoked together with an Idolater a Drunkard an Extortioner and the like 1 Cor. 5.11 for it is also your Doctrin * Ibid p. 3●9 that a man may be a Drunkard and yet have true Grace and be in the number of the Godly Nay according to your † ☞ look back on ch 3. Sect. 1. 2. p. 62.63 64. Doctrin Godly men may be worse even Murderers Adulterers Incestuous persons Perjur'd R●bellious Schismatical Deniers of Christ of which I have shew'd your own words in * 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. 3. p. 115. another place So as in case it were true that the men of our way are such as you would fain have them they would be better than the most of your Godly men But if the Apostles had been alive you give us to guesse ho●●ou would probably have used them by your bitter 〈◊〉 of those persons who have not fallen from their principles nor broken their oaths nor receeded from their subscriptions nor changed with every turn of Time nor invaded any mans possessions but have ever made it their choice with * Heb. 11.25 Moses rather to be on the suffering than on the persecuting side When I and others have been pungent in our expressions of such as you we have said no more than we have proved by undeniable mediums and commonly out of your own writings From whence it is we stand justified on every side and free from all violation of Christian Charity or Candor But you in revenge of such honest dealing content your self with many naked and groundless general Affirmations concerning the men of our way without so much as an appearance of Reason for it We do approve of a severe but we cannot indure a false Accuser who never considers what is likely much less what is true but giddily throws out the dictates of Pet and Rancor VVhen our Lord and Master was lying in torment upon the Crosse He was not onely † Mar. 15.29 railed on by them that passed by but even one of the Malefactors who suffered with him on the Cross did * Luk. 23.39 railingly vomit up his gaul against him Thus you deal with his Spouse and his younger † Heb. 2 1● Brethren who have not been ashamed of the Cross of Christ which you and others have laid upon them and who do pray for your persons whilst they reprove your wayes Nay since the Downfall of the Presbytery your self are one of the Malefactors who justly suffer with those Innocents at whom you rail Innocents I mean as to the Presbyterian Calumnies upon which their sufferings were heaped on them But there are some of your own party whose eyes are opened and now do justifie the Prelatists whom they had formerly condemn'd These will be ready to * Luk. 23.40 rebuke you like that other Malefactor who was † Verse 39. hanged together with our Lord and probably bespeake you in these very words * Verse 40.41 Dost not thou fear God seeing thou art i● the same condemnation And we indeed justly for we Presbyterians receive the due reward of our Deedes but these men the Prelatists have done nothing amiss I pray consider what you have done and do so no more if you are wise Either forbear your Accusations or bring your Proofes along with them For this you know is my method and if you will follow my example in my Self-Revenger exemplified ch 3. from p. 77. to p. 85. Where I prove as well as accuse the Presbyterian Principles and Practise and that from the chief of your own Champions your Accusations will be such as become a Christian. A parallel ●as● between the P●arisees of old and our modern ●uritanes Sect. 40. As in your Grotian Religion so again in this Preface you pleade the cause of the Puritanes and boldly say they were taken for men seriously Religious where e're you came and thereupon you run on in your usuall way of defamation p. 18.19 But first suppose it were so indeed could it be possibly any fault in all those holy and learned men who have sharply written against the Puritanes that they did not ●rre with th● vulgar with whom alone you were conversant T is true the Puritanes with the Puritanes have ever pass'd for serious Christians and you say in effect that your whole Conversation hath been with Puritanes whilst you say how very highly you have ever found them to be reputed Mark how ill it fare's with you by a parallel case Bishop Hall'●of Pharisaisme Christianity p. 373 374. Bishop Hall hath told you of the Pharisees that they prayed often and long they read the Decalogue at least once every day the holiness of their carriage was such as they avoided every thing that might carry any doubt of pollution they paid Tithe even of all that is of more than they needed God would have a Sabbath kept and they overkept it The poore Iewes saith the Bishop were so besotted with the Admiration of these two The ☜ Scribes and the Pharisees that they would have thought if but two men must go to Heaven the one should be a Scribe the other a Pharisee It was not the person of these men nor their learning nor wit nor eloquence nor honour they admired so much but their righteousness Herein they seemed to exceed all men Do but think how the amazed multitude stared upon our Saviour when they heard this Paradox except your righteousnesse exceed the righteousnesse of the Scribes and Pharisees yee shall not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven Exceed the Pharisees in righteousness It were much for an Angel from Heaven What shall the poor sons of the earth do if these Worthies be turn'd away with a repulse Now Mr. Baxter apply the case Was our blessed Saviour to be reviled as an Enemy to the Saints for pronouncing so many woes to these Scribes and Pharisees and for calling them Hypocrites Mat. 23.13 17 24 33. blind guides Fooles Serpents Generation of Vipers Was he I say to be reviled for setting them out in these colours because forsooth the Common people did think them Saints Or did our Saviour forbear to acquaint the world with their Hypocrisies for fear their Favourers Abetters should cal him a Wine-bibber a Glutton a foe to the Godly but a Friend to Publicans Sinners was Bishop Andr●wes a slanderous person for preaching and writing against our Pharisees and setting them forth by the name of Puritanes because Mr. Baxter is of opinion that the Puritanes were Godly and holy men Or dare you say that Dr. Sanderson did
play with the Apple of God's eye as you unconscionably word it p. 19. When he writ so much against Puritanes and Puritanism in that incomparable Preface where you are personally concerned yet such as these are the men at whom you thrust through my sides It s true that now I have largely spoken concerning Puritanes But when you first of all rail'd against Antipuritanes I had not written upon the subject unles●● it were in a Citation and that by chance And therefore all your former bitterness was poured out against others of whom I reckon Bishop Andrews and Dr. Sanderson with the chief although your latter evomitions have partly lighted upon my self What hath been meant by the word Puritan by learned men Sect. 41. You make an excellent Confession that in the Vniversities and other intelligent Auditories the no●ion of a Puritane was so far understood as I and others do understand it that though you have heard before the King many a Sermon against Puritans which you judged impious yet it had this excuse that much of the Auditory partly understood it was not piety as such that was directly reviled p. 19. But then you add that it was not so among the common people through the land ibid. It were worth a man's knowledge from whom you heard those many Sermons which you impiously professe to have judged impious Whether it were from Bishop Andrews who preached more against Puritanes than any Bishop I ever read or whether it were from Bishop Hall from Doctor Sanderson or fro● whom Or whether you ever heard a Sermon before the King I do not think it the liklier because you say it The most I have learnt from your writings is to beware how I believe you For you know where you have told me such things as these that it was safer in all places that ever you knew ☞ Grot. Relig. p. 109. for men to live in constant Swearing Cursing and Drunkennesse then to have instructed a man's Family on the Lord's day Well said Mr. Baxter If you are not confuted by your own sayings of this kind you never shall be by my consent But be it so that the common people do understand the word Puritane as you would have them yet give me leave to understand it with the Universities you speak of with Bishop Andrews and Dr. Sanderson and all the rest of those glorious lights whose judgment of Puritanes I have elsewhere recited It is for us to instruct the seduced people not to cherish them in their errors and misunderstandings of Names or Things I wish that all the common people would read that Preface of Dr. Sanderson so much commended by all good men that so they might know the word Puritane as well as he I wish them as knowing in this point The Lord Chancellor Egerton's judgement of Puritans in the Case of the Post-Nati p. 99. Apud Antidot Lincolniense p. 35.36 as the Lord Chancellor Egerton who speaking of a dangerous rebellious Doctrin affirmes it never to have been taught but either by Traytors or by treasonable Papists or by seditious Puritanes and Sectaries He gives an instance of the first in Spencers Bill in Edward the second 's time Of the second in Harding's confutation of the Apology Of the third in Buchanan de jure Regni apud Scotes Penry Knox and such like By these saith the Lord Chancellor and those that are their followers and of their faction there is in their pamphlets too much such Traiterous seed sown Upon which Dr. Heylin doth thus infer the Puritanes are I see beholding to you for lending them so faire a Cloak to hide their Knavery Directing this speech unto the Lincolnshire Minister who had too much favoured the Puritanical Faction I wish the people were as knowing Bishop Bramhals judgem●nt of Puritanes In his Answer to Militiere p. 46. as the right Reverend Bishop Bramhall in this particular who call's it no lesse then a damnable slander and also the venom which the Puritan Faction infused into the hearts of the people that the King and Bishops had an intention to reestablish the Roman Catholick Religion I wish the common people would yet consider though it is late that * Luk. 23.27 28. whited Sepulchres appear beautifull outward but are within full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness Even so yee also saith our Saviour Blessed for ever appear outwardly righteous unto men but within ye are full of Hypocrisy and Iniquity And the outward appearance of Righteousness notwithstanding our Saviour's Erotesis is very no more terrible then it is just * Ve●se 33. How can yee escape the Damnation of Hell Sir I wish you would consider the damning nature of Hypocrisy and how far D. Owen hath charg'd you wi●h it nay how far you were moved to charge your self And boast no more as now you do p. 29. How many there are in your own charge who make a shew of the fear of God The Scribes and Pharisees made a shew beyond the best of our English outsides Those Citizen-Puritanes made a shew of the fear of God whom yet our Excellent Bishop Hall did entertaine with these words Bishop Hall of Pharisaism and Christianity p. 38● How many are there of you that under fair faces have foul Consciences All is good save that which appeare's not How many are there every where that shame Religion by professing it Whose beastly life makes God's truth suspected for as howsoever the Samaritan not the Iew relieved the distressed traveler yet the Iew 's Religion was true not the Samaritan's so in others truth of causes must not be judged by acts of persons yet as he said it must needs be good that Nero persecutes so who is not ready to say It cannot be good that such a miscreant professes Woe to thee Hypocrite Thou canst not touch not name goodness but thou defilest it God will plague thee for acting so high a part See what thou art and hate thy self o● if not that yot see how God hate 's thee he that made the heart sayes thou art no better then an handsome tombe the house of death Behold here a green turfe or smooth marble or ingraven brasse and a commending Epitaph all sightly but what is within an unsavoury rotten carcasse Though thou were wrapt in gold and perfumed with never so loud Prayers hol● semblances honest protestations yet thou art but noysome carrion to God Of all earthly things G●d cannot abide thee and if thou wouldst see how much lower yet his detestation reacheth know that when he would describe the torments of Hell he calls them as their worst title but the portion of Hypocrites Iam. 4.8 Wherefore cleanse your hands yee sinners and purge your hearts yee double-minded For unlesse your righteousness exceed the Hypocriticall righteousness of the Scribes and Pharisees yee shall not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven Sect. 42. You express your displeasure to me for saying The Presbyterian