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A17000 A require of agreement to the groundes of divinitie studie wherin great scholers falling, & being caught of Iewes disgrace the Gospel: & trap them to destruction. By H.B. Broughton, Hugh, 1549-1612. 1611 (1611) STC 3882; ESTC S105815 59,597 104

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that your Q. hath rare regard of scholers Br. I will endevour to give you brieflie the summe of this booke frō Iohns speach in his owne native maner his Visions for the time praesent and to come The first speech of Iohn sheweth how the Sonne hath received frō the Father a revealing of the Churches case vnto the last iudgement and resurrection and Iohn the Disciple whom the Lord loved is talked with by an Angell and spoken too by Christ And Iohn exclameth what goodnes cōmeth from this revelation that it maketh the Reader happie and he commendeth the worke to seaven Churches of the Lande of Gog where Iewes were scattered by the Macedonians the farthest Westward of their dispersion and were fit instruments to save vs poore heathen towards Sun set as afterward he made our poore coūtrey the ends of the earth the possession of Christ The blessing from the holy Trinitie the Eternall our God the Eternall is most heavenly and the acclamation of glorie to the Sonne from Fs 4. and Exod 19. warning of his iudgement when the second time he commeth in the cloudes as he came Dan. 7. to take manhood and from Zacharie his owne Gospell he teacheth Rome that pearced him handes feet and side that they shall see a Revenger And the Eternitie of the Sonne is manifest in that he is Agr and ω. the beginning and the end who is who was and wil be the Almightie Now he commeth to tell the opportunitie of the Visions He was banished into Patmos a small Iland neare Ephesus recorded onely but by name of Heathen obscure for any further storie Into this as out of the world Iohn of whom the world was not worthie was banished God turning Domitians tyrannie into a blessing that this desert Iland should have the state of the whole world set open Rabbi Elias Certenly this must be a strang blessing of God I am much bent to hear your speach and I consider the Law-giving how it was in the wildernes where none but Gods own should be partakers And as at the West of the Arke as at Sunne-setting of state the Dearest and last-borne Tribes were set Ioseph and Beniamin in Ephraim Beniamin and Manasses to shew that the Lord doeth stretch his power to the furthest off So I deeme that in the furthest quarters of our dispersion West-ward as before Ephraim Beniamin and Manasses GOD would stirre vp his strength and come and helpe vs. Thus farre I can goe after you have drawe me on Br. The basenes of this Iland hath a further signification to teach that the obscure places shall most have the glory of God As all men be wicked naturallie and one pricketh forward another so a great Citie such as Aristides the Rhetor Sophister maketh Rome will soone become a world of wickednes But Patmos now telleth that the Church shal be in the wildernes as in chap. 7. it is not evident by open shew but as in Ierusalem vnder Sedekias Ezek 9. when an Angel sealeth them which belang to God so of vs heathen an Angell sealeth them that bee his when the open face of the Church was gone and the Dragon head and tayle driveth the Church into the wildernes and the beast compounded of Daniels foure once dead and revived but of purple colour and having a Rider a Woman in scarlat drunk with the blood of the Sainctes this drove the Church into the Wildernes through a fea of troubles mixt with fire and fagot Rab. Eli. I admire these visiones and cannot gainsay them Br. The time is more wond●●full then the place Rab. What terme have yee of the time Br. The Lords day Rab. What day is that Br. The first day of the weeke Rab. And why is the Sabbath altered Br. I will tell you large matter brieflie The first day Elohim the adviser and worker of the worldes frame made heaven with the Angels and Earth and Light and the Angels the morning Starres who confirmed by feare and tremblinge their strength which in wisedome and holines was not so perfect but that they might fall these starres showted to see the earth hange in the middes of the ayer and the Waters drawen to their chanels and the roaring Sea threatening to drownd the Lande returning from the shoare as by Gods checkes so when they saw the Cloudes fastened in the skie and all workes that way they showted No lesse at Sunne Moone and Starres and plantes trees hearbes at Foules from Eagle to Wren and fish from Whale to shrimpe and beastes with Crepers from Elephant to Antes they glorified God the creatours Hearing a voice saying Let this be and it stood Now when God the Creatours the Father Sonne and holy Ghost was to make Man that should have knowledge of the Eternal Trinitie he dwelling in light that none can come too speaketh Let vs make man according to our likenes and let them be Lordes over beastes fish and foules and God made Man after his owne image and bringeth all beastes and foules before Adam and he giveth them names expressing their nature as wisely as Angels could And seeing that it was not good for Adam to be alone hee maketh Eue out of his Ribbe and then carieth both into Paradise and giveth commaundement to both in the singular number as they were one flesh Rab● You in the endes of the earth search the Law exactly It must needes be holden that the Woman was made before the Law was given As shee telleth the meaning to be of both ye shall eat of all the trees of the Garden but of the tree of knowledge of evill and good ye shall not eate for the day ye eat of it yee shall die All this was the sixt day And before this commaundement was given God gave his Angells care over man as you hold them spirites sent foorth to minister for them that shall inherite salvation Great armies of Spirites not reverencing so fully as they should Gods counsell though when Man was made they were very good as all creatures yet great armies of millions being left vnto their owne sway hated mans superioritie and kept not their standing but became of poysonfull hatred against God and by leave went into the serpent and deceaved Eua before shee was called Eve and she drew the man to sinne and about time of Eating they ate the tree fruite Generally all tree fruites be MELA Apples And at the Evening God called them to iudgement and pronounceth Eternall cōdemnation against the Devils and all the wicked that shal be borne of that poyson that the serpent breathed into Eve and not regenerated by water of Law and spirit moving vpon it which spirit ye truely say to be the spirit of Christ This sad storie fell the sixt day And then is the promesse that one shall come to be a man according to the kinde whose footesteps and handes Satan the old serpent shall pearce but he shall bruse all his power and destroy his workes The
blindeth you doubtles ye goe into the fire which ye have kindled and ye shall lye downe in panges Obiect not ô Iewes our dissent where our generall consent might save you And thus much for your generall accusation of our disagreement where ye are vnexcusable for most grosse crossing of knowen trueth Now I will come to the particular difference which you obiect of our Creede for Catelthein eis haidou Of descent to HELL Twentie opinions saith the Iew yee haue touching the Descent to HEL as your selfe in writing haue charged our soile schollers And what religion can be in your New Testament seeing articles be so vncerten I will touche them which are knowen to fight openly with you Sebastian our Preacher of Hanaw told your self to your face in our towne that you were against all Churches And when Marpurge printed a Thesin in these wordes against you Quidem autumat descendere ad inferos in sacro Symbolo idem esse atque ascendere ad Coelos quod nos non credimus Maister Isaac Genius told that Lavater our Scholemaister sayd to the Grave he also would write against you And Iohn Lucas of our Hanow telleth how when he brought you from the Badens sick to Geneva full fore against your will because you had warning of their bent for defending the text of scripture to be pure where one Beza spent sixtie yeares to prove it most corrupt and to finde a miraculous difference in copies Iohn Lucas tolde often how they vsed you when you first went frō your chamber to salute the Professours A small professour sayde Oh you are against our Calvin you say that to Descend to HEL is to goe vp to Heaven And what a further coile they kept you have printed all in Latin Iohn Lucas sayde The Syndique and two Senatours gladlie heard three whole houres your opinion of our Iewes petition and how by Thalmudiques you meant for him to cleare all your New Testament and how the Syndique gaue you leaue with Gods blessing to print what you would and how the next day 30. strange studentes by the Syndiques consent sent one D. Goldastus to request you to professe in Geneva and presently to shew him how without Chaldie studies the new Testament could never be vnderstood But presentlie after you had bestowed three houres discours with the Doctour the Senat sent you word what a Plot the schollers layd to kill you and how he offred you 300. french Crownes to goe presently away with the Scottes Now what religion can be in men of this bent And for Hanaw we heare that you printed here vppon Dan. 9. a double helpe to Calvin One for Beroaldus against Scaliger the other for IESVS passage from the Crosse to Paradise by all Greekes that to catelthein eis haidou meaneth that in speach of all godly But when you shew how Geneva refusing all armies getting a sure victorie turne God and all men against them then Hanovians kept a Saracene coile and moved the Grave not to goe forward with Princes promises for that great allowance which you expected to teach vs in Hebrew your Gospell we were in hope that you might haue saved our whole Companie till these strange dealings of your strife weakened vs to cast off all opinion of Christianitie Answere Twentie opinions are in deed all springing frō one root of bitternes the Latin phrase Descèndere ad inferos The Greeke Symbolon is no lesse cleer then the brightnes of the Sunne I will open that and then all wil graunt that the Latin and all translations must meane as the originall doeth afterwards I will come to Lavater Marpurge Geneva Hanaw and shewe consent of all sides to me Of immortalitie taught by the Greeke article and the ground of an happy common weale Iapheth taught his sonnes soules immortalitie and that by death they shall goe hence to God where place of ioy shall ever holde the good and place of torment the bad The common name to both is haides a place vnknowen And the Heathen of most auncient time made haides to haue two partes Leimonas that is florishing places of the Godly and Tartaron a iayle of the wicked So God and all soules are in Haides And to the holy Haides is Heaven To the other HELL Leonidas King of Spart when with few hundreths hee fought against verie many thousandes of Parsians hee encouraged his Souldiours thus Dine with a valiant courage O Lacedaemonians We shall Suppe in Haides This he made the whetston of valour that he who dieth for his Countrey should have in Haides a sure Lodge of Heaven as Tully translateth that word Agreeable to that Plato the Eloquent would haue it taught as the foundation of a good common weale that Haides hath place of Eternall ioy for the iust and valiant and such as die for their Countrey and place of Eternall woe for the evill and cowardes that will rather flee away then die for their Cittie Sophocles is most noble in this kinde in verses cited by Iustin Martyr and by full many after him Him I have cited vpon Iob. And that all soules goe to Haides from Homers dayes all kindes of Greekes holde that and many great volumes would not conteyne all their testimonies And after that God had by the Macedonians conveighed the Greeke tongue to the Indianes Strabo recordeth that the very Indianes beleeved of Haides as the Graecians did And the Macedonian Greeke vsually termed Heaven Haiden as Portus Dictionarie telleth And our Lordes Prayer from Math. cap. 6. in vulgar Greeke for the borous saieth Our Father which art in Haides And Sainct Luke in his Attique style bringeth the tormented in Haides talking to Abraham assigning no other place for him And no Greeke ever denyed Abraham to bee in Haides And we Christians holde him wicked and godles that would make Saint Luke senseles All who bring men speaking one to an other must looke that the Reader will infer they bee neare and otherwise holde the writer a lier And any Eloquent Heathen would sweare that Sainct Luke placed Abraham in Haides and in ioy And he maketh the word Catelthein most certen that it meaneth Permeare to passe vnto not to goe downe but as the situation of the place may inferre inferioritie Now then by Sainct Lukes Greeke Catelthein eis Haidou must meane a passage for the holy to Heaven So in this article we professe against Epicures with Plato and all sage Heathen that Soules are immortall and that the happy go Hence to an happie Lodge and that all wee holde all everie one Platoes ground Tullies ground of a good common weale that the sure recōpence is in Haides And that Kings should not persecute such Teachers but hold them the profitablest subiects who teach iustice and all fortitude in high sorte that the iust dying for mans good the soule returneth to Haides to God only wise good to an vnseene and pure place All that know Platoes greek would swear the Pēner of this article was so