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A41786	The quæries examined, or, Fifty anti-queries seriously propounded to the people called Presbyterians Occasioned by the publication of Fifty queries, gathered out of the works of Mr. Rich. Baxter. By J. B. Wherein the principal allegations usually brought to support infant-baptism are discovered to be insufficient. By T. G.	Grantham, Thomas, 1634-1692.	1676 (1676)	Wing G1543A; ESTC R223637	27,933	56

c. And whether he was not about 30 years when he entred in our Profession Heb. 3. 3. The Apostle and High Priest of our Profession Christ Jesus See Luke 3. And then whether his example be not flat against you Also whether Christs only praying for Infants and not baptizing them though brought to him neither ordering any other to do it that we reade of do not shew us that Infants may be under the blessings of Christ without baptism And whether you may not tremble to presume to do more then he did or appointed to be done Are you wiser then he Also whether it lies within the power of any Minister to disciple an Infant or shew us one Infant with you or any Pedo-baptist ever made a disciple or be pleased to come and make my Infants disciples if you can and I promise you I will assist you what I can in the baptizing them and not only so but do my best to employ you elsewhere I speak it seriously And whether this would not do more to decide the Controversie then all the Books that are written by any of you and if you cannot do this how will Matth. 28. 19. warrant you to baptize Infants sith its plain that discipling goes before baptizing and how disciples are to be made we think it best to learn of Jesus John 4. 3. How think you Do you indeed believe that any person being of the Nation entitles them to● b●ptism why then who is not a fit subject seeing all Infants ●nd men too are of one Nation or another and if there be other Qualifications necessary whether to be taught be not one of the chief of them and why do you say we take Infants away from Christs Church because we baptize them not are they in it before baptized if so how do we take them away Presbyterian Query 44. In summ whether 1. God would not have Parents devote their children to him and enter them according to their capacity in his Covenant 2. Whether also he doth not accept into his Covenant all that are faithfully thus devoted to him and be not peculiarly their God that such children are holy 3. Whether they are not as certainly Members according to an Infant-capacity of the visible Church as they are of all Kingdoms under Heaven 4. Whether there be not far more hope of their salvation then of those without 5. Whether the Covenant doth not make their salvation certain if they so die 6. Whether the Invest●ure and Solemnization of their Covenant with Christ should not be made in Infancy c Baptist Antiqu. 44. In summ 1. Whether we do not as much to our Infants in our capacity as Christ did to the Infants which were brought to him and will not that sati●fie unless we go from him to follow you And as to the business of the Covenant let us hear what Mr. Baxter saith More R●●s p. 86. All Mankind is brought by Christ under a Covenant of Grace which is not vain or repealed by God but as their abuse of the grace of the Covenant may cast them out for as a Covenant of entire Nature was made with all mankind in innocent Adam so a Covenant of grace was made with all mankind in lapsed Adam Gen. 3. 15. in the Promised Seed and renewed again with all ma●kind in Noah c. And now we ask whether our Infants according to this account of the Covenant of Grace be not in it without bapti●m fith they have not abused the grace of the Covenant and whether baptism be not far more proper when after they have corrupted themselves by sin they come to humiliation and so to enter into this Covenant upon the termes of the Gospel Whether your Exposition of the universal Church upon Mat. 28. 19. do take in the Practice of the Apostles in pursuance of that Commission to the Acts of the Apostles and the Exposition of the Baptists and if not then you either deny us to be of the universal Church or else you have not the Exposition of the Church universal Presbyterian Query 45. How inconsiderable a Part of the universal Church do the Anabaptists hold Communion with And do they not unchurch almost all the Churches on Earth may we not think that they rob Christ of more them nine Parts of ten of his Kingdom or Church universal V. p. 305. Baptist Antiqu. 45. Whether upon Luthers revolt from the Pope you were not upbraided with holding communion with an inconsiderable part of the universal Church why do you take up the Papists weapons Did not that pious man that succoured Athanasius in the time of the Arrian persecution answer the Objection well when he said The cause of truth is not therefore empaired because I am alone --- Glory not therefore in multitudes for it is not the multitude but the cause that justifieth or condemneth Also whether we may not also conclude that many are of the universal Church which do not communicate with us or your selves and yet whether the separation from many Pedobaptists will not justifie our separation from you more clearly Presbyterian Query 46. Whether they can possibly hop● that ever the Church on Earth will unite upon their terms of rejecting all their Infants from the visible Church and renouncing all our Infant-Rights and Benefits conferred by the Baptismal Covenant of Grace Baptist Antiqu. 46. Whether this be in effect to say What will these feeble Jews do And why may we not hope that this great mistake of yours may vanish as well as that great mistake of Austin and the generality of men prosessing Christianity who brought Infants also to the Lords Table and that for many hundreds of years together and defended it by as plaufible reasons as any you have for baptizing them Could God reform so great and general an errour forced on by Learning and Authority of eminent men And shall we think this thing only too hard for God our small number shall not make us doubt for we know God doth great things by small means And what Baptismal grace do we desire you to renounce when we only defire you to mend an errour Did the twelve disciples Acts 19. renounce any baptismal grace when according to the Interpretation of the Ancients they were baptized again Surely Reformation is no errour Presbyterian Query 47. And whether if they continue to the Worlds end to separate from almost all the Churches and unchurch them their Employment will not be still to serve the great Enemy of Love and Concord against the Lord of Love and Peace and against the Profperity of Faith and Godliness and against the welfare of the Church and Souls and to the scandal and hardning of the ungodly Baptist Antiqu. 47. Whether the separation is not justly chargeable upon those which cause divisions and offences by asserting and maintaining such errours as being admitted the way of God must be corrupted or laid aside and whether these are not the men that at least

boldly to suppose a thing without the least shew of proof be not a plain begging the main thing in Question And though it be never so true that the universal redeemed Church consist of the same Materials in all Ages yet whether it be not evident that that God made a difference as to the time of dispensing Ordinances to them As first no Practical Ord●nance or 〈◊〉 dispensed to any Infant that we read of till Abrahams time and though then Circumcision was ordained for Males yet not for all the Male Children for all under eight days of Age were prohibited and yet you grant th●y were in that Covena●t nor any Rite at all for the Females who yet were of the same Church And whether under Moses they were not admitted to other Rites also as the Pass●over Sacrifices and other holy Feast of the Jews We therefore ask you why the Infants of converted Gentiles are not in as good a condition without any Rite or Ceremony as the Infants of all the faithful from Adam to Abraham And whether those Infants before Abraham were not a happy as the Infants of Abraham And then doth it not follow that the Infants of faithful Gentiles are as happy without Circumcision or any other Rite or ●eremony whatsoever as Abrahants was under a Ceremony seeing God hath not ohliged them to any in the days of the Gospel o● since the Ab●ogation of the Law and Circumcision Presbyterian Query 9. Whether if we could shew no written Law or Promise at first constituting the Duty or granting the Priviledge of Church-Member ship it were the least disparagement to our Cause as long as we can shew those following Laws which presuppose this If Moses at the end of that 2000 years the Church of God had bin without any written Law found all the Infants of Church-Members in Possession of this b●n●fit 〈◊〉 what n●ed was there of a new Law about it Or why should God promise it as a new thing Baptist Antiqu. 9. Whether if there be any such Law you would not have she wed us where it is longere this day and whethen you do not now grant in effect there is no such written Law And what n●ed you thus to query seeing we deny no lawful thing to Infants to be done for them by their godly Parents but only oppose your doing that for which you have no Law Presbyterian Query 10. Whether there being certain Proof in Scripture of Infants Church-Membership but none except that before alledged from Gen. 3. that makes any mention of the beginning of it but all speaking of it as no new thing we have not great reason to assign its beginning which from Gen. 3. is before spoken of Baptist Antiqu. 10. Why do you say that Gen. 3. 15. makes mention of Infants Church-Membership otherwise then what we allow Is here the least hint of your mode of making Infants Church-Members that is doth this place bid you admit them to any Ordinance As for the gracious Covenant here made with Adam do we not grant that it extends to Infants yea we say with Mr. Baxter it was never abrogated Presbyterian Query 11. Is it not unquestionable that the Covenant of Grace made to Abraham the Father of the Faithful comprehended Infants for Church-Members And was 〈◊〉 not the same with that Gen. 3. 1. 5. But in some things clearlier opened Were not both these the Covenant of Grace and free Justification by Faith in the Redeemer And did not the Covenant made to Abraham and his Seed comprehend Infants And should not the same Promise expressed more concisely be expounded by the same expressed more sully Baptist An. 11. Though it be unque stionable that the Covenant of Grace did extend to Infants Gen. 3. 15. as well as in Abrahams time yet there was a vast difference in respect of ceremonies And whether the difference between the Baptists and P●dobaptists be not chi●fly if not only about imposing Ceremonies upon Infants And whether it be not evident that what Ceremonies the Word of God did even assign to Infants we allow them respecting the time of their duration and only oppose your imposing Ceremonies upon Infants for which you can assign no Authority in the Holy Scriptures as is confessed by many Pedobaptists See Mr. Baxters Cure p. 7. Presbyterian Query 12. Whether though the Hebrews had their Peculiarities it be at all credible that the Infants of that one small Countrey only should be so differently de●lt with by God from all the World else even Enoch's Noah'● Sem's and all from Adam to the end of the World that these Infants only should be Church-Members and n● others Baptist Antiqu. 12. Whether this Query as indeed almost all the rest do not mis the true state of the Case seeing the Baptists may and do in a good sence acknowledge Infants to be related to the Churc● viz. by Redemption Pious Dedication to God c. And seeing you grant the Hebrew had their Peculiarities in what thing could it be but in external Rites and Ceremonies especially concerning Infants And shew us if you can any one Nation under Heaven from the beginning of the World to this day to whom God gave any Law to bring their Infants to any Rites either Legal or Evangelical And sith Circumcision was forcibly put upon Infants we ask whether you be able to prove that any Person whatsoever are to be forced to Baptism which Augustine tells us Infants do strive against with great crying from whence he infers they have no Faith Lib. de Pe●cat Mer. Remis chap. 28. Presbyterian Query 13. What can be more absurd then to maintain a Transient Fact as Mr. T. hath done making Infants Church-Members without any Law Promise ●r Covenant-Gra●t of God giving them R●ght Whether a Gift that was never given be not a contradiction V. p. 32 35 39 44 45 151. And if there was any such Promise or Covenant-Grant of Infant 's Church-Membership when or where was it revoked Baptist Antiqu. 13. Whether these things be surely suggested against Mr. T and whether you ought not to have set down his opinion in his own words and whether he doth not mainly oppose himself against Mr. Baxter's Pretended Law for Infant Church-Membership and Baptism whiles yet he denies not Infants a saving Promise or the Promise of saving Prepriety in God Antipedobapt 3. Part. p. 33. And whether that Book was ever answered by Mr. Baxter or ever will by any other Presbyterian Query 14. Was it only the Infants of the Hebrews or of those that were at their absolute dispose that were Church-Members VVere not the Infants of free Proselites Church-Members too Baptist Antiqu. 14 What need of this Query who doubts but that as many others as became Jews by being Proselited to the Law were Circumcised according to the Law But where do yo● find that any either Jews or Gentiles when they were baptized had any obligation to baptize their children and servants also Presbyterian

in the Donation at all And have not Infants guilt and misery from their Parents And though Life and Pardon be by Christ only yet is it not congruous that the meer condition of acceptance may b● Performed by the Parents while they cannot accept for themselves Baptist Antiq. 38. Whether the meritoriousness of Christ is not as available to save Infants without any mans acceptance thereof for them Or whether hath God ty'd the salvation of any person to the acceptance of another And whether these be not unreasonable and unscriptural conceits And whether it be not for want of better Grounds for Infant-Baptism that you thus continually tautologize varying little from that which you have said once and again Presbyterian Query 39. Whether it be no advantage for children to be under an early engagement to God and Jesus Christ Whether to dedicate them betimes to God doth not tend to secure God's right and childrens good and to prevent their sin and misery they being thus under a double Obligation which they may be minded of betimes and which may hold them more strongly to their duty and disadvantage the Tempter that would draw them off from God c Baptist Antiqu. 39. Who is against as early an engagement of children to God as can lawfully be made and do not the Baptists engage their children to God as soon as they can by Prayer and Supplication whiles Infants and then by the best education they are able when docible But whether any thing be done to purpose in your judgement when yet all is done that can be done unless it be rantized in your way And whether it be not b●tter to leave the event of their accepting Baptism to the wise dispose of God then to do it per force in Infancy without Precept from God Also whether the Infant-Baptism be such a means to propagate Religion as you suppose may be seen when you consider how in the darkness of Popery Pedobaptism was more common then now but Christianity much less And name one if you can that was bettered in Christian vertue by Pedobaptism we think we can name one and that your self which is worse for it for had you not that to rest on you would probably desire to put on Christ in baptism whether it be not the fittest time to be buried with Christ in baptism when we are dead with him from the rudiments of the world or whether it be reasonable to bury sinners therein till they be dead to sin and whether it can profit any person to be baptized unless he have the answer of a good conscience by the Resurrection of Christ from the dead 1 Pet. 3. therein Presbyterian Query 40. Whether it can be proved that ever there was one Age or Church particular on Earth since Adam till about 200 years ago that the Anabaptists rose wherein Infants de facto were not Members of the Church Baptist Antiqu. 40. Whether in your sense of making Infants Members of the Church de facto it can be proved there was any one so made a Member from the beginning of the World till Abrahams time and whether John Baptist Christ or any by his order did receive Infants into the Church de facto And whether the Baptist do not better prove the Antiquity of their faith and practice in baptism then any Aedo baptist in the world and doth not your conscience tell you that the baptism of Men and Women upon profession of faith and repentance is beyond the reach of contradiction whilest M. Baxter himself confesses Infant-baptism to be so difficult that many of its Assertors both Protestants and Papists are forced to confess it cannot be proved by the Scriptures See his Cure p. 7. And seeing you and we are generally agreed that our way both for subject and manner is out of dispute clear in the Scriptures and you confess by the Pen of Mr. Baxter that yours is very difficult is it not reason the difficult way should give place to the clear and evident way Presbyterian Query 41. VVhether it can be proved that ever there was any one I●fant of true Church-members that was not rightfully a Church-member himself from the Creation till Christ's days Or from the Creation till this day except the Anabaptists who reject the benefit whose case we will not presume to determine Baptist Antiqu. 41. Whether this Query be not the same we had before and whether what is said to it may not also suffiee to this Presbyterian Query 42. Seeing that Infants have been de facto Church-members from the Creation to this day as far as any Records can lead us Is it likely that the Lord and Head and all-sufficient Governour of his Church would have permitted his Church till now to be actually made up of such subjects as in regard of Age be disallowed and suffered his Church to be wrong framed till now Or is it a reasonable modest and lawful undertaking to go about now in the end of the World to make God a new framed Church as to the age of the Subjects And is it not more modest and safe to live quietly in a Church of that frame as all the Saints of Heaven lived in till the other day as a few Anabaptists did attempt an Alteration Baptist Antiqu. 42. Whether it be not utterly untrue that Infants were Members of the Church de facto i.e. to be brought to partake of Ordinances Practical in the Church save only from Abraham to the end of the Law And whether all the Pedobaptists in the world have not hitherto been unable to shew any one instance before Abraham or since the Law was abrogated so much as one Infant admitted to any such Ordinance in the Church of ●od according to what the Scriptures afford in thi● 〈◊〉 And ●●●her it be not as modest in us to labour to restore ●●ptism to its pure use in the Church both in respect of the subject and manner of Administration thereof as it was for the Protestants to do the like in respect of the Lords Supper Also whether your pretending the Authority of the universal Church be not the same figment with which the Papists deceived themselves and others And how can you pretend the universal Church when the Primitive Church is on our side Presbyterian Query 43. Whether considering Christs own Infant-Mem●●rship and his kind reception of Infants and his chiding those that would have kept them off and his offers of taking in all the Jewish Nation Matth. 23. 37. and that they were broken off by unbelief and consequently the Seed of Believers broken off from the Church Vniversal and that whole Housholds are oft said to be baptized and that Paul pronounceth Believers children holy and that Christ Mat. 28. commanded his Ministers as much as in them lieth to disciple all Nations baptizing them c Baptist Antiqu. 43. Whether Christs Infants Church-membership did not pertain to the Jewish Church only Gal. 4. 4. born under the Law only