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A dialogue by way of question and answer concerning the deity all the responses being taken verbatim out of the Scriptures.
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Freke, William, 1662-1744.; Freke, William, 1662-1744. A brief but clear confutation of the doctrine of the trinity.
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had with thee before the world was Mat. 22.44 John 17.24 Father I will that they also whom thou hast given be with me where I am that they may behold my glory which thou hast given me for thou lovedst me before the foundations of the world John 8.57 58. Then said the Jews unto him thou art not yet fifty years old and hast thou seen Abraham Jesus said unto them verily verily I say unto you before Abraham was I AM. Q. 16. You were saying that there are Texts in the Old Testament wherein this great GOD-Angel the Son tells us that he intended to be incarnate pray what are they A. Zech. 12.10 They shall look upon me whom they have pierced Mal. 3.1 Behold I will send my messenger and he shall prepare the way before me and the Lord whom ye seek shall suddenly come to his Temple even the messenger of the Covenant whom ye delight he shall come saith the Lord. Q. 17. Pray what Prerogative do the Scriptures allow this GOD-Angel-Son before other Angels then They say you hold that GOD the Father created this first-begotten Son first and afterwards by him as an instrument form'd all the other Creatures pray what Texts have you to support such an Opinion A. Heb. 1.2 10. GOD hath in these last days spoke unto us by his Son whom he hath appointed heir of all things by whom also he made the worlds and thou Lord in the beginning hast laid the foundations of the earth and the heavens are the work of thine hands Heb. 2.10 Eph. 3.9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery which from the beginning of the world hath been bid in GOD who created all things by Jesus Christ 1 Cor. 8 6.15.-27 28. Col. 1.15 Who is the image of the invisible GOD the first-born of every creature for by him were all things created that are in heaven and that are in earth visible and invisible whether they be thrones or dominions or principalities or powers all things were created by him and for him and he is before all things and by him all things consist and he is the head of the body the Church who is the beginning the first-born from the dead that in all things he might have the pre-eminence for it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell c. John 1.1 In the beginning was the word and the word was with GOD and the word was GOD the same was in the beginning with GOD all things were made by him and without him was not any thing made that was made he was in the world and the world was made by him and the world knew him not he came unto his own and his own received him not Q. 18. But pray what Authority have you to call the Son a GOD-Angel as you do You us'd to say that there is a Text where the Son as GOD is said also to have the Angels for his Fellows if there be such pray let us see it to satisfie us in what you do A. Heb. 1.4 Being made so much better than the Angels as he hath by inheritance obtain'd a more excellent name than they for unto which of the Angels said he at any time thou art my Son this day have I begotten thee and again I will be to him a Father and he shall be to me a Son and again when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world he saith and let all the Angels of GOD worship him and of the Angels he saith who maketh his Angels Spirits and his Ministers a flame of Fire but unto the Son he saith thy throne O GOD is for ever and ever a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom thou hast loved righteousness and hated iniquity therefore GOD even thy GOD hath anointed thee with the oyl of gladness above thy fellows Rev. 8.3 5.6 7 14.2 Q. 19. I see then that 't is this Prerogative of Christ that makes you think him call'd the only begotten Son of God so eminently as expressed John 3.16 c. but have you no Texts that declare Christ came to this very intent into the World incarnate to redeem his Creation that fell by Adam besides John 1 c. before A. Heb. 2.9 10. But we see Jesus who was made a little lower than the Angels for the suffering of death crown'd with glory and honour that he by the grace of GOD should taste death for every man for it became him for whom are all things and by whom are all things in bringing many sons unto glory to make the captain of their salvation perfect thro' sufferings John 6.62 Rom. 5.18 19. Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life for as by one mans disobedience many were made sinners so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous 1 Cor. 15.21 22. For since by man came death by man came also the resurrection of the dead for as in Adam all die even so in Christ shall all be made alive Eph. 4.10 Q. 20. What you believe then that the great GOD-Angel Christ was reduc'd as to the first semen of an humane Soul when incarnate and so lost all his former power by it but pray what Texts have you to prove it A. Heb. 5.7 8. Who in the days of his flesh when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death and was heard in that he fear'd tho' he were a Son yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffer'd John 17.2.18 20.21 14.31 John 12.49 For I have not spoke of my self but the Father which sent me gave me a Commandment what I should say and what I should speak Luke 22.43 And there appeared an Angel unto him from heaven strengthning him Mat. 27.46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cryed out with a loud voice saying Eli Eli lamasabachany that is to say my GOD my GOD why hast thou forsaken me Mat. 26.39 And he went a little further and fell on his face and pray'd saying O my Father if it be possible let this cup pass from me nevertheless not as I will but as thou wilt Mat. 26.53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father and he shall presently giâ—â— me more than twelve legions of Angels John 11.41 42. Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid and Jesus lift up his eyes and said Father I thank thee that thou hast heard me and I know that thou hearest me always but because of the people which stand by I said it that they may believe that thou hast sent me Q. 21. But had not Christ all the glory of his pre-existent state restor'd him after the Resurrection Pray what say the Scriptures John 17.5 And now O Father glorifie thou
me with thine own self with the glory I had with thee before the world was Acts 2.31 32. 3.35 Mat. 28.18 And Jesus came and spake unto them saying all power is given unto me in heaven and earth Acts 2.24 32. 3. 15 26. 13.32 33. 16.28 1 Pet. 3.22 Who is gone into heaven and is on the right hand of GOD Angels and Authorities and Powers being made subject unto him Eph. 1.20 Which he wrought in Christ whom he raised from the dead and set him at his own right hand in heavenly places far above all Principality and Power and might and dominion and every name that is nam'd not only in this world but also in that which is to come Q. 22. But pray have you any Texts of Christ which by a Multitudinary or Ubiquitary Power given him shew him to have been more than the Socinian 's meer Man on his Resurrection A. 2 Cor. 13.5 Examine yourselves whether ye be in the faith prove your own selves know you not your own selves how that Jesus Christ is in you except ye be reprobates Mat. 18.20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name there am I in the midst of them Eph. 4.10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens that he might fill all things Mat. 23.37 Phil. 2.11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of GOD the Father Mat. 28.18 Q. 23. I perceive then that you take it for granted that as Christ had all power restor'd to him so he must have been made more than a Man to have possess'd it and so also that his being preferr'd before the Angels is a sure Argument that the Sociuian sense of him as a meer Man is not true but pray give me an account also why you call him the Son of GOD so often and so eminently in Scripture A. Acts 13.32 33. And we declare unto you glad-tydings how that the promise which was made unto the Fathers GOD hath fulfilled the same unto us their Children in that he hath raised up Jesus again as it is also written in the second Psalm thou art my Son this day have I begotten thee Rom. 1.4 Heb. 1.4 Luke 11.35 2 Pet. 1.17 For he receiv'd from GOD the Father honour and glory when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory this is my beloved Son in whom I am well-pleased Heb. 1. Q. 24. But what say you to the Text Phil. 2.6 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus who being in the form of God thought it not robbery to be equal with GOD. A. Ver. 7 8 9 10 11. in Context following tell us But made himself of no reputation and took upon him the form of a servant and was made in the likeness of men and being found in fashion as a man he humbled himself and became obedient to death even the death of the cross wherefore GOD also hath highly exalted him and given him a name which is above every name that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow of things in heaven and things in earth and things under the earth and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of GOD the Father And therein is the Equality in the universal Deputation according to what is said in the Text before Q. 25. But have you no other Texts to give colour to such an interpretation and to shew all absolute power in GOD the Father only A. Mat. 20.23 And he saith unto them ye shall drink indeed of my cup and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with but to sit on my right hand and on my left is not mine to give but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father Barely to forgive sins the Apostles had power as well as himself Mark 13.32 But of that day that is of Judgment knoweth no man no not the Angels which are in heaven neither the Son but the Father Surely Christ was as careless in speaking as the Trinitarians are corrupt in Commenting if this Climax can possibly admit a Coequality of Father and Son 1 Tim. 6.15 The Apostle speaking of the same day says Which in his time he shall shew who is the blessed and only Potentate the King of Kings and Lord of Lords c. Acts 1.7 And he Christ saith unto them it is not for you to know the times or the seasons which the Father hath put in his own power Q. 26. But there is another Text that presses hard upon you for an answer Mat. 28.19 Go ye therefore and teach all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost Pray what other Scriptures have you to explain that A. 1 Cor. 12.13 For by one Spirit are we all baptiz'd into one body whether we be bond or free and whether we be Jews or Gentiles and have been all made to drink into one Spirit c. ver 27. Now ye are the body of Christ and members in particular 1 Cor. 10.2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea Q. 27. But what say you to the worshipping of Christ which the Scripture mentions Have you any Texts that limit the manner of it I mean when not personally present to us for then as at St. Stephen's death and as he is a Sovereign Lord of all 't is not to be disputed but that there is an extraordinary honour due to him A. Rev. 5.9 c. And they sung a new song saying thou art worthy to take the book and to open the seals thereof for thou wast slain and hast redeem'd us to GOD by thy blood out of every kindred and tongue and people and nation and hast made us unto our GOD Kings and Priests and we shall reign on the earth and I beheld and I heard the voice of many Angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand and thousands of thousands saying with a loud voice worthy is the Lamb that is slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and strength and honour and glory and blessing and every Creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea and all that are in them heard I saying blessing honour glory and power be unto him that sitteth upon the throne and unto the Lamb for ever and ever Q. 27. I perceive then that by this you take the honour done to the Lamb or Christ to be but an honour given him by the Father but what say you then to 2 Cor. 13.14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of GOD and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all Have you any parallel Text to shew that these words are not a worship to the Son