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A10398	Three and tvventie sermons, or, Catechisticall lectures upon the sacrament of the Lords Supper preached monthly before the Communion. By that late able, and painfull preacher, Master Iohn Randall Bachelour of Divinitie, pastor of Saint Andrewes Hubbart in little Eastcheape London, sometimes fellow of Lincolne Colledge in Oxford. Published by his executor Iosh. Randall, as he found it corrected by the authors one hand, in his study, since his death.	Randall, John, 1570-1622.; Randall, Joshua, fl. 1630.	1630 (1630)	STC 20682A; ESTC S115645	295,622	568

should say there to stay but so to meditate upon it as that we should have a piercing eye to looke upon him for his second comming wherein he shall appeare to salvation The reasons of the doctrine are these marke the doctrine the receiving of the sacrament of the Lords supper the effectuall meditating of Christs death and consequently all other exercises of Religion all other meanes of grace both inward and outward they are serviceable helps and meanes whereby the faithfull are fitted and prepared to the comming of the Lord Iesus Christ to judgement Reason 1 The first Reason is this the visible and the militant Church here upon earth is as it were a nursery for the kingdome of heaven and this is one chiefe reason why the Scripture doth so oftentimes call the visible Church the kingdome of heaven in the 13 of Matthew divers times the visible Church is called the kingdome of heaven because that in the visible Church Gods little ones they are hatched up in the time of their infancy in the time of their nonage to that inheritance in the kingdome of heaven which God hath appointed us to be heyres unto in and with Iesus Christ the Church is the nursery of the kingdome of heaven why now consider all that is done by the parents or by nurses in nursing and in bringing up their children al that is done by thē it is not done so much unto them in regard of the maintenance of their childhood I say not for their childhood it selfe but it is done to us in this respect that thereby we might be fitted to riper yeares to our better strength to our manly age that so we may be able for such employments and offices in the Church or Common-wealth as wee shall be called unto this is their reach and ayme that we may come to be men and beare office in Church and Common-wealth So it is likewise in this case the visible Church it is the nursery for the kingdome of heaven here Gods little children they are nursed and brought up here we suck the milke of the Word here we are washed and clensed with the water of Baptisme here we feed upon bread and wine in the Sacrament of the Lords Supper and so upon the body and blood of Iesus Christ here we grow in grace here we are ingraffed into Iesus Christ here we beleeve here we love here we hope here we watch here we pray here we lead a godly life here we endure temptation here we suffer fatherly chastisements and afflictions that our heavenly Father layeth upon us all this is done not so much for the maintenance of our present spirituall estate but principally and specially that by all these meanes wee may be forwarded and fitted for what for the obtaining and enjoying of a better life in a better world for the comming of the Lord Iesus Christ to judgment which is the reach and the end of all this Eph. 4.11 12. God hath givē gifts some to be Apostles some Prophets some Euangelists some Pastors and some Teachers what to do for the gathering together of the Saints for the worke of the Ministery till when till we all meet together in a perfect man the fulnesse of the age of Iesus Christ God bestowes upon his Church Ministers God bestowes gifts upon his Ministers and he puts it into the hearts of his children that they should make use of his Ministery and of these good gifts that he hath bestowed upon them to what end to hatch them up to heaven till wee all meet together in a perfect man howsoever some doe expound it concerning this present life yet because there is mention made of the state of perfection which cannot be attained in this life and because it is there said till wee all meet together which cannot be fulfilled but at the day of judgement therefore I take the circumstances of the text to be plaine that it is to be extended to that day so then you see the Church being the nursery for the Kingdome of heaven all that is done in the Church the Word and the sacraments and all good duties are so many helps and meanes to further and to fit us to Gods Kindgdome Reason 2 A second reason is this the second coming of Christ and the state that then we shall bee raised up unto that is the finall end and the finall accomplishment of all the good that is done in this life and the good things that wee doe in this life they are as so many meanes tending to that end now we doe know in every course that the middle actions doe alwaies make an introduction to the last end and therefore the second comming of Christ being the perfection and end of all precedent actions in religion the Word and the Sacraments and all the good duties that wee performe are serviceable helps and meanes and instruments for the bringing in of that last action which is the principall of all the rest receiving the end of your faith saith the Apostle even the salvation of your soules 1 Pet. 1.9 The salvation of our soules there is the end that is the upshot of our faith and consequently of all our good duties Now when is this salvation bestowed upon us never before the second comming of Christ Heb. 9.28 He shall appeare the second time saith the Apostle unto salvation Hee hath satisfied for our sinnes and so hath made way for our salvation already but the bestowing of it upon us is reserved and respited till his second comming In the way that we goe in any journey every step and every foot that wee goe maketh us so much neerer to our journeyes end if wee goe on in the right way Is not Religion the way is not the end eternall life Our Saviour makes it so Matth. 7.14 Strive to enter in at the narrow gate c. he maketh religion the way and eternall life the end of this way and journey Now then if every step and foot bring us neerer to the end of our journey then every good duty that is done in religion brings us neerer to eternall life In a mariage before the mariage is performed are there not suings is there not wooings is there not a contract a trimming and a decking up of the Bride Why to what end is all this why it is all for the mariage day that she may bee a pleasing spouse to her husband and that shee may be fitted every way for the wedding Is not the comming of Iesus Christ our mariage day when the mariage shall be fully accomplished betweene him and all the faithfull when we shall be perfectly handfasted to Christ for ever it is so called in the Rev. 19.7 and there it is said This is the day of the mariage and the Bride hath trimmed up her selfe that is as who should say all that ever Gods children doe in the life of grace while they are here it is as the trimming and the fitting up of

Sacrament of the Lords Supper for seeing that it is thus set upright by Iesus Christ such a compleat ordinance of God wanting nothing therefore it is a grievous sinne for any that shall lay hands upon it to alter it or to adde any thing to it The Popish Church is guiltie highly of this sinne and of the wrath of God for it how many ceremonies have they defiled it withal as by the crosse namely which as it is in use in the popish Church is as abominable an Idoll as ever was erected amongst them It is in some use amongst us after the Sacrament of Baptisme but to us there is no Idolatry in it at all and howsoever it be free and farre from all Idolatry amongst us yet surely if it had crept within the Sacrament of Baptisme as it did creepe within the Sacrament of the Lords Supper I make no question but our State being religious and wise would have utterly cast it out from the one Sacrament aswell as from the other But I say they staine this Sacrament by admitting of the Crosse into the Lords Supper but that is not the worst they goe further they maime this blessed Sacrament they make this Communion but halfe a Communion they deprive the people of the cup let them have the bread and much good may it doe them but they shall have no wine but our Saviour saith Eate this bread and drinke this cup he gave them bread and wine to eate and to drinke and thus did he leave this ordinance to be observed by them now if the Papists shall come and deprive the people of one halfe of this Communion the servant sheweth himselfe to bee envious where the Lord hath shewed himselfe bountifull the Lord hath given them both kinds and the Papists give them but one Nay what will you say if they overthrow this Sacrament utterly surely they doe for they turne the nature of the Sacrament into the nature of a sacrifice for with them this sacrament is a sacrifice it is a Sacrament in the institution of our Saviour Christ but they will have it a propitiatory sacrifice for quicke and dead this is to overthrow the nature of the Sacrament they spoile it also with horrible Idolatry another way in that they keep it but in one kind that is in the bread and that very element of bread that Christ hath separated to holy use they have turned into a prophane and grosse Idoll they hold it verily to be a God and if this be not to overthrow the nature of the Sacrament I know not what is Vse 3 Another use is this here is matter of confirmation arising hence that is concerning the perpetuall visiblenesse of the Church upon the earth it shall be perpetually visible upon the earth so long as the world standeth where the Sacrament is to be administred there must needs be a visible Church the Sacrament is still in use and therefore the Church shall still continue visible The Papists doe us wrong when they charge us that we hold the Church is invisible or that at some time it is not visible at all true in some sense it is so and the Scripture speakes so and some of the Papists themselves doe speake as much but yet not in that sense as they charge us withall the Church is sometime so obscured and eclipsed that it is invisible that is to say that the world cannot see it and take publike notice of it but yet is it never so darkned but that one professor knowes another and they doe meet together though sometimes happely but two or three or a few in the use of Gods saving ordinances God never wants his Church in one place or another the gates of hell shall never prevaile against it Vse 4 A fourth use here is matter of instruction many instructions to many duties First this cals upon us that we should behold and consider and take to heart the wonderfull care and the provident love that the Lord Iesus Christ hath over his Church that doth not content himselfe to furnish his Church with sufficient spirituall maintenance and food so long as hee liveth here himselfe but takes order for it whilest hee is here that the Church should be maintained and should have as good a portion after his death as it did enjoy in his life time as if so bee our Saviour should say and thus resolve with himselfe Nay though I my selfe die yet my love and my care to my poore Church that shall never die but so long as the world standeth so long shall my Word and Sacramēts and saving ordinances be made good for all saving purposes to my chosen people a loving and a carefull husband will not onely maintaine his wife whilest he lives with her but he will doe the best hee can to leave somewhat to maintaine her when he is absent when he is dead and gone the Church is the Spouse of Christ and Christ is her loving husband loving it most dearly most tenderly and most affectionately and therefore hee hath not onely provided meanes of maintenance for the time hee lives here upon earth but now also that hee is absent that he is dead and gone from them still their maintenance that continues He is a faithlesse hous-keeper that provides onely for his family so long as hee is with them and lets them sterve or shift for themselves when he is gone he is worse then an Infidell as the Apostle speakes that provides not for his family but our Saviour is more faithfull then so he provided bountifully for his Church and family whilest hee was here among them upon earth and now that hee is gone from earth to heaven from among them yet still hee leaveth them the same liberall portion to nourish and cherish their soules as they had before Christ would have us take notice of this his great care and love towards us Mark 13.13 The Sonne of man is like unto a man going into a strange Countrey leaveth his house c. So Christ left his house that is his Church for a time that is in regard of his bodily presence but he never left it in regard of his gracious providence but hee gives authority to his servants and leaves to every man his worke and commands the porter to watch see here how the Lord before he departed tooke order for the welfare of his Church and people that it might be as well with them after he was gone as it was before Iohn 14. c. 16 17 18 vers I will pray the Father saith our Saviour and he shall give you another Comforter that hee may abide with you for ever even the Spirit of truth whom the world hath not knowne and so he proceedeth and saith I will not leave you comfortlesse The Apostles they were much daunted and dismayed in themselves when they heard that our Saviour would goe from them alas what shall become of us when the shepheard is smitten the sheepe will soone bee

spell perfection yet we are not come to the reading of them There is a third ascent or degree in religion and that is the state of perfection when Iesus Christ at his second comming shall invest us and put us into full possession of all that ever hee hath purchased for us a matter that we are uncapable of here in this world therefore it is respited to be revealed at his second comming and when once we come to be made partakers of that second comming then we come to be ripe and perfect schollers then we begin to throw away our bookes to throw away the Word and the Sacraments we have no further use of them they shall then all cease now wee have our lesson perfect we can see Christ cleerly we can read Christ easily we can understand Christ fully wee are ripe and perfect schollers and that is the state that we are advanced unto when Christ shall come to judgement A resemblance of this threefold estate was given unto us in the very frame of the Tabernacle in the 25 26 and 27. chapters of Exodus In the Tabernacle there were three divisions or roomes there was first the Court then there was the holy and then the holiest of all or the holy of holies The Court that was for the people as well as for the Priests the holy that was for the Priests onely to come to doe the service of the Lord in it and the holiest of all that was for the high Priest onely to come into and that was but once a yeare the first ascent the outward meanes the Word and the Sacraments they are as the Court of the Tabernacle of God there come the Priests and the people there all communicate together many wicked and many ungodly and prophane persons few in deed in truth yet making a shew of religion all that while we are never the neerer to heaven I but when wee come to the second division then we come to the holy and that is when we are effectually called into the state of grace and in this state it is that we performe all Gods service that hee requires as the Priests did in the holy Here we pray here we offer up our selves and our soules and our bodies and all our spirituall sacrifices to God in Christ here wee exercise the power and the life of grace that God indues us withall There is yet a higher division that is the holiest of all and that is heaven Heb. 10. there is our state of perfection if so be that we stay in the Court wee are never the better for the Tabernacle but if so be that we proceed to the second division to goe to the holy then we have true interest in the Tabernacle so if we stay at the Word and the Sacraments we are never the neerer to salvation I but if we have the life of grace in us then we shall be sure to be made partakers of the holiest of all the Kingdome of heaven God might if it had pleased him bestow this perfection upon us without any such degrees without any such risings or ascents but God deales with man according to the reach and capacity of man he deales with his creatures according to the capacity of his creatures and therefore it is the infinite wisedome of God that we being so unable and so uncapable of matters of heaven that the Lord is pleased to raise us up by certaine degrees till at last he hath brought us to be perfect men and women in Iesus Christ let us see and discerne the wisedome of God in it and let us admire it and let us submit our selves to it Every man would desire to come to the holiest of all and then they think all would be safe with them Looke not to it without good cause for before thou commest to the holiest of all thou must come to the holy before thou commest to the holy thou must come to the Porch before thou commest to heaven thou must have the life of grace in thy heart and before thou have the life of grace in thy heart thou must make a conscionable use of the Word and the Sacraments and whosoever thinkes to come to heaven without the conscionable use of these he doth not use the meanes to come thither And therefore let us submit our selves to the wisedome of God in this case and therefore let us try and examine our estate how farre we have proceeded in this state and therefore let us examine our selves whether wee bee them onely that can know our letters or spell or reade Vse 2 A second use that we are to make of this point is this this sheweth us what we are to esteeme of the Word and Sacraments and indeed of the graces that we attaine unto in this life why we are to esteeme of them as good and as comfortable things not as the matter and substance of our salvation but as helps and meanes to salvatiō nor faith nor repentance they are but onely meanes to helpe us to heaven not the Word and the Sacraments as Iohn saith of himselfe Ioh. 3.8 He was not that light but he was sent to beare witnesse of Christ The Word and the Sacraments they are not the salvation that we looke to have but they are tendered to us of God to beare witnesse of that perfection to beare witnesse of Christ and to beare witnesse of heaven and therefore this should serve to reprove those that doe foolishly and vainly presumptuously boast of their outward estate because they live in the visible Church as though they should surely goe to heaven many will conclude if they can come to Church heare the Word and receive the Sacraments that they are in a good estate that is not the matter though it be a meanes to helpe us forward to heaven yet they are not the substance of our salvation Whosoever they are that doe presume upon this meanes doe but shew me any one thing in the Word and the sacraments in the outward meanes of grace whatsoever and I will shew thee a Reprobate that hath had the very same thing that thou hast had and lieth scorching in hell at this day they have heard the Word and received the Sacraments The Pharisee paid tithes and fasted twice a weeke and yet a cursed firebrand of hell and therefore let no man thinke the better of themselves for this without thou canst come to see what benefit thou hast made of those unlesse thou canst come to see that the life of grace is wrought in thy heart by these meanees as for example if so be that a man have clothes heated at the fire for him if they be never so warme and they put upon his body yet it is not the warmnesse of the clothes that he shall live by but the warmnesse of his body so ought we having the Word and the Sacraments and they being powerfull yet they shall not profit us without we have grace in our

first Church that ever was after Christs ascension and the visible comming downe of the gifts of the Holy Ghost and wee may call it the very prime of the Primitive Churches and where shall wee have a fitter patterne of a true visible Church than that which is fetcht from the first visible Church after our Saviours ascension Vsually Gods ordinances are best at the first institution when they are fresh out of Gods hands spick and span new as it were In time when they come into mens handling they are degenerate and corrupted but at the first when they come out of Gods handling then they are most pure and sincere Mariage is the ordinance of God and the first mariage that ever was was the best mariage that ever was and that is the patterne that all other are to be examined and fashioned by as our Saviour sheweth Matth. 19.4.5 the Lords Supper is Gods ordinance and the first that ever was was the best that ever was and that is the pattern which all other Suppers of the Lord are to be framed by as the Apostle sheweth 1 Cor. 11.23 So this being the first Church after Christs ascension was in best case of all other Churches and therefore that was a fit patterne for other Churches to be tryed and censured by But some will except and say What is this the best Church that ever was What say you of the particular Churches that were soone after as of the Church of Rome and Corinth and Ephesus c. I answer they were goodly Churches and had some more outward complement than this had but they had no more for substance than this had yea they had many failings and corruptions that this as yet was free from Others will except and say But what say you of the Church when our Saviour himselfe lived and was personally present and preached on earth I answer first That even in respect of Christs owne personall presence yet this is nothing inferiour to that for now after the sending downe of the Holy Ghost hee is present with them by his Spirit and this presence of his by his Spirit is as effectuall for all saving purposes as his bodily presence was as our Saviour shewes Iohn 14.16 17 18. Secondly I say that setting only Christs personall presence aside that was not comparable to this for then the Church was not so throughly furnished with gifts as now it was yea then the Apostles themselves had not received that fulnesse of power from on high as now they had Take it thus Christ Iesus by his life and preaching and miracles did as it were plant the Church Christ Iesus by his death and resurrection did as it were water the Church Christ Iesus by his ascension and sending downe of the Holy Ghost ripened his Church and furnished it with all sufficient gifts and brought it to perfection Besides that Church was onely a provinciall Church consisting of Iewes onely within Iudea but this is a more generall Church gathered out of all the Iewes and Proselites of any nation under heaven as verse 5. And indeed this Church is the wombe of all other Churches from thence to the end of the world all of them issuing and proceeding out of this as so many streames out of one fountaine Rome pretends and challengeth it selfe to be the mother Church but falsely this this is the true mother Church of all true visible Churches And therefore as the proverb is in another case Ezek. 16.44 As is the mother so is her daughter so in this case such as this Church is that is the mother such are all her daughters such are all true visibly Churches So we see the wisedome of the Holy Ghost in setting downe this Church as a patterne to all true visible Churches whatsoever Now secondly wee are to proceed to the instruction that hence ariseth The doctrine is this In that the state of this Church is set before us as the patterne of true visible Churches by this that they continued in the Apostles doctrine and fellowship and breaking of bread and prayer Observe that wheresoever the Word is truly preacht the Sacraments rightly administred and the duties of prayer to God and love to our brethren religiously and conscionably practised there is a true visible Church of God I name the manner of performance together with the duties because it is said in the Text they continued in them which intends that not onely they had such duties but also that they were duly and rightly practised and the doctrine holds and so is here meant reciprocally that is to say both wayes as thus first wheresoever these duties are there is a true visible Church and secondly wheresoever is a true visible Church there are these duties For proofe of the first that wheresoever these are there is a true visible Church looke in the 10. of Iohn the 4. and 27. verses in the fourth verse our Saviour saith Hee goeth before his sheepe and they follow him for they know his voice and in the 27. verse he saith My sheepe heare my voice c. Christ goes before his sheepe that is in the use of his owne saving ordinances the Word and Sacraments leading them along thereby in the wayes of salvation for by the voice of Christ there mentioned is directly meant the Word preached and under that the Sacraments are comprehensibly understood which doe alwayes attend upon the Word as the Seales upon the Writing And the same voice of Christ commanding the exercises of prayer and of love doth consequently include them also and when it is said is the 27. verse They heare his voice and follow him there is set downe the practice of these duties So then if one should aske us who are the sheepe of Christ the answer is ready they that heare his voice and follow him which is as much to say If any aske which is the true visible Church the answer is ready there where is the ordinary use of the Word and Sacraments and prayer and love to the brethren Matth. 28.19 20. Goe teach c. The businesse that there the Apostles are employed in is the planting of visible Churches in the world the meanes whereby they are to plant them are teaching and baptizing that is the Word and the Sacraments and what must they teach them but to observe all that Christ commanded now Christ had instructed them specially in prayer teaching them what and how to pray and gave them also a speciall charge to love one another as that being his owne speciall commandement Iohn 15.12 therefore where these things are thus in use as Christ commanded them there is a true visible Church Secondly wheresoever there is a true visible Church there the word is truly preacht the Sacraments rightly administred and prayer to God and love to our brethren religiously and conscionably practised I doe not say they are there in their height but in some decree I shall not need to prove this for all

Church of Sardis Rev. 3.1 2 3. Thirdly it reproves those that pretend themselves to be the true Church and yet are destitute of these things As the Popish Church I mean the faction of the Pope and Cardinalls and Iesuits which challenge to themselves to bee the onely or at least the chiefe visible Church on earth and yet are farre to seeke in the practice of these duties For first the Apostles doctrine that is amongst them is mingled with mens traditions and mastered by the Popes interpretation and subdued unto the censure of their Church and so upon the point it is their owne doctrine not the Apostles Then for the Sacraments of God they have them indeed yet sorted with the Sacraments of men and corrupted with many prophanations and superstitions and foully stained with mens inventions And concerning brotherly love and fellowship herein they would seeme to excell all other oh say they wee are full of Almes and good workes And no marvell For which of us would not give all he hath to the poore if hee were thorowly perswaded that hee should merit heaven by it But what is their practice of love to get all to themselves for looke in all places where Popery hath raigned tell me if they have not encrocht upon the greatest or upon the richest and fattest part of the Land if they doe part with any thing it is to uphold the Popes crowne or the Iesuits faction And if they did build hospitalls or give almes they did it with opinion of merit which marres all to themselves or to bee seene of men and then they have their reward happily the poore fare the better for it but they themselves performe no true service to God in it nor yet can receive no true comfort by it So for prayer many of them spend a great part of their time in prayer but they pray to Saints as well as to God yea they doe not pray to God but by the intercession of Saints and all is done usually in an unknowne tongue without understanding they know not what they aske and what comfort can they have in such prayers So then howsoever they pretend and say wee have the Church wee have the Church yet it is but as the Iewes said The Temple of the Lord the Tēple of the Lord when indeed they were destitute of the true worship of the Lord. I doubt not but that there live under that government many true beleevers that worship God in some measure in spirit and truth But how that popish faction may be called a true visible Church that I referre to the censure of this doctrine The second use is for application to this present particular Church of England that we live in First here is matter of confirmation that wee have a true visible Church and that our standing in it is warrantable safe and good and if wee walke conscionably and uprightly therein we are in the ready way to heaven for to live in a true visible Church is not a thing so comfortable for it selfe but for the greatnesse of the consequent because if we are in a visible Church and live accordingly we are in the ordinary way to salvation else not Therefore it stands us much upon to to looke well to our selves herein if therefore any of us be scrupulous in our selves or any other of our adversaries deny us to bee a true Church or call us in question about it here is a sure evidence to confirme and secure us in it wee have through Gods mercy the Apostles doctrine amongst us truly preacht the Sacraments rightly administred the duties of prayer to God and love to the brethren by many of us religiously and conscionably practised therefore wee are a true visible Church And this wee dare to hold out as a flag of defiance against all our opposites and slanderers the Papists on the one side and the Separatists on the other let them say and doe their worst to disprove us in it we doe not justifie any abases or corruptions amongst us God forbid we should no wee abhorre them and mourne and groane under the burthen of them and pray to God against them and use all the lawfull meanes so farre as in us lies for the reformation of them But for the true being of our Church being impugned by our adversaries we must justifie Gods ordinances amongst us I say therefore againe and I speake it with confidence and comfort and glory to God we have the Word truly preached the Sacraments rightly administred the duties of prayer to God and love to the brethren in some good measure amongst us religiously and conscionably practised therefore wee are a true visible Church The Papists lay hard at us you the Church say they no you are a company of heretiques and no true Church We answer wee embrace the Apostles doctrine the written word wholly and onely that and nothing but that for matter of faith and if this be heresie we are content to bee called heretiques and we say further with Paul Acts 24.14 After the way that they call heresie so worship we the God of our fathers wee beleeve the Word of God and all that is written in it and desire to live by that rule let these men call it heresie or what they will we know we worship God in it aright therefore are no heretiques as they charge us to be The Separatists they charge us also that wee are no true Church you a true Church say they no you are a limme of Antichrist An uncharitable speech and a heavy slaunder and till it be substantially proved the burthen of the slander lies on themselves and the Lord forgive them or rebuke them for it heare is our shield againe to ward off this fiery dart too if the Apostles doctrine and fellowship c. be Antichristian then let us be taken for limmes of Antichrist but if these be true Christian duties then we that in the truth of our hearts labour the practice of these duties are a true Christian Church But say they you faile in many things you have not the discipline of the Church and therefore are no true Church I answer some discipline wee have though not that which they pretend But what then if wee have not that discipline which they pretend are wee therefore no true Church by the same reason this Church here mentioned may bee proved to bee no true Church neither for the discipline which these men pretend was not in use nor in being nor in name when this Church was in this glorious beauty for as yet there were no deacons at all as is plaine in Chapter 6 and yet they are the first and most exceptionlesse Church-officers next unto the Apostles that the Scripture speakes of I but say they the discipline which was presently after established was to bee used in all other succeeding Churches for ever I answer it is true that the same discipline that was establisht by the Apostles for all