crowning vs with more high aduancement then if the poorest vassall vpon earth should haue the greatest Monarch to waite at his trencher Neither doe I take Sicut to bee a note of equality but of likenesse either in the order or in the participation of so much of his glory as shall suffice for their perfect happinesse Min. Iabal makes no question of this he is not ignorant that where it is said he shall set the b Mat. 25.33 sheepe on his right hand we are to vnderstand the participation not c Nulla comparatio inter Creaturas et Deum cadit quia finiti ad infinitū nulla est Proportio Petrus Ierem. an equality much lesse any priority of his glory He acknowledgeth these to be d Pag. 19. Metaphors wherwith God doth vse to exaggerate the happy estate of meaner Saints then his Mother neither hath hee any other meaning by this Metaphoricall diuision of the Kingdome betweene God and the Virgin but that e Ouerth pag. 168. 169. Ad dextram ponere aliquem est honorare personam sicut legitur de Matre Salomonis 1. Reg. ca. 2 v. 19. she is in greatest fauor with God so potent in her intercession that she deliuereth from dangers and bestoweth fauors and graces on whom she pleaseth as one who by fauour and friendship doth both ouer-rule the Court of iustice stopping such processes against vs as our sinnes doe deserue and rule the Court of mercy being able by her intercession to obtaine for vs in that Court whatsoeuer wee do either need or can reasonably desire Nick. I haue heard the schollars of Oxford talke much of a non sequitur were there any of them heere he would put Iabal to prooue this inference The blessed Virgin is in great fauour with God therefore shee is Queene Regent in the Court of heauen f Gloriam meā alteri non dabo Isa 42. v. 8. ergo to bee inuocated ergo to be adored Min. Indeed this plea could not free the g Epiph. in Haeres Collirydians from the blur of Epiphanius his pen by which they are branded with the infamous note of heretical Idolatry and not without iust cause for albeit the Saints are inuested in the glory of immortality yet doth the Lord reserue the glory of his diuinity as proper to himselfe whereof he is so iealous that hee can in no hand endure such Luciferian spirits as shall attempt to h Nemo hunc honorem sumat rob him of any of his peculiar clayme 's as Vowes Prayers Sacrifice and the like religious homages He it is alone who searcheth the hearts and the reines whose mercy is aboue all his workes It is honour enough for the blessed Virgin to behold the face of her Sauiour to haue a prime mansion in that spatious house to cry Alleluiah before the throne but to erect a Court of speciall i Possumus prouocare à foro iustitiae Dei ad Curiam B. Maria. Bernardinus in Marial appeale to summon sutors to prostrate themselues before her k Si quis à filio terreatur quia Iudex est Mariam adeat quia Medicina est Holcot in lib. Sap. Lect. 36. throne is more then either Astitit regina a dextris or Dispono vobis regnum dare probably auouch Such positiue conclusions built vpon Metaphoricall grounds doe proue little better then fallacies a dicto secundum quid ad dictum simpliciter Ma. You say right For Christs soueraigne power ouer the whole world is incommunicable and cannot be conueighed to the person of any creature but the fruit and benefit of this power euery one that is in Christ reapeth in his saluatiō being exalted thereby to sit in the heauenly places as a partaker of Christs glory hauing power from thence euen in his owne person to triumph ouer Sinne Death and Hell and to breake them in peeces as the l Apoc. 2.27 Vessels of a potter This is the royalty there intended if Iaball set this string any higher it will breake and flye in his face Min. The stretching of those Metaphors to reach owne sence occasioned m De inuent l. 6. c. 13. Polydores complaint Bene multi rudiores saith hee imaginibus magis fidunt quà m Christo. Very many simple folke repose more confidence in Images then in Christ And that of n In Aug. de ciuit lib. vlt. c. vlt. Viues Multi Christiani in re bona plerumque peccant quod Diuos Diuasque non aliter venerantur quam Deum Many worship the Saints with the same honour which is due vnto God Had it not beene for these superstitious and vnbounded Encomiastiques and metaphoricall doxologyes this Idolatry had not found the way into the Church dore but when the people were taught that God had giuen the Virgin the better halfe of his Kingdome which they vnderstood to be a subordinate Iurisdiction then you must thinke they spared no o Altaria fumant cost at her Shryne then were they as willing to set out the picture like a Goldy-locks with Rebatoes red Sattin Petticotes and loose Gownes as they were to prancke vp her child with a Veluet Cappe and Feather Ma. This homage seemes to haue some countenance from the acknowledgement of the foure and twenty Elders who speak p Apoc. 5.10 thus vnto the Lamb. Thou hast made vs vnto our God Kings and Priests and we shall raigne vpon the earth by which they intimate a kind of Regall Iurisdiction ouer those that breath vpon this terrestriall Globe which if it bee granted there can no cost be thought too much either in the honour of her statue or the purchase of her fauour who by all likelihood is of highest esteeme in the Court of heauen Min. Iabal hath this q Ouerth pag. 168. text by the end but God wot it will stand him in little steed for those foure and twenty Elders do not represent the state of the Saints in heauen but of the r Compared with Apoc. c. 1. ver 6. Church militant vpon earth Richardus de Sancto Vict. expounds the harpes in their hands to bee the good works of the Saints whose sweet harmony and delightfull sound draweth others with whom they conuerse to the contemplation and liking of heauenly things their ordinary Glosse vnderstands by them the mortification of the flesh Their Ignatian ſ Blas Vieg in Apo. pag. 247. Viegas takes these harps to signifie the commemoration of Diuine prayses which saith he the foure and twenty Elders doe set forth two maner of waies viz. mortificatione passionū diuini verbi praedicatione by the mortification of their passions the preaching of the diuine word both which actions are to be performed by the liuing no way appliable to the departed who feele neither the reluctation of the flesh nor the t Imperfectum abolebitur defect of knowledge As for the golden vialls full of odours hee vnderstands by them the hearts of the
sets out the u Preface Oliue branch for a signe but his vessels are full of gall and wormewood within Min. If we may take his owne word in his owne worke it is the gentle sound of a solid answere * Preface It is a purgatory sallet to purge his prophane humours made of fiue medicinable hearbs wherein he hath powred the oyle of charitable exhortations mingled with the vineger of sharpe reprehension yet so sparingly that it cannot be displeasing to his tast Nick. If hee had presented him with the iuice of Rue and skymd hony it had beene more proper for the dimnesse of his sight It seemes he hath not been brought vp vnder an Apothecary but rather in a Cookes shop he is so cunning in dishing out this saucy Allegory Min. What will ye say then to this I haue done my best to x This Allegory was beaten in the mortar of malice with the pestle of his pestilent wit Ouerth p. 52. quench the fire which flashed from the bramble bush of your distempered thoughts not with cold water of a dull deniall nor with the oyle of sinners which might increase the flame by soothing you in your errour but with wine and sugar I hope you will not taxe this to be broken-winded Nick. I promise you an excellent close Had my master such a Skull in his kitchin that would quench the fire with wine and sugar the Vintners and Grocers would soone share his lands his y Pag. 27. patrimony would then be in a dangerous consumption indeed Min. Nick you are somewhat too quicke his honest meaning is to bee accepted yet if I haue any iudgement hee is more elegant in one leafe of this booke then in all the other he wrote before Ma. Marry hee may thanke Sir Edward for that whose phrases are so interlaced throughout the whole discourse that Rabshacheh his stile may seeme to haue put on her holli-day coate Nick. This one thing I heard a Gentleman of good quality obserue that hee hath an extraordinary gift in the retorting of conceipts And withall protested that he thought Ishmael was begotten on the side of a hill he so returns word for word like an Eccho Min. The truth is the poore man hath a very weake stomacke hee casts vp whole periods as they went downe without digestion or alteration Ma. If I were his Phisition I would prescribe him a cup of wine and sugar next his heart for what with his watching weeping and z Pag. 113. whipping he hath a very bad stomacke and a worse braine Nick. He ill deserues it who measures other mens liquor by the shallow panne of his owne wheeling skonce If hee breake his fast with nymble-brained Wilson somewhat more liberally hee strait fumbles in the mouth and tumbles out a double a Preface foole in euery answere according to his simple folly Min. He was not then mistaken that did Hierogliphick him by the name of Rabshacheh which vpoÌ„ long search he hath found to signifie b Pag. 34. Multum Ebrius as much to say as Cozen German to Floud the Ignatian who hath in his time made more razling Indentures then the best Scriuener in Doway or St. Omers Nick. Yet as flustred as hee was when his wench told him that he kissed like a Clowter hee could text her with Labia Sacerdotis custodiunt sapientiam And when shee pleaded that it went against her heart he could protest by the faith of a Catholique not to come within a c Iust the length of a Tobacco Pipe foote of her conscience Min. It seemes indeed he speakes not by guesse like a Nouice but as one beaten to the trade by experimentall proofe when he saith I know that the custome of men that are d Pag. 56. tipled is when they stagger themselues to thinke that Churches and the very heauens reeâ—e about them Marke how feelingly he speakes euen of the thought Ma. Let him be what he will this is no fit Court to draw his Inditement hee will trauerse it with an Appeale Let vs rather heare how he bestirs himselfe for Purgatory Min. Nay by your leaue Sir his Apology touching the exceptions in the Counter-snarle must haue the precedence This hath he cunningly in his first chapter prefixed to a worke by good probability long studied against the Knights first letter some sixe yeares since directed to Mr. T.H. Ma. Bee it as it list seeing wee are come as Auditors to sitte vpon his account let vs first see his charge and then his discharge Min. Indeed equity her selfe cannot prescribe a more indifferent course then this There is great reason your fiat should stand in these praecincts Nick. No doubt he hath placed a Lion in the fore-front to make the better way for the Marshalling of his weaker and more heartlesse troopes Ma. If he haue the least dramme of Rhetoricall Chiualry he will be sure to put the best e Mallem exercitum Ceruorum duce Leone quaÌ„ Leonum duce Ceruo legge formost Min. You are both wide in stead of a Lion hee hath committed the conduct of his forces to Reynald the foxe whom hee presents on his paper stage with a Target to shield him from the imputation of vttering any thing to the Knights reproach Ma. It must be a nimble Foxe that can shift off so many palpable wrongs hee had neede haue his ioynts thoroughly annointed with the oyle of leazing Min. Doubt you not that his poynts are well tagg'd with fraud And first as if hee good man meant nothing but pure deuotion hee deplores the hard hap of his infortunate treatise in falling vpon so vndeserued misconstruction wishing that the few lines which concerned the Knight had beene read by him when he was fasting Nick. Hee were a wise man would loose a good Breakfast for better repast then I could euer discouer in his Larder It seemes his booke is somewhat a kinne to an Apothecaries drugge which requires the attendance of an houre-glasse and a Spanish seruicio Hee that dares not but allow a certaine number of Psalms in our Ladies Psalter to be read after supper is angry if his owne lines bee perused when a man hath dined If there bee any such danger in taking his receits vpon a full stomack he should haue done well to prescribe both diet and time Ma. Vndoubtedly hee hath a reference to the wine and sugar mentioned in his Preface which liquor he saith the Knight loues well This holy water runnes from his pen in such aboundance as if he had Bacchus his tunne for a Standish hee dreames of no body but f Pag. 94. Ennius who in his merry veyne wrote more wise sentences then euer issued from Rabshacheh his most sober thoughts heerein he displayeth his folly or rather his malice in the highest degree But the best is he is like to purchase as much thanks of the iudicious Reader by this his iniurious scandall as Sophocles his vngracious Sonnes got
of those that were without that their mouthes might be stopped from blaspheming the justice of God Iab I will not b Pag. 119 stand to conuince you out of Scriptures nor out of Fathers only because the Knight stands vpon Athanasius whom he calls his Arbitrator and sayes that he will not affoord vs one sillable to saue our liues his ignorance shall receiue doome by his sentence euen in that verie Treatise Thus he writeth There is great difference betwixt Pennance and Baptisme he that repenteth ceaseth to sinne but still retaineth the c Ergo opera poenitentialia non sunt satisfactoria skars of his wound but he that is baptized putteth off the old man is then renewed from heauen and as it were borne againe by the Spirit of grace Doe you see how manie sillables this Father lendeth vs Ma. They wil scarce make a number I see not so much as a Cipher that can stand in your account He neyther nameth Purgatorie nor anie temporall punishment after the remission of the guilt of sinne Nay he rather seemeth to dash these conceits against the wall For if a man baptized bee renewed from Heauen and retaine no skarres then the plaister of Purgatorie may be cast out vpon the dung-hill as of no vse to those that continually make their repaire by a thirsting faith to those waters of comfort Obserue I pray you how strangely you goe to worke You haue made a great shew of exhorting vs vnto pennance and now you bring in Athanasius affirming that he that repenteth still retaineth the skars of his wound Time was when you could say In this d Pag. 115 penall Martyrdome namely the perpetuall victorie of our selues if you continue vnto death in the true Catholike Church I dare warrant you both from Hell and Purgatorie and grant you an immediate passage vnto Heauen How comes it now to passe that notwithstanding this penall Martyrdome there are skars and woundes still remaining May we be admitted to passe into Heauen immediately without these eye-sores in our soules You should rather for the effectuating of your purpose haue produced Saint e Lib. de poeni Augustines Panigyrick Poenitentia langueres sanat Leprosos curat Mortuos suscitat Or that of f De Laud. poen Cum homo compungitur Peccatum dispungitur Cyprian O poenitentia quid de te noui referam Omnia ligata tu soluis Omnia clausa tu reseras Omnia contrita tusanas Omnia confusa tu lucidas c. You speake of the Skars verie vnseasonably in my mind Min. These Holy Fathers may be easily reconciled Athanasius speakes of Pennance solely considered in it selfe according to the worke wrought and in this sence though a man giue his bodie to bee burned to satisfie for the sinne of his soule the skar of his sinne still remaineth The other two speake of Penance not as it is opposed to Baptisme but as it is conjoyned and made operatiue by the vertue thereof from whence the life and vigour of repentance is deriued So that Athanasius saies well that vnlesse a man be renewed from Heauen and bee borne againe by the Spirit of grace his pennance how great soeuer cannot doe awaie the skarres of his wound Iab I see not g Pag. 120 what else can bee imagined to remaine after pennance and not after Baptisme besides the guilt of temporall paine which wee must willingly vndergoe to satisfie for the sinnes after Baptisme which skars and wounds if we heale not in this life by plaisters of pennance they must bee scared in the next by Purgatorie fire Nick. Then must you bee sure to haue a turne in torrida Zona for Athanasius tels you that notwithstanding your penance you must stil retaine the skarres of your wounds Your better waie were to flie to the waters of Iordan where you shall bee sure to haue your leprosie fully cured then to trust to your owne penall satisfactions Now if you loue mee meddle no more with my Masters Arbitrator if you doe your Combe will be soone cut Ma. T is wel he wil now at length confesse that the guilt of temporall paine remaineth not after Baptisme It is not a quarter of an houre since he was of a contrarie minde Then h Pag. 119 death hunger thirst and other miseries were the penalties of originall sinne forgiuen vnto Christians in Baptisme Now he i Pag. 120 sees not what else can bee imagined to remaine after pennance and not after Baptisme besides the guilt of temporal pain But that the day weares away I would bee bold to aske him this question whether the vertue of Baptisme be not as great throughout the whole life of a Christian as it is at that moment when it is administred I will not so much vnder-value his sinceritie as to feare his deniall I dare say hee will not make the Sacrament of Regeneration lesse beneficiall vnto vs then the Mother Earth was vnto her Sonne Antaeus As oft as hee in the conflict with Hercules touched the earth his strength was renewed and as oft as wee bath our Soules in those medicinable waters by a Religious application of the bloud of Christ we are assured of the remission of our sinnes as well as if wee were at the instant baptized in that purifying Lauer. So that the guilt of temporall paine doth no more remaine after the pious application then it did after the first initiation Christ and his ordinances being the same Yesterday to day and for euer The cause taken away the effect ceaseth Iab This your k Ibid. Logicall Axiome faileth in a thousand examples The Sonne is an effect of the l Causasociata Father Cannot hee liue though his Father bee dead The fire causeth heat yet we see that heat doth remaine long time after the fire is put out That Principle is only true when not only the first being of the effect dependeth on the cause but also the conseruation thereof as the light of the Sunne which the Sunne doth not only bring forth but also conserue vanisheth away together with the same Nick. As I am a true Aristotelian I heard him not speake so wise a word this day The Sonne who is an effect of the Father may liue m Quatenus homo non quatenus filius though his Father bee dead And yet in these dayes filius pendet à patre in esse conseruari or else they would goe for the most part in thred bare coates Min. Wee doubt not but the Axiome admits many exceptions by reason of the diuers properties of causes some being efficient some materiall some formall and some finall Amongst Efficients some permanent some transient some principall some instrumentall some conseruant c. Yet must you not wind away with your Sophistrie There is a certaine Cause called Causa solitaria proxima adaequata of which sort is Sinne in regard of punishment for if the question be why man is punished it cannot possibly