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A14399	Concerning the excommunication of the Venetians a discourse against Cæsar Baronius Cardinall of the Church of Rome In which the true nature and vse of excommunication is briefly and cleerly demonstrated, both by testimonies of Holy Scripture, and from the old records of Christs Church. Written in Latine by Nicolas Vignier, and translated into English after the copie printed at Samur 1606. Whereunto is added the Bull of Pope Paulus the Fift, against the Duke, Senate and Commonwealth of Venice: with the protestation of the sayd Duke and Senate. As also an apologie of Frier Paul of the order of Serui in Venice.; De Venetorum excommunicatione, adversus Caesarem Baronium. English	Vignier, Nicolas.; Sarpi, Paolo, 1552-1623. Apologia per le oppositioni fatte dall'illustrissimo & reverendissimo signor cardinale Bellarminio alli trattati, et risolutioni di Gio. Gersone. English.; Baronio, Cesare, 1538-1607. Duo vota. English.; Catholic Church. Pope (1605-1621 : Paul V); Venice (Republic : to 1797). Doge (1606-1612 : Donato)	1607 (1607)	STC 24719; ESTC S120778	41,133	78

nations contained therein It was said vnto him Kill and Eat because it was necessary that euen they should come vnto the Church What is heere Baronius that concerneth that Office of killing By this voice and this vision Peter is commanded to go vnto the Gentiles and feed them with the holesome and liuely food of the Gospell This is with you to kill and slay And happily for this cause you take that good course not to preach the Gospell lest thereby you might become murtherers or rather indeed lest the people hating the poison of your traditions do hunger after the bread of life But this is your maner to interpret Scriptures vpon which you stand so much which you learned of the great professor of your schoole and Doctor of the chaire he I meane who in the desert detorted and wrested as you are wont to do the Scriptures Matth. 4. in his disputation with our Sauiour Such one was Boniface the 8. of whom the saying goeth He entred as a fox De Maior obedien Vnam sanctam raigned as a lion and died as a dog who would proue that the Pope had right to both the swords Spirituall and Temporal out of the Euangelicall writings forsooth Because when the Apostles said Here are two swords the Lord did not answer his Apostles speaking in the Church Heere it is too much but it is inough Certainly whosoeuer shall denie that the temporall sword is in the power of Peter he regardeth but little Gods word which saith Put vp thy sword into thy sheath Gen. 1.16 De Maiorit Obed. C. solitae And Innocent the 3. by a place of Genesis doth as soundly proue that the Imperiall maiestie is in subordination to the Pontificall You should saith hee haue considered that God made two great lights in the firmament of Heauen the greater light to rule the day the smaller light to gouern the night both great but one greater than the other In the firmament of heauen that is the vniuersal Church God made two great lights that is appointed two estates royall the Pontificall authoritie and Regall power but that is the greater of the twain which is appointed ouer the day that is ouer spiriall things that the lesse which hath iurisdiction in carnall that wee may know there is as great difference betweene Kings and Popes as there is betwixt the Sunne and Moone Distinct 22. sacrosancta In like sort Anacletus if * Gratian say true proued the Primacie of Saint Peter out of that place where hee is called Cephas that is an Head and Beginning which Etymologie euen * Bellarmine applaudeth Lib. 1. de Roma Pontif. c. 17. who affirmeth that Cephas is an head in Greeke 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 whereas Cephas is not a Greeke but a Syriak word which as himselfe auerreth signifies a Rocke And the same Bellarmine that Captain Iesuite out of the selfe same place which you produce Kill and Eat concludeth that Peter is Head of the Church drawing his argument not as you do from the word Kill but from the Commandement Eat For saith he It is the heads duty to eate Bella. lib. 1. de Rom. Pontific c. 22. Barom Tom. 1. Annal. Eccles and so by eating to transmit the meat into the stomack and so to incorporate it to it selfe And your * selfe elsewhere do bring this proofe to make the vse of shrining the reliques of Saints within the Altars Apostolicall because in the sixt chapter of the Reuelation the soules of such as were slaine for the Gospell are said to cry from vnder the Altar But who is not acquainted with such Iuglers trickes what man will take their counterfeit glasse for true pearle Remember Baronius that I may returne vpon your self an allegory that the Chamelion a beast which as they say liueth by the aire is numbred with such * as be vncleane Leuit. 11. Allusion to the speech that Emperor Fumum habet qui fumum vendidit B and that vaine man blowen vp with wind who selleth nothing but smoke is semblably vncleane in the eyes of God But to proceed To feede the sheepe is with care to watch ouer the faithfull c. And is it true indeed Baronius is the office of feeding to be confined only to the faithfull and obedient Christians and is this your will to haue all refractarie and stubborn ones led into the slaughter whom happily you instile Lions for that you feare the Lion the armes of Venice Esay 11.6 But Esay prophecied otherwise of Christs Kingdome The Wolfe shall dwell with the Lambe and the Leopard shall lie with the Kid and the Calfe and the Lion and the fat beast together and a little child shall lead them The Cow and the Beare shall feed their yoong ones shall lie together and the Lion shall eat straw like the Bullocke the sucking child shall play vpon the hole of the Aspe and the weined child shall thrust his hand into the Cockatrice hole Then none shall hurt nor destroy in all the mountaine of mine holinesse Wee deny not but Pastors are to stand against the refractarie and the disobedient but with what armes Spirituall not Carnall For as Hierome once sayd of heresie Ieron in prooe● lib. 4. in Ieremiam Heresie is to be cut off with the sword of the Spirit let vs strike thorow with the arrowes of the Spirit all sons and disciples of misled Heretiques that is with Testimonies of holy Scripture The slaughter of Heretiks is by the word of God So wee say and iudge of all other vices For the Church hath no such warrant as to vse the sword of the Ciuill Magistrate or bring in within her liberties politicke punishments the offices of the Ciuill and Ecclesiastical Magistrate being as Christ teacheth Matt. 20. things of diuers natures You know That kings of Nations rule ouer them but with you it shall not be so And the reason is for that the Church is the seruant of Christ no otherwise then as Christ is the Sauiour of the faithfull But Christ to procure the saluation of them neuer vsed himselfe nor permitted his Church to vse the sword of the ciuill Magistrate And this is that if I mistake not which your selfe in prosecution of your allegories adde That such killing must not be but with great charitie c. For all that we do or can conclude from hence is this and no more that this killing of the stubborn and disobedient is done by Excommunication which is a spirituall and wholesome remedie Which to grant wee must first consider lest we erre in ambiguitie of wordes What excommunication is 2. By whom it may be executed 3. Vpon whom to be inflicted 4. For what causes it is iust 5. From what communion they bee barred 6. Which bee the ends of Excommunication that any man by these grounds may determine what is to be iudged of the Excommunication of the State of Venice of which you intreat

doe with his owne mother sister gossip or kinswoman gross 5. Absolution for him that hath killed his father mother sister brother or other of his kin if he be a lay man for were any of them a Clergy man the murtherer must be tied to visit in person the Apostolick sea gross 6. or 7. at most Absolution for a woman which hath taken downe any potion whereby to destroy the Infant conceiued within her gross 5. Not to runne vpon particulars no sinne so enormous but with mony may be wiped out without mony no remission For as the old rhythme hath it The Court of Rome but for the fleece Seekes not the sheepe at all Opening the doore to all that giue But th● emptie stand and call Or if you had rather heare the Taxing of the Apostolique Chancery thus saith that booke Note you diligently that such graces and indulgences be neuer granted vnto poore men who because they are not cannot be comforted These are not those times you shall know wherein it was easier for a Camell to passe thorow the eie of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdome of Heauen But these are golden daies indeed in which Heauen is purchased by gold and shut against the poore man because he hath no gold to buy it To the purpose Papall Excommunication is commonly grounded vpon these or such like causes Priuate Hatred The Popes Credulitie or else Ambition Paschall the Second Pope of that name when Henrie the Fift Emperour Elect came as the manner was to Rome to receiue the Imperiall Crowne of the Popes hand raised such hurlies against his Prince as put him to stand vpon the guard of his life and brought him to the hazard of his State When matters were taken vp and pacified and the Emperour and Pope agreed together the Pope gaue his word not to assay to doe ought which any way might preiudice the Imperiall Maiestie secondly to returne backe againe the right which they had in bestowing of Bishopricks For farther confirmation of which protestation when hee receiued the Sacrament with the Emperor hee is said to haue vsed this execration Let him so be diuided from the Kingdome of Christ that shall go about to break this agreement as this part of that life-giuing body is diuided And yet for all this scarse had the Emperor gone out at the City gates when as the faithlesse and treacherous Pope reuersed whatsoeuer hee did before cast Excommunication out against the Emperour and set new worke in hand against him A●bas Vrsperg in P●●lippo Innocent the 111. dealt as sluttishly with the Emperor Philip denouncing him Excommunicate for no cause else but for pretence of his Predecessors cruelty And when the newes was brought him of the mans election to the Empire hee brake out into these franticke and bedlome speeches Either shall the Pope take Crowne and Kingdome from Philip or Philip from the Pope his Apostolicall honor It is impossible to summe vp into a breuiarie the froward and tyrannicall Popish designs and practise against Emperours and Kings Princes and Magistrates only two examples shall be all I will touch which both euince his great abuse of Excommunication and touch the Venetians more neere than any else discouering the long since practised tyranny of the Popes against them At Auinion where it was for 70. yeeres and more Pope Clement the fift who kept his Court * in France vnderstanding the Venetians had taken in Ferrara presently vpon the newes became stark mad and without delay thundred out his Excommunication against them giuing leaue vnto any man by faire meanes or soule to kill as many as hee could Pabel Lib. 7. Decad. 9. beeing now iudged enemies of the Romane church and cast forth from the communion of the faithfull Supplementum Chronichorum giuing libertie vnto all Christians whosoeuer to arrest the Venetians wheresoeuer they met them to confiscate their goods sell their bodies as slaues in the markets which turned so farre vnto their losse and detriment that the State could not trade nor negotiate with any strangers at all till at length Francis Dandalo being sent vnto France from the Senate vnto the Pope and with much adoe admitted vnto his presence putting an iron chaine vpon his necke lay vnder his table as a suppliant so long till he got this vngentle Clement to yeeld to let fall his moodinesse and restore the Venetians to their former state For which hee was after that called the Dogge because as a dogge he lay chained vnder the Popes dining table The second example is of Pope Sixtus the Fourth who proclaimed warres against the King of Naples for helping Hercules of Este Duke of Ferrara against the Venetians whom the Pope did abet in that quarrell with his spiritual and temporall forces Platina in vita Sixti 4. But after their agreement with King Ferdinand the same man with the power of Appulia set vpon the same Venetians whom he before had fauoured and not content stirred vp against them the Princes of Italie as many as hee could Supplementum Chronicorum sentenced them with his Spirituall curse depriued them of all their whatsoeuer Dominions to the vtmost extent of his power Neither in his life time could they obtaine to be released hauing not any cause or pretext for his doings more than that hee feared their growing too great would put himselfe and other Italian Princes to haue cause to looke neere vnto themselues This was in his time a most holy Father Petro à Ruuiere Ioan Textor Wessel Gron de Indulgent whose base borne sonne a worthie Impe of such a Sire Peter Cardinall Priest of Rome Patriarch of Constantinople Legat a Latere for the Pope prodigally stantinople Legat a Latere for the Pope prodigally lauished in two yeeres space 300000. duckats in luxurie and vaine expenses who also together with the Cardinall Saint Lucy interceded with his Father for themselues and their families to haue male stewes permitted them the three hottest moneths of the yeere and had a grant from that most holy Father Sixtus with this clause Be it vnto you as you desire But it will be replied It is a new world now and other manners are now in vse And this new world begun and hallowed with their Iubilies not at Rome alone but euerie Hamlet and Village vnder Romane obeisance hath brought vs new causes of Excommunication But pardon mee The grounds vpon which the Venetians bee excommunicate are not any whit better than those wee haue rehearsed For neither is I trow the State of the Romish religion in hazard there whereto the Venetians are most zealously inclined nor yet that obedience due as they call it to the Apostolique Sea from which they professe and protest vnto the world they detract not any thing which is theirs by diuine right Neither is it any question of manners after which though neuer so corruptly depraued the Pope makes no inquisition at al. 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