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A67836 An apology for Congregational divines against the charge of ... : under which head are published amicable letters between the author and a conformist / by a Presbyterian : also a speech delivered at Turners-Hall, April 29 : where Mr. Keith, a reformed Quaker ... required Mr. Penn, Mr. Elwood ... to appear ... by Trepidantium Malleus ... Trepidantium Malleus. 1698 (1698) Wing Y76; ESTC R34116 83,935 218

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wondered that such a Blunderer should be such a Blusterer 2. That I have heard from Good hands and his Son yet alive knows the truth of it That Fifty Ministers who knew Dr. Crisp and his Doctrine here set themselves against him These were no Arminians sure but Calvinists Baxterianism if conceiv'd was not then come to the Birth Did not these Fifty Orthodox Men break the Heart of this Doctor However I doubt not This Plea or Covering is too thin for Dr. Crisp was no Fool. For those who acknowledge his Piety It is well observ'd by some the Power of Grace That a Man should have so many Poysonous Principles continually about him and yet not corrupt his Vitals Whether he declin'd long before he dyed I meddle not with I wonder if it were not so Others plead But did not Luther himself and other Divines use Expressions as bad No. He call'd Christ indeed Maximus Peccatorum which I will not censure nor justify and be sure I never will as I never did use such a phrase tho imputatione tantum he clapt to it The worst words I ever find Luther to use and wonder the Papist that mention other things do not this Coll. Mensal The best Book bearing his Name I ever saw yet this great Flaw Were I as our Lord God and should the World despise my Son as they do his I would set it on Fire O vile supposition and desperate Talk For what Kellison and other Jesuits charge on him that Luther should say Si non vult Vxor veniat Ancilla it may be justified If a Confessour charge a Wife not to Lye with her Husband or to yeild him due Benevolence because a Protestant or Heretick abominable if the Wife will not Cohabit if She will depart let her depart saith Paul I leave no Man in Bondage Let the Maid be made the Wife and Mistriss too The Story of Galeacius Caracciolus is too well known and the Judgment of the Divines he consulted to be mention'd here Others plead Oh Dr. Crisp got me out of my Legal Spirit c. 1. Were you ever in that Spirit you call thus If so 2. Were you not got out too soon Was not the wound skin'd over that should have been more searcht and heal'd 3. Hath he gotten some Men that thus talk out of their Lying Spirit or Dead Spirit What a horrid shame is it for Men to make a Noise I cannot sit under such a Mans Preaching he is no Gospel Minister And yet be found in Notorious untruths telling Lyes so Contradictory for a Crispian and against their Accusers I could be very particular were it meet to talk with such pieces of Impudence who like Men in Bedlam think the Spectatours to be what they themselves indeed are 4. Some plead But Dr. Crisp doth confess That if a Man lead a vitious Life after his Eccho c. He is not a believer I know he doth thus acknowledge but yet I was greatly furprised to see 1. How faintly he comes to such Assertions as a Man that must say so rather then would 2. He knew had he not so done he had past for an Old Gnostick or an Arch Ranter and no more need to be said 3. Yet I pray Let us reason together If Faith be such An Eccho of the Soul Answering the Call I come without any change in Man and this must not be tryed by the Word for it is a disparagement to the Spirit to be so try'd the very Dregs of Quakerism I am sure if a Man know he hath given that Eccho I profess I cannot see but he may be a Debauchee after and be loved by God with a Complacential Delight as before the Eccho given and yet all well Now having consider'd the best or chief Pleas I could ever hear for the Doctor I will ask his Advocates a few Questions What think you of those that shall say 1. That it is a comfortable thing to hear that unconverted Men may come to God as a Reconciled God! I care not to name particular Persons for Reasons I have more than once given in some Books but I am ready to prove if occasion be Others 2. That they were never guilty of Sin nor condemn'd by the Law and being ask'd Whether they never confess Sin answer No When they are in a good Frame Others when diswaded from worldly business on a Lord's Day say Christ bath kept the Sabbath for them c. 3. Can these find their way to Heaven Not the old one and if their own new one will do as they conclude let them not be too confident till they see the end of it These and such as these are the Men I would ferret out of their Holes my Work lies not with Men a little leavened for I question not the Piety of many call'd Antinomians who know not the depths of Satan nor the natural Consequence of their Opinions tho very corrupt How common is it in the Country for some Preachers to tell the People Sirs God loves you as much with a Complacential Love when in your Whoredoms and other Sins as the Saints when praying or performing any Religious Duty Is it indeed the Pride of Min's Heart to deny God to be the Author of Sin must your own learned pious Brethren be ready to wring their Hands to hear such Stories proved upon Men of Repute But because it is often pleaded that God loved the Elect before Conversion with a Complacential Love for it is impossible God should hate at one time and love at another the same Person if he do he is a changeable God And here we are often told what Dr. Twisse said about this That Justification was an Imminent Act in God c. I shall omit what others have said about this particularly Mr. Williams in his Gospel Truth stated and vindicated a Book magnified by the Athenian Club by my worthy Friend Mr. Giles Fermin now dead a sound Calvinist and others How as we all the Snake in the Grass as an unanswerable Piece against the Quakers not for Passages mistaken of others which prove him to be better acquainted with the History of the Quakers than Presbyterians and other Dissenters I justifie not this Gentleman for such he is in his Deportment as much as becomes a Minister and no more a happy hit in his Particularities but in his main Design Is not the Contexture curious the Notions deep the Arguments solid and the whole a work of Art I vindicate his censure of Dr. Crisp his Extravagancies Are base little Stories a Reply They who have thrown dirt in his Face have daubed their own Hands What a shameful thing is it for London Ministers who should be a good Example to us in the Country to be worse than we That they cannot contend about a Cause but they must seek for little false Tales to revile the Persons an Error on all Hands I declare I think once is enough to answer the Doctor his Harrangues and