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B00812 A dialogue philosophicall. Wherein natures secret closet is opened, and the cause of all motion in nature shewed ovt of matter and forme, tending to mount mans minde from nature to supernaturall and celestial promotion: and how all things exist in the number of three. : Together with the wittie inuention of an artificiall perpetuall motion, presented to the kings most excellent maiestie. / All which are discoursed betweene two speakers, Philadelph, and Theophrast, brought together by Thomas Tymme, professour of diuinitie.. Tymme, Thomas, d. 1620. 1612 (1612) STC 24416; ESTC S95612 68,496 81

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the earth This place seemeth to import that the soule of man is mortall as is that of the beast whereas you said before that the soule is a substance immortall which I verely beleeue yet I pray you open vnto me the meaning of Salomons words Theophrast You must know that Salomon in those words speaketh not of the reasonable and vnderstanding Soule which can neuer die but liueth in expectation of the felicity to come which Soule S. Stephen yeeldeth and commendeth into the hands of God which being so is also free from all torment and paine I say he speaketh not of this Spirit but of that Aierie spirit which serueth to ioyne Soule and Body together during this transitorie life Salomon was not ignorant of the difference betweene these two Spirits and therefore he speaketh of two returnes answerable to them both and to their originals namely of the reasonable Soule to God which gaue it and the naturall Spirit which is common to man and beast alike passeth to aire againe but whether of them passe vpward or downward liuing and breathing in like mixture of aire cannot be discerned by the externall and common sense Philadelph This is a most wonderfull misterie that an essence simple incorporate and immortall as is the soule should be knit to a compound bodie and that Nature so farre vnlike should be brought to such conueniencie and familiarity during their continuance together Theophrast It is indeede a wonderfull worke of God that these three body soule and spirit should be so conioyned in vnity that the soule cannot separate it selfe from the body when it list nor keepe backe it selfe when the time is come to goe to the Creator All passages are shut vp when it is commanded to abide and all the parts are set open when it is appointed to depart And being departed out of the body it liueth still not as it did in the corporall and transitorie body which retained it by breath in the ayre and by an equall mobility which is proper vnto it being subtill swift and eternall It seeth heareth and toucheth and vseth the rest of the senses after a more effectuall manner then afore hauing an intelligence and iudgement not imperfect and in part as afore but knowing all things wholy and spiritually Therefore because it is a simple pure and vncompounded essence it cannot die Hereupon Iustine Martir saith the spirit neuer dieth for death can but touch that part which is animated by the spirit but the soule being the originall and fountaine of life cannot die For that which is animated is one thing and the soule animating is another thing Philadelph Doe you not know that in the Scriptures the soules of the wicked are said to die and that there is often mention made of eternall death how can this be seeing the essence of both those spirits as well of the one as of the other is alike immortall Theophrast Albeit in the Scriptures the soules of the reprobate are said to die it is not to be vnderstood as touching the essence and quality of the soule but in regard of the miserie thereof being forsaken of God and cast out of his presence in whom all happy and blessed life consisteth is left to it selfe in desperation and torments of Hell where it liueth still in essence and substance in vnspeakeable miserie and woe which is a continuall liuing death euer dying and yet neuer dead abiding for euer and euer in that second death with the Diuell and his infernall spirits are you not wearie Philadelph of this long discourse We haue sufficiently according to the manner of Philosophers debated of these things and it is now time to take our dinner if therefore you please to keepe me company you shall be very welcome to my house where in the after-noone we may haue further conference Philadelph I thanke you and doe gladly accept of your courteous offer and the rather because I desire to be enformed further in some things which depend vpon that which hath beene already in question THE AFTER-NOONES CONFERENCE CHAP. I. Philadelph ARistotle beside Matter and Forme whereof hath beene already spoken appointeth Heauen as a third principle to be the procreatour of these but forasmuch as there are diuers Heauens I would gladly learne the distinctions of their motions according to their seuerall Orbes I pray you therefore describe them vnto me Theophrast Astronomers and some Diuines doe deuide the naturall Heanens which were made out of the more noble part of that Chaos or first matter into the number of eleuen euery one being placed in their seuerall degrees one aboue another Whereof the first is a fixed and immoueable Heauen created the first day and was then repleate with holy Angels This Heauen is a body most subtill the first foundation of the world and the greatest in quantity This Heauen as saith Peter Lombard is that which Beda and Strabo call Coelum Empyreum that is to say a fierie Heauen not because any thing is there burnt or consumed but because of the fierie light with the which the same is illuminated And S. Ambrose and Basill are of the same opinion also The second Heauen is the first moueable which maketh the daily motion from the East towards the West returning againe into the East in 24. houres regularly that is no swifter at one time then at another without wearinesse or paine And by that motion this Heauen earrieth with it all the inferiour Heauens This motion is made vpon the poles of the world and this Heauen hath in it no starres The third Heauen is also voide of Starres and is carried about with a double motion The first is according to the motion of the first moueable the second is his owne proper motion from the West towards the East vpon his owne proper poles in two hundred yeeres one degree and 28. minutes This Heauen is called Christaline because it is cleare and transparent It is also of some called the waterie Heauen The fourth Heauen is called the Firmament which is adorned with innumerable Starres These haue no motion by the motion of their Heauen This Heauen hath a triple motion The first is from the East toward the West according to the motion of the first moueable vpon the poles of the world and is finished in the space of a naturall day The second motion is contrary to the first and is from the West toward the East according to the succession of the signes at the motion of the third Heauen in 200. yeeres one degree and 28. minutes The third motion is the trembling motion by which the fourth Heauen is moued vpon two small circles whose poles are the heads of Libra and Aries of the fift Sphaere and the Semidiameter of their circles is foure degrees 18. minutes and 43. seconds This motion is called comming and going The fift Heauen is that of Saturne who moueth himselfe in his circle making reuolution once in 30. yeeres The sixt Heauen is the Sphaere