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presence_n of_o a_o earthly_a king_n â—…y_v in_o his_o presence-chamber_n whether_o the_o king_n be_v in_o it_o or_o no_o whether_o he_o be_v in_o his_o regal_a robe_n of_o majesty_n or_o no_o doubtless_o the_o king_n servant_n will_v shrewd_o assront_v and_o sound_o rebuke_v and_o beat_v that_o malapert_n ill_o breed_v fellow_n for_o so_o slight_v their_o king_n and_o dread_a sovereign_n and_o no_o body_n will_v pity_v he_o or_o take_v his_o part_n but_o they_o will_v rather_o say_v he_o deserve_v it_o very_o well_o and_o more_o too_o for_o his_o malepartness_n in_o such_o a_o place_n and_o why_o forsooth_o shall_v it_o not_o be_v the_o same_o with_o we_o know_v christ_n to_o be_v real_o and_o personal_o present_a in_o the_o sacrament_n if_o we_o shall_v refuse_v to_o give_v he_o his_o due_a adoration_n there_o unless_o mr._n de_fw-fr rodon_n think_v that_o more_o honour_n ought_v to_o be_v do_v to_o a_o earthly_a king_n then_o unto_o christ_n the_o lâ—…per_n adore_v he_o say_v lord_n if_o thou_o will_v thou_o can_v make_v i_o clean_o s._n matth._n 8._o and_o yet_o he_o see_v not_o his_o glory_n and_o matth._n 9_o do_v not_o a_o certain_a governor_n approach_v to_o he_o and_o adore_v he_o say_v lord_n my_o daughter_n be_v even_o now_o dead_a but_o come_v lay_v thy_o hand_n upon_o she_o and_o she_o shall_v live_v the_o like_a recount_v the_o same_o evangelist_n in_o his_o 14_o chap._n 20_o and_o 28_o and_o s._n mark_v in_o his_o 5_o all_o which_o adoration_n be_v do_v to_o christ_n by_o divers_a while_o he_o be_v in_o his_o patible_a state_n without_o she_o wing_v they_o any_o glimpse_n of_o his_o glory_n but_o according_a to_o the_o mounsieurs_fw-fr principles_n all_o these_o adorer_n aught_o to_o be_v count_v but_o for_o extravagant_a fellow_n because_o they_o adore_v he_o without_o show_v they_o his_o glory_n but_o to_o speak_v the_o plain_a truth_n the_o proper_a effect_n of_o heresy_n and_o heretic_n be_v to_o be_v undutiful_a and_o uncivil_a both_o to_o god_n and_o king_n which_o make_v i_o the_o less_o wonder_n at_o mr._n de_fw-fr rodons_n first_o proposition_n the_o second_o part_n whereof_o because_o it_o make_v nothing_o against_o we_o i_o pass_v by_o therefore_o our_o catholic_n tenet_n against_o mr._n de_fw-fr rodon_n be_v that_o although_o external_a adoration_n towards_o god_n be_v not_o obligatory_a by_o reason_n of_o his_o ordinary_a presence_n neither_o for_o his_o extraordinary_a remote_a as_o he_o be_v in_o the_o just_a presence_n also_o yet_o where_o we_o believe_v and_o know_v he_o to_o be_v particular_o and_o personal_o present_a as_o we_o believe_v he_o be_v in_o the_o sacrament_n there_o we_o say_v we_o be_v oblige_v to_o adore_v and_o worship_v he_o with_o external_a adoration_n though_o he_o show_v we_o none_o of_o his_o glory_n in_o it_o which_o tenant_n i_o think_v be_v sufficient_o prove_v and_o demonstrate_v out_o of_o the_o precedent_n plain_a passage_n of_o scripture_n even_o now_o allege_v by_o i_o where_o these_o 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