of the Sacrament as before is proued in the former question Mat. 26. 26. Take eate this is my body Luk. 22. 19. This is my body which is giuen for you Answ 1. I haue before proued that these words are spoken in an vsuall Sacramentall phrase figuratiuely and not properly Secondly they cannot be spoken but figuratiuely because Christ himselfe spake these words He willed them not to eate his naturall body which body was visible before them Had he his owne body in his hand and euery one of his Twelue Apostles the same in their mouthes then were there thirteene bodies of Christ at one time at the table twelue in their hands and mouthes and one sitting apparantly before their eyes One body cannot be in so many places at once as before I haue proued And what a little body must this be which Christ held in his owne hand which he did breake and which euery of the Apostles did put in their mouthes Thirdly The words must needs bee figuratiuely vnderstood now if we consider the time when Christ spake them to wit before his Passion when as yet his body was not giuen nor his bloud shed Fourthly Christ spake figuratiuely when hee deliuered the shop Mat. 26. 28. Then why more properly in the one then in the other Fiftly The end of Christs instituting this Sacrament shewes it to bee figuratiuely spoken For it was for a remembrance of him Luk. 22. 19. But if this vpon the words of consecration had beene his very owne bodie it could not be called properly a remembrance of him for wee remember by signes things absent and not things themselues present for so the signes were needlesse 1. Cor. 10. 16. The cup of blessing which we blesse is it not the communion of the bloud of Christ The bread which wee breake is it not the communion of the body of Christ 1. Cor. 11. He that eateth and drinketh vnworthily eateth and drinketh iudgement to himselfe not discerning the Lords body Answ 1. Here is no proofe for transubstantiation but that the Bread is Christs body and the Wine his bloud by the receiuing whereof wee receiue Christs very body and bloud But how Sacramentally spiritually by faith and such as come not prepared to this holy Sacrament as they ought eate and drinke vnworthily not making a difference of this bread and wine representing Christ from common bread and wine or a common banquet which is a grieuous sinne All this wee doe acknowledge neither doe we deny the bread to be the bodie of Christ or the wine his bloud but yet euer in a Sacramentall speech figuratiuely and not properly For if the signe be the very thing signified indeed then were there no Sacrament for it is an outward signe of an inuisible grace Now there being as is proued no transubstantiation then it followes that there is no adoration of the Sacrament in that respect nor therein offered any vnbloudy sacrifice for the quicke and the dead XXV Proposition That prayers are to be made vnto Angels and Saints departed Confuted by their owne Bible 1. FOr Angels their owne Bible telleth vs that the Angels themselues forbid worship to be done to them Reu. 19. 10. and 22. 9. And so Saint Paul taught that they should not be worshipped Col. 2. 18. Now prayer to them is worshipping of them and that in a great degree Secondly for Saints departed the Virgin Mary or any other they are not to bee prayed vnto for they know not our particular estates here Abraham hath not knowne vs and Israel hath beene ignorant of vs Esa 63. 16. The dead know nothing more Eccles 9. 5. Iob. cap. 14. 21. speaking of the dead saith Whether his children shall be noble or vnnoble he shall not vnderstand How vaine is it then to pray to them Touching either Angels or Saints their Bible alloweth vs not to pray vnto them I. It teacheth euery where wheresoeuer there is either a commandement to pray or an example of any holy man of God praying that the same is made vnto God For commandement Psal 49. 15. Inuocate me in the day of trouble who is very ready to heare Esay 64. 24. Mat. 11. 28. Come vnto me saith Christ and promiseth them that come vnto him that hee will not cost forth Iob. 6. 37. Iames saith Aske of God chap. 1. 5. There is no commandement to pray to any other in all the Scripture For examples Abraham called vpon the Name of the Lord so Isaac Iacob Moses Iosua Samuel Dauid and all the rest No instance can be giuen to the contrary in either precept or example II. The Apostles desired to be taught to pray Luk. 11. Now Christ in his perfect forme of Prayer taught them and in them all vs to pray aright And it is against praying to Saints and Angels in the Preface Our Father which art in Heauen First this is against all Shee Saints for we cannot call the Virgin Marie nor any woman-Saint Father Secondly this is against all Angels for they bee not our Fathers but Fellow-seruants as they confesse Reuel 19. 10. Thirdly this is against all Hee-Saints departed for they be our Brethren and in Heauen but one Father Matth. 23. 8 9. In the Petitions which Christ willeth vs to pray for they cannot be made to any of them We cannot say to them Hallowed be thy Name Thy Kingdome come Thy will be done in Earth as it is in Heauen Can we say to them Giue vs this day our daily bread Forgiue vs this day our trespasses Leade vs not into temptation but deliuer vs from euill In the conclusion for may wee ascribe to them and say Thine is the Kingdome the power and the glory for ouer Amen Now if we cannot aske of them these things nor ascribe to them kingdome power and glory without horrible idolatrie and sacriledge then either Christ taught not sufficiently in this Prayer to whom and what to pray for or else if he did then no Saints or Angels are to be prayed vnto III. Their Bible maketh onely Christ the meanes betweene God and vs For first it telleth vs but of one Mediatour One God and also one Mediatour of God and men 1. Timoth. 2. 5. Who this one is it also telleth vs euen the Man Christ Iesus 1. Timoth. 2. 5. And further teacheth that he is our Mediatour both of redemption Heb. 9. 12. and of intercession Rom. 8. 34. Heb. 7. 25. neither doth their Bible make any other Mediatour in either of these respects vnto God for vs saue Iesus Christ alone Secondly their Bible telleth that no man commeth to the Father but by Christ Ioh. 14. 6. Thirdly that we haue a promise to be heard if wee aske the Father in his Name Ioh. 16. 23. Fourthly that Christ foreshewed that his Disciples should aske and pray his Father in his Name Ioh. 16. 26. Fifthly their Bible exhorts vs therefore to goe to him Heb. 13. 13. to offer vp our prayses and so our prayers by him Heb.
erre in this way hee doth not say The Church or the learned Church men or men in holy Orders for are these fooles but wayfaring men though fooles shall not erre Here is a promise that the simple Laytie shall not mistake their way which Popish Teachers cannot abide to heare of Neither shall any vncleane passe ouer this way but they teach that their Church Catholike consists of elect and reprobate both good and bad cleane and vncleane Therefore in a spirituall sense the words are to be vnderstood of the onely sanctified by Gods Spirit here trauelling in this World as wayfaring men and though esteemed as fooles yet are so guided in their holy profession as they shall not bee suffered to wander out of the way of life neither totally nor finally But he will say If these shall not erre then much lesse shall the Church True who denies it we doe not say that all the whole Church and all the holy that euer haue been such as this place speaketh of haue all erred this thousand yeeres as the Gagger beares his Reader in hand making him beleeue that we so teach Here the Prophet speakes of the Lords redeemed separated from the vncleane in a spirituall estate in and by Christ but in our dispute we speake of the visible Church of cleane and vncleane good and bad and of a mixt company III. This verse and the whole chapter speakes in the first place of the returne from Captiuitie which the Prophet doth expresse in figuratiue speeches to set out the comfort thereof most liuely and so it is nothing to the purpose for which the Gagger brings it In a high sense it sets out the spirituall happinesse of the redeemed by Christ partly here begun and fully to be perfected in the day of the Churches perfect redemption IV. It speakes not here of the Churches teaching but rather of the Saints trauailing towards Heauen But the word not erre made the Gagger thinke he had obtained his purpose and an expresse text for not erring in Doctrine when the words speake of a way a high-way of trauailing men and others not passing ouer it and of the redeemeds walking vers 9. Then being vnderstood of not erring in life it cannot be taken absolutely for error of life is in the best but they erre not to finall destruction Ephes 5. 27. That hee might present it to himselfe a glorious Church not hauing spot or wrinkle or any such thing but that it should be holy and without blemish Answ 1. Our dispute is of the visible Church and mixt company this is to be vnderstood only of the body whereof Christ in the most proper sense is the Head and Sauiour vers 9. which hee nourisheth and cherisheth vers 29. betweene whom and Christ thereis such an vnion as it is called a great Mystery vers 32. which cannot properly be meant of visible Churches consisting not onely of Elect but also of Reprobates who are not clensed nor nourished or cherished as members of his body nor made euer glorious II. The Apostle speakes heere of the Church either as triumphant or if as militant then as it is in preparing and as it shall bee hereafter in Heauen for in this life it is not altogether spotlesse without wrinkle or blemish Cant. 1. 5 6. III. This place doth serue rather to prooue her puritie in life then infallibilitie of iudgement in teaching this latter is hence farre fetched the former may seeme more apparant But will any beleeue that Gods Church for life and conuersation is in this life without spot wrinkle or blemish 1. Tim. 3. 15. The Church of the liuing God the ground and pillar of truth Because this place is much vrged by others and the last of this Gaggers I will more fully make answer vnto it Hence hee would conclude that the Church cannot erre he meaneth the Church of Rome the Pope at least the virtuall Church for they defend not now any Church from errour but their owne But this they can neuer proue out of the place I. Saint Paul wrote to Timothy how he should behaue himselfe in the Church 1. Tim. 3. 14. So his Epistle that is the Apostolicall written Word was made to be Timothies rule to guide him from erring and not the Churches determination S. Paul for all this his praise of the Church sent him not to Her but prescribed him a written Word to direct him in gouerning of her which hee would not haue done if by calling the Church the pillar and ground of truth he had meant she could not haue erred II. Saint Paul speaketh thus of the then present Church of Ephesus where Timothy was chap. 1. 3. built vpon the foundation Ephes 2. 20. and yet she soone left her first Loue Reuel 2. 4. and after fell away III. The word Church comprehendeth all the faithfull together at Ephesus so the Church of Ephesus is taken Reuel 2. 1. But our Aduersaries will not haue the people as the Apostles allowed Act. 15. 22. with their Bishops and Pastors to be the Church and with them to approue of matters of Faith For the Romish Clergie thinke of the people as did the hypocriticall Pharises that they know not the Law and are cursed Ioh. 7. 49. Except they allow the people also with the Teachers to be the pillar and ground of truth this place doth not serue their turne IV. If the word Church bee taken for any other particular Church to which Timothie as an Euangelist might goe after the Apostles planting of them then from hence the Papists cannot conclude that which they would for first they acknowledge that particular Churches may erre Secondly its euident by Scripture in the Churches of Galatia Gal. 1. and 3. 1. and 4. 10 11. by historie and by experience Now the Church of Rome was neuer other then a particular Church in the best spirituall estate thereof Saint Paul writes to it no otherwise then to a particular Church V. If it be taken for the Vniuersall Church this helpes not them For first theirs is not the vniuersall but a particular Church as is proued after in the sixteenth question Secondly it is absurd to reason from that which is not questioned nor can euer assemble together to come to the triall if it were questionable VI. The intituling of the Church to bee the pillar and ground of truth wil not afford the conclusion of not erring and that for these Reasons First because the words are metaphoricall and a similitude must be extended no farther then is in ended Now the Church is called the pillar and ground not because shee cannot erre but first for that she hath the Apostles writings committed to her as were the Oracles of God to the Iewes Rom 3. 2. which Apostles writings are saith Irenous the pillars and supporters of our faith the proofes foundations Li. 3. ca. 1. and the grounds of our cause as Saint * De vnit Eccl. ca. 16. On this 1. Tim. 3.
when hee liued on the earth Thirdly if but so what is this to proue that Saints then and so now doe know euery mans estate particularly and what passeth here vpon earth Ioh. 5. 45. There is one that accuseth you euen Moses Answ 1. By Moses is not meant his person but his writings among them as the verses 46. and 47. doe declare Secondly it is absurd to make the Saints in Heauen accusers Papists will haue them Intercessors whose propertie is not to accuse in any sort but to pray for them which pray to them Thirdly Christ saith they trust in Moses Will a Saint in heauen bee so displeased with them and so faile them that trust in him that hee will goe and accuse them vnto God Such then become miserable Patrons Doth their Legend afford any such examples Fourthly Christs saying that they trusted in Moses must not be vnderstood of his person but of his writings For the Iewes did not beleeue in man A curse as is before deliuered they knew to be pronounced against them which trusted in man Reu. 12. 10. The accuser of the brethren is cast downe which accused them before God day and night Answ In the former they make Moses an accuser of some and so in that respect a companion with the diuell heere Is not this a wise Gagger But how can they proue hence that Saints in Heauen know what is done here Because the diuell knowes what euils are here done A goodly reason But doe not wee know that the Diuell is here on earth that hee compasseth the earth to and fro Hee stirres vp Dauid to number the people hee is author of much mischiefe hee must then know many things And will it hence follow therefore that soules which remaine continually in heauen must know what is here done in earth 2. King 6. 12. Elisha telleth what words the King of Syria spake being farre from him So 2. King 5. 26. Elisha saw what passed between Naaman and Gehezi 1. Cor. 12. Saint Paul was rapt vp into the third Heauen Act. 7. Steuen in earth saw Christ in heauen Answ 1. These places tell vs that these things were so Let them bring vs Scriptures which will affirme as much of the soules in heauen heere seeing things in earth and we will beleeue But this these places proue not Secondly these were extraordinarie reuelations and giue no warrant of ordinarie knowledge In such things from extraordinarie acts to ordinarie is no sound arguing For the Prophets did not know all things Elisha knew not the cause of the Shunamites comming 2. King 4. 27. nor Samuel when he went to lesse his house whom God would chuse 1. Sam. 16. 6. Thirdly all these are instances of knowledge in men on earth of things done on earth or of things which being on earth they saw in heauen but not a word what those in heauen saw here vpon earth which is the onely point in question The Gagger quoteth moe places As Mat. 19. 28. But this is nothing to purpose And the place is meant of all appearing before Christ at the last day whom the Apostles shall then see Reu. 2. 26. 1. Here is a promise accomplished in Christ See D. White his last booke p 309. 310 311 312. in answer to this as also to Reu. 3. 12. 1. Cor. 13. 9. 5. 10. not cited by the Gagger Psal 2. in whom the Saints haue this power See Augustine Beda and many other cited by Fulke on this place for this sense Secondly this is to bee vnderstood of the Saints power ouer those out of the Church For here they are to bee ruled with a rodde of iron and to be broken in pieces But the Saints departed Papists make Protectors of others and not breakers of them to shiuers Act. 5. 3. This was an extraordinarie manifestation of Ananias his hypocrisie to Peter If they can proue that God doth reueale mens actions here to Saints in Heauen wee yeeld 1. Sam. 28. 14. Here is the Diuell appearing in Samuelt likenesse what hence this Gagger will gather for Saints knowledge in heauen I know not III. Scriptures obiected that Saints departed doe pray for vs particularly answered Reu. 5. 8. The 24. Elders fell downe before the Lambe hauing euery one of them Harps and golden Vials full of odours which are the prayers of the Saints Answ 1. This was in a vision and traunce and the words allegoricall and therefore cannot bee the ground of Doctrine of faith Secondly here is not meant the Saints departed but these foure and twenty are the type of the whole Church here on earth verse 10. Thirdly these prayers of the Saints which Saints are on earth chap. 8. 3. may be the prayers of the foure and twenty Elders themselues yet called the prayers of the Saints as if they were the prayers of others First for that these represent the whole Church verse 9. which consists of Saints Secondly because a Church or Congregation of people gathered together pray not onely for themselues but for all the Saints of God and so their hearts here being as Vials full of the grace of Prayer as it were odours are esteemed the prayers of all Saints Fourthly Tho. Aquinas Rich. de Sco. Victore Haymo Beda and other doe expound this place of the Church militant 2. Mach. 15. 14. Then Onias answered c. Where he telleth how Ieremy prayed for the people Answ 1. This is an Apocryphal Booke Secondly this speech of Onias touching Ieremies praying was but Iudas his dreame For it is said in verse 11. that he told the souldiers al this as his dreame to encourage them to fight It is weake architecture to build vpon a dreame doctrines of faith Thirdly neither did Iudas much regard the helpe of Ieremies prayer For in the same Chapter hee himselfe did pray verse 21 22 23. but intreated not Ieremy to pray for him but made his suite onely to God Ier. 15. 1. Though Moses and Samuel stood before me c. Answ 1. These words are spoken onely by way of supposition as if God had said If Moses and Samuel were now before mee as they were when they liued on earth praying for these people I should not regard them Is it good reasoning from a suppositiue speech to a reall act indeed Secondly they themselues say that all the Fathers that were before Christ were in Limbus Patrum and so could not know our affaires in particular to pray for vs. Baruch 3. 4. Heare now the prayers of the dead Israelites Answ 1. This booke is Apocryphal Secondly were not these in the place called Limbus Patrum How could they then see all things in the face of God from whose presence they were kept Thirdly heere is mention of the prayers of dead Israelites but not for whom they prayed It is not said they prayed for others on earth They might pray for themselues in Limbo Fourthly by dead Israelites are not here to bee vnderstood such as were departed
no condemnation saith Paul Rom. 8. 1. For by Gods grace are wee iustified gratis by redemption that is in Christ Rom. 3. 24. and hee hath set vs free Ioh. 8. 36. free from sinne both in respect of the guilt as also of punishment Else how are we free Are Gods workes imperfect 2. Cor. 5. 1. Wee know that if our earthly house of this habitation be dissolued that we haue a building of God an house not made with hands eternall in heauen Saint Paul speakes of himselfe and of all true Christians in this word wee of whom he saith that after death they haue their house for euer in heauen hee puts no lodging or Inne of Purgatory betweene And in the tenth verse of the same Chapter hee saith that at the last Day euery one is to receiue as hee hath done in this bodie So whilest man liueth here in bodie and not as hee suffers in soule in Purgatorie is hee considered Heb. 10. 14. By one oblation hath hee consummated for euer those that are sanctified Note here 1. That Christ hath made an oblation for his 2. That this is but one 3. That this one Col 2. 13 4. 1. Ioh. 1. 7. hath consummate and made his perfect 4. And that for euer So as in verse 17. it s said that their sinnes and iniquities I will now remember no more And will he yet punish them in Purgatory Will he cleanse them from all sinne pardon all offences not imputing sinne Rom. 4. 8. and yet will he exact a satisfaction It s vnreasonable to thinke it 1. Thes 4. 17. Where the Apostle speakes of those aliue at the last Day to be onely changed and so taken vp to Christ All the elect at that time shall escape Purgatorie or it may bee it will then be blowne out or it and hell turned into one Ephes 1. 10. Here the Apostle speaketh of perfecting all in Christ in heauen and in earth Note how hee here onely mentioneth two places in which those be who haue benefit by Christ those in Heauen and in Earth The Apostle forgot them which were frying in Purgatorie If Saint Paul had beleeued such a place where hope of Saluation had beene would he haue left those soules comfortlesse Reu. 14. 13. Blessed are the dead which dye in the Lord for they rest from their labours Where rest is there is no torment It were small comfort to thinke this to be spoken of the body for so beasts and beastly men rest Also to vnderstand it of the soule that it rests from the feeling of temptations to sinne and from feare of damnation and yet to be in hellish torments for sinne they not knowing how long What a rest may this be called Let them shew where the word rest is ascribed to any and that they are blessed and doe rest while they be in flaming torments Thus the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 henceforth pointeth at the present transition to blessednesse Math. 16. 19. and 18. 18. Here is mention of the Churches power to loose on earth but not in Purgatorie except Purgatorie be on earth Not Peter nor the Pope hath any power allowed by Christ from these Scriptures to meddle with any binding or loosing of any after death but onely in this life Note this you Papists which rest so much on the Popes power and helpe of friends after death Luk. 23. 43. The good thiefe went forthwith into Paradise which is heauen 2. Cor. 18. 2 4. So Lazarus into Abrahams bosome Luk. 16. 22. Both escaped Purgatorie the one vnder the Law and the other vnder the Gospell In all the old Testament there was no sacrifice ordained for soules of the departed When Aaron offered incense it was onely for the liuing to pacifie Gods displeasure towards them but not for the dead Numb 16. 48. Wisd 3. 1. The soules of the iust are in the hand of God and torment shall not touch them So doth Montanus translate truely according to the Greeke text But in Purgatory is torment and therefore iust mens soules are not in Purgatory for they are in peace ver 4. What can bee more direct against their Purgatorie Hee that desires more Scriptures according to our translation let him reade a booke intituled Ignisfatuus where are alledged out of the Old Testament Ezech. 18. 22. Esai 57. 1. Eccles 12. 7. Psal 32. 1 2. Psal 51. 7. Esai 53. 4. Leu. 1. 3 6. Out of the New Testament 1. Ioh. 1. 7. Heb. 1. 3. 1. Tim. 2. 6. Heb. 10. 14. Rom. 6. 23. 8. 33. 5. 1. Reu. 14. 13. 2. Cor. 5. 1. Col. 1. 20. Gal. 6. 8. Ioh. 9. 4. 2. Cor. 4. 17 18. Mar. 11. 25. Col. 2. 13. Mat. 6. 12. Ioh. 10. 18. Gal. 5. 22. All which places are vrged in forme of reasoning Contraried by Antiquitie The booke of questions and answeres at the end of Iustine Martyrs workes saith in quest 75. thus After the soules are departed out of the body the soules of the good are carried into Paradise the soules of the wicked into hell And in quest 60. it is said that men after the departure of the soule out of the bodie cannot by any prouision care or study get helpe or succour Cyprian against Demetrian saith This life being ended wee are diuided into the euerlasting lodgings of death or immortalitie Ierome on Amos 9. The soule loosed from the bands of the body shall bee carried to hell or be lifted into the heauenly habitation Greg. Nazianzen in Epitaph Caesar fratris saith that euery good soule fearing God freed from the body presently enioyeth admirable pleasure Austin de vanit Tom. 9. c. 1. When the soule parteth from the bodie she is instantly placed in Paradise or headlongly cast into hell and in lib. 5. of his Hypognost he saith A third place wee know none neither doe we find any such place throughout the holy Scriptures Ambros cap. 2. of his book of the profit of death saith When the day commeth wee goe assuredly to our Father Abraham c. and although our workes faile vs marke this yet our faith may secure vs. The Greeke Churches to this day beleeue no Purgatorie See Master Moulin his Buckler of Faith pag. 214. 219. citing Chrysostome Lactant. Hilarie Victorinus Austin Ambrose Origen Greg. Nazianz. and Basile touching soules departed Gainesaid by their owne men Espencaeus in 2. Tim. pag. 144. saith Euery soule after the dissolution of the body doth enter into an vnchangeable estate Leo Decr. part 2. Consecr 33. dist 1. cap. 49. saith That which a man in his body receiueth not being vncloathed of his flesh he cannot obtaine Lombard 3. D. 19. saith of such as are in Christ that they are so deliuered that after this life there is not any thing to bee found to be punished Bishop Fisher called Roffensis against Luther Art 18. confesseth that in the ancient Fathers there is either none at all or very rare mention of Purgatorie Greg. on Iob lib. 13. cap.
Answ 1. Howsoeuer the profound wisedome of the Gagger makes this euident yet Bellarmine graunts it to bee a darke Scripture and there indeed is not a more obscure text wherein most Expositors are to seeke and hardly can finde to giue themselues satisfaction herein And therefore being in sense darke and doubtfull is not a sufficient proofe in a Controuersie Secondly this so euident a place with the Gagger for Purgatorie the Rhemists could not see to note it nor Lyra nor Thomas nor Hugo de Sancto Charo a Cardinall nor their Glosse nor Caietan much lesse Saint Chrysostome nor Ambrose nor Haymo nor other moe some expounding it one way some another but not of Purgatorie nor of any such thing as may iustly inferre Purgatorie Thirdly the scope of the place is to proue the Resurrection of the dead and not Purgatorie for it is said If the dead rise not at all why are they baptized for the dead Now for them to expound baptized afflicted and afflicted to signifie fasting and praying for the dead and that for those in Purgatorie it is farre from prouing the Apostles scope and the Resurrection from the dead Fourthly whatsoeuer the sense of baptized for the dead may be First it is cleare that here by dead is vnderstood the dead in graue whose bodies were to rise againe and not of soules in Purgatorie Secondly if baptisme here should be afflicting yet to bee baptized for the dead is to bee taken not actiuely for such as baptize that is as our Aduersaries here expound doe afflict themselues but passiuely for such to be afflicted by other Thirdly this reason which the Apostle vseth seemeth to be such a thing as was well knowne and so forcible to perswade to beleeue the Resurrection as the same words are in this one verse twice mentioned But how can our Aduersaries proue that men to afflict themselues by fasting prayer for the dead was so well knowne and practised then in the Church And yet if so how proueth it the Apostles Doctrine touching the Resurrection of the dead and the bodies of men to rise out of the graue or that therefore there is a Purgatorie For the Beleeuers mourned for Steuen and made great lamentation ouer him Act. 8. 2. yet proueth it not a Purgatorie nor that Steuen was in it being a Martyr and the first of all other These three things let the Gagger proue before he build his paper Purgatorie on this Text. Fiftly the words for the dead may bee expounded for the hope of the Resurrection of the dead and the word baptized for afflicted and so the words may bee thus read Else what shall they doe which suffer and endure troubles in hope of the Resurrection of the dead if so be the dead doe not rise at all why are they then afflicted for this hope of the dead to rise againe Thus interpreted it is current enough agreeable to the scope and the next verses 30 31 32. seeme to me to confirme this exposition For the Apostle hauing said Why are they baptized forth with he saith Why stand wee in ieopardie euery houre then he telleth of his dying dayly and of his fighting with beasts at Ephesus and all vpon the hope of the Resurrection professing all to be in vaine no aduantage to him if the dead rise not at all So as here the Apostle expoundeth the word baptized to be all one with to stand in ieopardie to dye dayly and to fight with beasts and the words for the dead his certaine hope of their rising againe which aduantageth him in enduring such troubles and afflictions else it were no matter to liue like Epicures and then say Let vs eate and drinke for to morrow we shall dye Thus this place vnderstood remoueth obscuritie agreeth with the scope hath warrant from the stile of the Apostle is a strong reason to perswade that the dead shall rise againe and may satisfie the minde of him that seekes resolution in so manifold varieties of expositions as haue been hitherto made vpon this place Luk. 16. 9. Make you friends of the vnrighteous Mammon that when you shallneed they may receiue you into the euerlasting habitations Answ 1. The Rhemists looking on this place found no Purgatorie but that Saints departed doe pray for vs. Which what is it to Purgatorie Secondly by they is to hee vnderstood the Angels by the euerlasting habitations meant Heauen How the Gagger could picke out Purgatorie hence I see not Surely hee had a great blazing Torch bigger then all Purgatorie fire else could hee not haue seene Purgatorie thorow this darke creuise Luk. 23. 42. Lord remember mee when thou commest into thy Kingdome Hence saith he the good thiefe presupposed that soules might be holpen after death Answ 1. What then Ergo a Purgatorie Proue this For soules are holpen after death when by the holy Angels they are carried into Abrahams bosome Luk. 16. 22. Secondly the good Thiefe prayeth here to Christ for saluation by him as now he was in the world and ready to die and not through feare of Purgatorie to bee deliuered out of it The Gagger must proue that he beleeued a Purgatorie Thirdly Christs answer cleereth this for hee said This day shalt thou bee with mee in Paradise Christ vnderstood him to pray to goe to heauen and not to bee holpen in Purgatorie and therefore promiseth him Heauen that day whither he himselfe went 2. Machab. 12. 46. It is therefore an holy and healthfull cogitation This is as it is in their Bible to pray for the dead that they may bee loosed from sinnes Answ 1. This booke is Apocryphal and so of no force to perswade in a doubted point of faith Secondly here is no word of Purgatorie though we should admit of the place Thirdly in this Verse see Montanus his Bible there is in the originall no mention of praying for the dead but of making reconciliation Fourthly but to yeeld the translation What then Praying for the dead proueth not Purgatorie For the Greekes pray for the dead and yet beleeue no Purgatorie Fiftly they prayed here for the pardon of sinnes and not for freedome out of Purgatorie Sixtly the parties here prayed for dyed in mortall sinne and were guilty of horrible idolatry forbidden by the Law ver 40. but such as so dye goe not to Purgatorie it is a place for veniall and not for mortall sinners as they teach Seuenthly the mouing cause of their praying and making an offering to send to Ierusalem for a sinne-offering was for that they were mindfull of the Resurrection verse 44. and not that they thought these men to be in Purgatorie This rests to be proued Eighthly and lastly it is cleere that the Author of this booke did not dreame of any Purgatorie For hee maketh the ground of praying for the dead onely the hope of the Resurrection affirming the act otherwise to be superfluous vaine verse 44. Tobie 4. 18. Set thy bread and thy wine vpon
actions tending to pietie Or the places vrged are such as speake of mans free-will in spirituall actions and these may bee reduced to three heads First to those which perswade exhort and command men to turne and repent to doe good workes to beleeue loue and obey God To which a full answer is made before to Deut. 30. 19. Secondly to those which speake of men holpen by God in workes of pietie which are to be vnderstood of such as be holpen by Gods assisting grace who haue been prepared before by his preuenting grace Thirdly to those where men are said to be co-workers with God which must be vnderstood of them in whom God hath wrought both the will and deed first for so they worke and God also in them Phil. 2. 12 13. Through Christ saith the Apostle I can doe all things who strengtheneth mee Phil. 4. 13. I liue saith he and Christ in me So they liue together Gal. 2. 20. I labour saith he yet not I but the grace of God which was with me 2. Cor. 15. 10. He labours and grace assisteth him To all these places wee may answer generally thus First that wee doe acknowledge a freedome of will in spirituall things when God hath first wrought it in vs. Secondly that those places alledged of them speake of Gods commanding yea and commending of holy mens willingnesse prayers and holy words good workes but they doe not manifest by what power they so will so pray professe and practise and therefore doe not determine the question in hand Which other Scriptures cleerely doe for vs and against our Aduersaries XXX Proposition That some sinnes are in their owne nature veniall and doe not deserue eternall punishment TO cleere this point and to make their errour euident to all obserue what they hold to be veniall sinnes First all those sinnes and negligences into which through weakenesse vpon euery little occasion men euery houre do fall Secondly all the ill motions of the heart being without full deliberation and consent as the sudden passions of the minde concupiscence anger desire of reuenge and such like so vaine and idle thoughts Thirdly such words as sudden and violent passion without precedent deliberation and intent forceth as in a rage and fury to sweare and curse So cholericke answers for trifles rayling and reproachfull termes To these adde excessiue prating idle talking scurrilous and filthy speaking ribald songs officious lying without damage to a mans neighbour vaine boasting preferring his owne wit strength and beauty before others Fourthly such sinnes as a man committeth against his owne good as to spend his time idly gouerne his estate badly wastfully consuming his goods louing to play at Cards and Dice and to goe to Playes to exceede in apparell eating and drinking with delight of his belly Fifthly sinnes towards others as children disobeying Parents when it is of negligence and sensualitie To steale trifles and things of little value Sixtly such sinnes as bee outward to-moue delight as painting the face or for pastime as scoffing and obscene iests and gestures in Playes and such like in sport Seuenthly such sinnes as are against pietie and deuotion as not to sanctifie well the Sabbath day to fast pray giue almes and to goe to the Church for vaine-glory to confesse sinnes negligently and many other besides all these they count veniall sinnes Heere may we see plainely how it comes to passe that vaine people loue so much that vaine licentious Religion runne to it and continue in it and the reasons are First for that they make such euils as these and many other moe yea some kinde of soule secret euils veniall or no sinnes at all not simply sinnes but imperfectly and onely sinnes in some sort Secondly because they hold and teach that these are not iniurious to God are pardonable without repentance not deserue hell not in strictnesse of necessitie to bee confessed to a Priest neither can God in iustice punish them more then with a temporall punishment Thirdly because that as they teach God doth easily pardon and forgiue these and the remedies prescribed are for the most part very easie which be these the giuing of Almes knocking vpon our brest with some remorse going into a Church receiuing holy water with a deuout motion the Bishops blessing crossing of ones selfe bearing with other folkes defects and froward dealings towards vs confessing our sinnes in generall hearing of Masse deuoutly and to be patient in aduersitie and troubles These things are taught some by one sort some by another sort of their learned men See Vaux his English Catechisme also the mirrour to confesse well and D. Whites Way digress 38. Doctor White his Orthodox way cap. 1. obs 2. sect 3. pag. 28. in quarto who doe produce the Authors which teach these To hold that there are any such sinnes as these or any sinnes at all veniall in their owne nature and not deseruing damnation is the very nursery of fleshly libertie and the high-way to destruction Confuted by their owne Bible First it telleth vs that death is the stipend of sinne not excepting any Rom. 6. 21 23. and pronounceth that the soule that shall sinne the same shall dye Ezek. 18. 20. and that hee is cursed that abideth not in the words of this Law and fulfilleth them not Deut. 27. 26. Gal. 3. 10. making him that offendeth in one to be guiltie of all Iam. 2. 10. and by it also wee learne that deaths sting is sinne 1. Cor. 15. 56. And therefore whatsoeuer is sinne that same is mortall If it bee sinne it is the sting of death and if deaths sting then is it mortall For death doth euer sting deadly Secondly it threatneth death and hell for such sinnes as they count veniall offences seeming very little as in anger to call one foole is in danger of hell fire Matth. 5. 23. and for filthinesse foolish talke or scurrilitie commeth the anger of God Ephes 5. 4. 6. yea we are told that for euery idle word men shall speake they shall render an account in the Day of Iudgement and that as guilty of death Matth. 12. 36. And though our Aduersaries doe hold it a veniall sinne for a man not to husband well his owne estate liuing carelessely and idle yet Christ held it a sinne worthy damnation Matth. 25. 26 27 30. To bee a bragger to be deceitfull to breake a mans couenant to bee without knowledge though they ranke not these among hainous crimes yet deserue they death as we learne by their Bible Rom. 1. 32. Thirdly it telleth vs that for seeming small offences many haue beene fearefully punished as Lots wife for looking backe to haue beene turned into a Statue of Salt Gen. 19. 26. For gathering sticks on the Sabbath day God commanded to stone a man to death Numb 15. 35. and one for blaspheming vpon passion when he was striuing with another Leuit. 24. 10 14. Some of Aarons sonnes for offering strange fire were burnt to death with
fire from heauen Leuit. 10. 1 5. Vzzah of a good intent but touching the Arke was striken dead of God 2. Sam. 6. 7. The Bethshemites for but looking into the Arke were smitten dead to the number of aboue fifty thousand 1. Sam. 6. 19. The Israelites slaine in the Wildernesse 1. Cor. 10. For vnaduisedly speaking yea when it came from a vexed and exasperated spirit was Moses punished Psal 105. 32 33. he was not permitted to goe into Canaan which was a type of Heauen but hee must dye before euen Moses Now whatsoeuer sinne vnder the Law God punished with death or commanded to be punished by death the same without remission deserued eternall death For the first time that death is mentioned it is to bee vnderstood of death temporall and eternall due to all had not there beene a Mediatour betweene God and vs Gen. 2. 17. Fourthly it teacheth that Originall sinne which is lesse then any actuall sinne whether in thought word or deed is punished with death Rom. 5. 12. Now if the reward of this sinne be death then surely much more any other flowing from thence though it seeme to man neuer so small an offence deserueth death as the very consent of the minde to other euill doers among which boasters are reckoned is worthy of death Rom. 1. 32. yea and Commessations which we translate Reuellings wherein too many much delight is a sinne which keepes the doers thereof that they cannot obtaine the Kingdome of God Gal. 5. 21. Fifthly sinnes of ignorance vnder the law Leuit. 4. 2 13 27. had sacrifices appointed to make an atonement to God for them Now all sacrifices for sinne shewed that a man deserued death for euery such sinne Now if sinnes of ignorance deserue death what may all men think of such sins as Papists call veniall before-mentioned plainely forbidden by the Word of God Sixtly to commit adulterie is a mortall sinne but their Bible telleth vs that for one to see a woman to lust after her hath al-already committed adulterie with her in his heart Matth. 5. 28. And can any sinne seeme lesse then concupiscence of the heart suddenly arising by the obiect to the sight And yet Papists make wanton dalliances no sinne or as none in their account Seuenthly it sheweth that it is Christs bloud that cleanseth from all sinne 1. Ioh. 1. Now if euery sinne needs cleansing by his bloud then euery sinne in its owne nature is mortall in that it cannot be cleansed but by his death Contraried by Antiquitie Austin in Enchirid. cap. 79. speaking of sinnes which might seeme small saith They might bee thought very light but that in the Scriptures they are demonstrated greater then wee doe imagine But that the truth speakes it who would thinke saith hee that for a man to call his Brother foole is guiltie of hell-fire The ancient Fathers earnestly exhort to beware of counting any sinnes light or small Basil qu. Contract qu. 4. No sinne is to bee accounted as small for that saith hee it is the sting of death See for this Austin Epist 108. and in Ioh. 11. 13. Chrysost on Gal. 1. Ierome in Epist ad Caelantiam It is very safe to beware of small sinnes as if they were great c. Neither doe I know saith he whether we may call any sinne small seeing it is committed with a kinde of contempt of God And he is most prudent who respects not so much the quantitie of the thing commanded as the dignitie of the Commander See Master Perkins his Demonst of his Probl. of veniall sin and therein many testimonies of the Ancients Gainsaid by their owne men Almaine out of Gerson Moral Tract 3. cap. 20. concludeth that no sinne is veniall of it selfe but onely through the mercy of God Azorius instit Moral part 1. lib. 4. cap. 8. doth maintaine against Bellarmine that veniall sinnes are against the Law Now that which is against the Law is deadly Of this opinion is Fisher Bishop of Rochester and diuers others See the Authors in Doctor Whites Way digres 38. pag. 247. and Bishop Mortons Protest Appeal pag. 646. To passe ouer the oppositions of one against another they all call them sinnes Now euery sinne is the transgression of the Law 1. Ioh. 3. 4. By which we come to the knowledge of sinne Rom. 3. 26. and 7. 7. And if there were no Law there were no transgression Rom. 4. 15. Therefore in confessing veniall sinnes to be sinnes they make them transgressions of the Law and then the Law worketh wrath Rom. 4. 15. and so necessarily through veniall sinnes they are vnder wrath and so sinne mortally euen to condemnation except God in Christ pardon them and that they doe heartily repent pray for pardon and seeke with God reconciliation by Christ Scriptures obiected answered Matth. 5. 25. Whosoeuer is angry with his brother without cause is in danger of Iudgement And whosoeuer shall say vnto his Brother Racha shall be in danger of Councill and whosoeuer shall say Thou Foole shall be guilty of Hell-fire Answ This place proueth not any sinnes to be veniall and not mortall in their owne nature For first this should be against the scope of Christs speech in confuting the Pharises mis-vnderstanding the Law and here in particular the sixt commandement They stucke to the Letter Christ here extendeth the breach of this Law to thoughts and words so making a man by causelesse anger and railing words to be before God guiltie of murder Is this then to make sinne veniall or are not rather those which they conceit to bee veniall by Christ here made mortall if to be guilty of bloud before God be mortall Secondly here is no difference made of sinnes in their nature but onely here is shewed the degrees of sinning and that one offence is greater then another For faine would I know of them how they can distinguish these in nature that anger and calling one Racha should be veniall and to call one Foole to bee mortall Thirdly the punishments here expressed distinguish not the nature of the sinnes but shew the degrees of punishments according as men sinne For as God in mercy will reward mens well-doings with degrees of glory so in iustice will he in hell the damned with degrees of punishment Matth. 10. 15. Fourthly whereas our Aduersaries make Iudgement and Councill temporall punishments for veniall sinnes and hell fire for mortall sinnes taking aduantage by the translation of the word Gehenna First it is cleere that punishments doe not alter the nature of sinnes but being duely executed doe shew onely the degrees of sinne to be greater or lesser and so are they accordingly punished Secondly Papists themselues hold vnaduised anger and words euen tending to blasphemie comming of sudden and vnaduised anger as the word Racha and Foole doe here to be veniall sinnes Therefore they erre in distinguishing the sinnes thus into veniall and mortall which they themselues account to be veniall Thirdly the punishments here mentioned are such