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A reformed catechism. The first dialogue in two dialogues concerning the English Reformation / collected for the most part, word for word out of Dr. Burnet, John Fox, and other Protestant historians ; published for the information of the people in reply to Mas William Kings answer to D. Manby's considerations &c. ; by Peter Manby.
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Manby, Peter, d. 1697.
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if we should grant them their Desires But they are the Legacies of those Testators who have given them to the Church for ever under the Penalty of a heavy Curse imposed on all those who shall any way go about to altenate their Property from the Church And besides if we grant the smaller Abbies to the King what should we do otherwise than shew him the way how in time it may be lawful for him to demand the greater Wherefore the manner of these Proceedings puts me in mind of a Fable how the Ax that wanted a Handle came upon a time to the Wood making his moan to the great Trees how he wanted a Handle to work withal and for that cause he was constrained to sit idle Wherefore he made it his request unto them that they would grant him one of their smaller Saplings to make him a Handle They mistrusting no guile granted him one of the smaller Trees so becoming a compleat Ax he so fell to work within the same Wood that in process of time there was neither great nor small Tree to be found there And so my Lords if you grant the King these smaller Monasteries you do but make him a Handle whereby at his own Pleasure he may cut down all the Cedars within your Libanus And then you may thank your selves after ye have incurred the heavy Displeasure of Almighty God. His Speech concerning many severe Objections against the whole Clergy anno 1529. My Lords HEre are certain Bills exhibited against the Clergy and Complaints against the Viciousness Idleness Rapacity and Cruelty of Bishops Abbots Priests and their Officials but my Lords are all vicious all idle all ravenous and cruel Priests or Bishops Are there not Laws already provided against such is there any abuse that cannot be rectified or can there be such a Reformation that there shall be no Abuses are there not Clergymen to rectifie the Abuses of the Clergy or shall men find fault with other mens manners whilst they forget their own or punish where they have no Athority to correct If we be not executive in our Laws let each man suffer for his Delinquency Or if we have not Power aid us with your Assistunce and we shall give you thanks But my Lords I hear there is a Motion made that the smaller Monasteries should be taken into the Kings hands which makes me apprehend it is not so much the good as the Goods of the Church that are aim'd at Truly my Lords how this may sound in your ears I cannot tell but to me it appears no otherwise than as if our Mother the Church were now to be brought into Servility and by little and little to be banished out of those dwelling places which the Piety Liberality of our Ancestors have conferred upon her Otherwise to what end are those portentous and curious Petitions of the Commons To no other intent and purpose than to bring the Clergy into contempt with the Laiety that they may seize their Patrimony But my Lords beware of Your Selves and of Your Countrey Beware of Your Mother the Catholick Church The People are addicted unto Novelties And Lutheranism spreads it self amongst us Remember Germany and Bohemia what Miseries are befallen them already and let our Neighbours Houses that are now on Fire teach us to beware of our own Disasters My Lords I will tell you plainly what I think that except ye resist manfully by your Authorities this violent Stream of Mischiefs offered by the Commons you shall see all respect first withdrawn from the Clergy and secondly from Your * * This Prophecy was fulfilled anno 1649. when the House of Lords was voted useless and dangerous by the Commons Selves But if you search into the true causes of all these Mischiefs that Reign amongst them you shall find that they all arise through want of Faith. His Speech to the Lords concerning the Kings Supremacy My Lords IT is true we are all under the King's Lash and stand in need of the King 's good Favour and Clemency Yet this argues not that we must therefore do that which will render us both ridiculous and contemptible to all the Christian World and hissed out from the Society of Gods Holy Catholick Church What good will it do us to keep the Possession of our Houses Cloysters and Convents and to lose the Society of the Christian World To preserve our Goods and lose our Consciences Therefore My Lords I pray let us consider what we are doing and what it is we are to Grant with the Dangers and Inconveniences that will ensue thereupon Or whether it lyes in Our power to grant what the King requires at our hands Whether the King be an apt person to receive this Power that so we may go groundedly to work and not like Men that had lost all Honesty and Wit together with their Worldly Fortune As concerning the first point viz. What the Supremacy of the Church is which we are to give unto the King. It is to exercise the Spiritual Goverment of the Church in Chief which according to all that ever I have learned both in the Gospel and through the whole course of Divinity mainly consists in these two points First In Binding and Absolving Sinners according to that which our Saviour said unto Saint Peter when he ordained him Head of his Church viz. To thee will I give the Keys of the Kingdom of Heaven Now My Lords can we say unto the King Tibi to thee will we give the Keys of the Kingdom of Heaven If ye say I where is your Warrant If you say No then you have answered your Selves that you cannot put such Keys into his hands Secondly The Supream Government of the Church consists in feeding Christ's Sheep and Lambs according to that when our Saviour performed his promise to Saint Peter of making him universal Shepherd by such unlimited Jurisdiction feed my Lambs and not only so but feed those that are the feeders of those Lambs feed my Sheep Now my Lords can any of us say unto the King pasce Oves God hath given unto his Church some to be Apostles some Evangelists some Pastors some Doctors for the Edifying of the Body of Christ So that you must make the King one of these before you can make him Head of the Church He must be such a Head as may edifie the Members of Christ's Body and it is not the sew Ministers of an Island that must constitute a Head over the Universe or at least by such example we must allow as many Heads over the Vniverse as there are Sovereign Powers within Christ's Dominion Every Member must have a Head. Attendite vobis was not said to King's but Bishops 2. Let us consider the Inconveniencies that will arise upon this Grant We cannot grant this unto the King but we must renounce our Unity with the See of Rome And if there were no further matter in it then a renouncing of Clement VII now Pope
who had obsequiously applied themselves to her Love Service acknowledging such passages mark this though not sufficient to condemn her as shewed she had made use of the utmost liberty which could be honestly allowed her There was no Evidence against her but the Confession of Smeton and the Calumnies of the Lady Rochfort of which the one was fooled into that Confession by the hope of Life which notwithstanding was not pardoned and the other most deservedly lost her Head within few years after Heylin Hist Reform pag. 264 265. I have added this favourable account out of Heylin to let the Reader see the mistake of that Character which Doctor Burnet gives of him in the Preface to his first volum viz. He being wrought on by most violent prejudices against some that were concerned in that time delivers many things in such a manner and so strangely that one would think he had been secretly set on by those of the Church of Rome c. If ever Heylin were set on to serve the Church of Rome it must be surely in the History of Ann Bolen upon which there is so much depending in reference to the Birth and Title of Queen Elisabeth But the Reader may find him relating her whole Story so favourably I mean this Story of her Misfortunes that Burnet himself could not say more yet whoever compares both Writers shall find I have left out nothing material that may be observ'd here in favour of Ann Bolen Sir Henry Norris was practised with to confess the Adultery says Heylin to which he made this generous Answer that in his Conscience he thought her guiltless of the Crimes objected against her c. and the Lord Peircy took the Sacrament wishing that the same might be his Damnation if ever there were any Contract or Promise of Marriage betwixt her and him Heylin p. 255 256. A. But she justifyed her Innocency in a Letter to the King from the Tower dated May 6. 1536. did she not B. You may find that Letter in Dr. Burnets Records annexed to his first vol. pag. 155. wherein she thus expresses her self But if you have already determined of me and that not only my Death but an infamous Slander must bring you the enjoyment of your desired happiness then I desire of God that he will pardon your great sin therein and that he will not call you to a strict account for your unprincely and cruel usage of me at his general Judgment-seat where both you and my self must shortly appear c. A. What did she say at her Execution May 19. 1536 B. She spoke some words which I am not able to reconcile with that same passage of her Letter A. What were the words B. She prayed heartily for the King and called him a most merciful and gentle Prince and that he had been always to her a good gentle Soveregin Lord She said she was come to dye as she was judged by the Law. She would accuse none nor say any thing of the ground upon which she was judged And if any would meddle with her Cause she required them to judge the best Dr. Burnet 1. vol. p. 205. NOTE In her Letter from the Tower she objects to him his unprincely and cruel usage of her And here at her Death she calls him a most merciful and gentle Prince and that he had been always to her a good gentle Sovereign Lord. I will not say she affirmed at her Death what she did not believe or that she complemented the King as having to the very last some hopes of his Mercy but the Reader may consult Doctor Burnet and try if he can sind ought to reconcile these passages A. Tell us the rest of her Story B. The day before she dyed upon a strict search of her past Life she called to mind that she had played the step Mother to the Lady Mary and had done her many Injuries upon which she desired the Lieutenant of the Towers Lady and with many Tears charged her as she would Answer it to God to go in her name and ask the Lady Mary's Forgiveness for the Wrongs she had done her c. page 204. This ingenuity and tenderness of Conscience about lesser matters this was but a Venial sin perhaps is a great presumption saith the Doctor that if she had been Guilty of more eminent Faults she had not continued to the last denying them NOTE It is a wonder she did not assert her own Innocency upon the Scaffold The Night before she suffered she sent her last Message to the King and acknowledged her self much obliged to him that he had continued still to advance her from a private Gentlewoman to a Marchioness from that to a Queen and now was sending her to be a Saint in Heaven page 204. 1 Vol. A. What were the several Opinions passed upon her B. The Doctor tells you the Popish Party said the Justice of God was visible that she who had supplanted Queen Katherine met with the like measure he means by Jane Seymour Some took notice of her faint justifying her self on the Scaffold as if her Conscience had then prevailed so far that she could no longer deny a thing for which she was so soon to Answer at another Tribunal But others thought her care of her Daughter made her speak so tenderly for she had observed that Queen Katherines obstinacy had drawn the King's Indignation on Lady Mary Therefore she spoke in a stile says the Doctor that could give the King no just offence page 206. He proceeds Some have since that time concluded it a great Evidence of her Guilt that during her Daughters Queen Elisabeths long and glorious Reign there was no full nor compleat Vindication of her publisht For the Writers of that time thought it enough to speak honorably of her and in general to call her Innecent but none of them ever at tempted a clear discussion of the particulars laid to her Charge This had been much to her Daughters Honour saith Dr. Burnet and therefore since it was not done others concluded it could not be done and that their knowledge of her Guilt restrained their Pens But others do not at all allow of that Inference and think rather that it was the great Wisdom of that time not to suffer such things to be called in question therefore it was prudently done of that Queen Elisabeth and her great Ministers not to suffer any Vindication or Apology to be written c. Some Indiscretions saith the Doctor could not be denied p. 207. 1. vel that is 't is confest on all hands that Ann Bolen went to the very brink of Dishonesty A. Is there nothing else of her that is memorable B. King Henry advanced her says Heylin to the Title of Marchioness of Pembroke on the first of September 1532. assigning her a Pension of a Thousand pounds per annum out of the Bishop rick of Durham History of Reform p. 261. The new Queen considering that the Pope