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the_o good_a body_n of_o christ_n and_o simon_n magus_n the_o good_a baptism_n of_o christ_n but_o for_o that_o they_o use_v not_o well_o that_o
will_v have_v happen_v as_o in_o all_o other_o occasion_n of_o error_n or_o heresy_n it_o do_v if_o his_o speech_n have_v be_v unsound_a unproper_a or_o dangerous_a so_o as_o when_o we_o find_v but_o one_o father_n uncontroul_v in_o these_o assertion_n we_o be_v just_o to_o presume_v that_o we_o hear_v the_o whole_a age_n and_o christian_a church_n of_o his_o time_n speak_v together_o and_o much_o more_o when_o we_o see_v diverse_a father_n agree_v in_o the_o selfsame_o manner_n of_o speech_n and_o utteringe_v their_o meaning_n and_o whosoever_o be_v careful_a of_o his_o soul_n in_o these_o dangerous_a time_n of_o controversy_n aught_o to_o be_v mindful_a of_o this_o observation_n and_o so_o shall_v we_o pass_v to_o the_o disputation_n themselves_o out_o of_o the_o first_o cambridge-disputation_n in_o k._n edward_n day_n wherein_o the_o defendantes_n be_v d._n madew_n and_o b._n ridley_n high_a comissioner_n 20._o junij_fw-la 1549._o §._o 1._o 7._o albeit_o in_o this_o disputation_n 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promise_v by_o our_o saviour_n in_o the_o six_o of_o s._n john_n compare_v it_o with_o the_o say_a figure_n and_o show_v how_o much_o it_o be_v to_o exceed_v the_o same_o and_o namely_o the_o manna_n that_o come_v from_o heaven_n and_o final_o expoundinge_a it_o to_o be_v hiâ—_n own_o flesh_n which_o he_o will_v give_v we_o to_o eat_v in_o fullfillinge_v those_o figure_n panis_n quem_fw-la ego_fw-la dabo_fw-la caâ—o_fw-la mea_fw-la est_fw-la the_o bread_n that_o i_o will_v give_v you_o shall_v be_v 6._o my_o flesh_n and_o that_o true_o and_o indeed_o caro_fw-la enim_fw-la â—uea_fw-la verè_fw-la est_fw-la cibus_fw-la for_o my_o flesh_n be_v true_o meat_n etc._n etc._n ibidem_fw-la 8._o this_o promise_n then_o and_o this_o prefiguration_n be_v not_o quoth_v he_o perform_v by_o christ_n but_o in_o his_o last_o supper_n when_o he_o take_v bread_n and_o deliver_v it_o say_v this_o be_v my_o body_n which_o performance_n if_o it_o must_v answer_v either_o to_o christ_n promise_n in_o the_o gospel_n or_o to_o the_o figure_n in_o the_o old_a testament_n must_v needs_o be_v more_o than_o bread_n for_o that_o otherwise_o it_o shall_v not_o be_v better_o than_o the_o manna_n that_o be_v bread_n from_o heaven_n which_o christ_n in_o s._n johns_n gospel_n express_o promise_v shall_v be_v change_v into_o his_o flesh_n and_o if_o christ_n in_o his_o last_o supper_n have_v but_o give_v a_o figure_n of_o his_o true_a body_n then_o have_v he_o fullfil_v the_o figure_n of_o the_o old_a testament_n with_o a_o figure_n in_o the_o new_a and_o so_o all_o have_v be_v figure_n contrary_a to_o that_o of_o s._n john_n lex_fw-la per_fw-la moysen_n data_fw-la est_fw-la veritas_fw-la autem_fw-la per_fw-la jesum_fw-la christum_fw-la facta_fw-la est_fw-la the_o 1._o law_n be_v give_v by_o moses_n in_o figure_n but_o the_o truth_n thereof_o be_v perform_v by_o jesus_n christ_n etc._n etc._n 9_o thus_o begin_v doctor_n glyn_n but_o i_o find_v no_o solution_n doctrine_n give_v thereunto_o but_o that_o doctor_n madew_n be_v ask_v whether_o the_o sacrament_n of_o the_o old_a law_n and_o new_a be_v all_o one_o he_o say_v yea_o indeed_o &_o effect_v doctor_n glyn_n infer_v that_o then_o they_o be_v not_o inferior_a to_o we_o for_o that_o they_o have_v bread_n that_o signify_v christ_n body_n as_o well_o as_o we_o and_o they_o by_o eat_v that_o bread_n with_o faith_n in_o christ_n to_o come_v do_v eat_v christ_n body_n and_o participate_v his_o grace_n thereby_o no_o less_o than_o we_o which_o be_v a_o great_a absurdity_n and_o contrary_a to_o the_o whole_a drift_n of_o s._n paul_n speak_v of_o that_o matter_n and_o extollinge_v the_o dignity_n of_o this_o sacrament_n yea_o contrary_a to_o the_o express_a discourse_n of_o christ_n himself_o say_v not_o moses_n give_v you_o bread_n from_o 6._o heaven_n mean_v the_o manna_n but_o my_o father_n give_v you_o true_a bread_n from_o heaven_n and_o to_o this_o discourse_n also_o you_o shall_v find_v nothing_o answer_v in_o effect_n 10._o from_o this_o doctor_n glyn_n pass_v to_o show_v out_o of_o s._n augustine_n s._n ambrose_n and_o s._n basill_n that_o 1253._o the_o body_n of_o christ_n must_v be_v adore_v before_o it_o be_v receive_v whereunto_o be_v answer_v that_o only_o a_o certain_a reverend_a manner_n of_o receavinge_v waâ—_n thereby_o mean_v but_o no_o adoration_n but_o the_o other_o reply_v sacrament_n that_o the_o father_n speak_v of_o proper_a adoration_n yea_o s._n austen_n go_v so_o far_o therein_o in_o his_o book_n de_fw-fr civitate_fw-la dei_fw-la that_o he_o affirm_v the_o heathen_n to_o have_v esteem_v the_o christian_n to_o have_v adore_v ceres_n and_o bacchus_n god_n of_o bread_n and_o wine_n by_o the_o adoration_n which_o they_o use_v to_o this_o sacrament_n of_o bread_n and_o wine_n which_o they_o will_v never_o have_v suspect_v of_o the_o protestant_n by_o their_o behaviour_n towards_o their_o supper_n of_o bread_n and_o wine_n whereunto_o another_o answer_n be_v frame_v that_o saint_n augustinâ—_n mean_v only_o of_o adoringe_v christ_n body_n in_o heaâ—â—n_n and_o not_o in_o the_o sacrament_n and_o this_o answer_n be_v confirm_v by_o ridley_n very_o sollemne_o say_v for_o his_o preface_n for_o because_o i_o be_o onâ—_n that_o do_v love_v the_o truth_n i_o will_v here_o declare_v whaâ—_n i_o think_v in_o this_o point_n etc._n etc._n i_o do_v grant_v a_o certain_a honour_n and_o adoration_n to_o be_v do_v unto_o christ_n body_n but_o then_o the_o father_n speak_v not_o of_o it_o in_o the_o sacrament_n but_o of_o it_o in_o heaven_n etc._n etc._n neither_o be_v there_o any_o other_o answer_n give_v and_o yet_o who_o see_v not_o that_o this_o be_v but_o a_o plain_a shift_n for_o when_o s._n augustine_n for_o example_n say_v nemo_fw-la illam_fw-la carnem_fw-la manducat_fw-la 98._o nisi_fw-la prius_fw-la adoraverit_fw-la no_o man_n eat_v that_o flesh_n in_o the_o sacrament_n but_o first_o adore_v it_o and_o saint_n chrysostome_n adora_fw-la &_o communica_fw-la dum_fw-la proseratur_fw-la antioch_n sacrisicium_fw-la adore_v and_o communicate_v while_o the_o sacrifice_n be_v bring_v forth_o it_o be_v evident_a by_o common_a sense_n that_o the_o adoration_n be_v appoint_v to_o that_o body_n which_o there_o present_o be_v eat_v and_o not_o to_o christ_n body_n absent_a in_o heaven_n for_o by_o this_o kind_n of_o their_o adoration_n we_o adore_v also_o our_o ordinary_a dinner_n to_o wit_n by_o adoringe_a god_n in_o heaven_n and_o say_v grace_n etc._n etc._n and_o he_o that_o shall_v read_v the_o place_n of_o the_o father_n themselves_o will_v wonder_v at_o this_o impudence_n for_o saint_n austen_n do_v expound_v those_o word_n of_o the_o psalm_n adorate_fw-la scabellum_fw-la pedum_fw-la eius_fw-la and_o apply_v 9â—_n it_o to_o his_o flesh_n in_o the_o sacrament_n and_o s._n chrysostome_n speak_v express_o of_o christ_n flesh_n as_o it_o be_v in_o the_o sacrament_n and_o offer_v as_o a_o sacrifice_n 11._o and_o yet_o do_v fox_n make_v doctor_n glyn_n to_o have_v reply_v never_o a_o word_n nor_o so_o much_o as_o produce_v the_o text_n themselves_o of_o the_o father_n name_v by_o he_o but_o givinge_v it_o over_o pass_v to_o another_o argument_n say_v if_o it_o please_v your_o good_a lordship_n s._n ambrose_n and_o s._n augustine_n do_v say_v that_o before_o the_o consecration_n it_o be_v but_o bread_n and_o after_o the_o consecration_n it_o be_v call_v the_o body_n of_o christ_n whereto_o be_v of_o answer_v indeed_o it_o be_v the_o very_a body_n of_o christ_n sacramental_o after_o the_o consecration_n where_o as_o before_o it_o be_v nothing_o but_o common_a bread_n and_o yet_o after_o that_o it_o be_v the_o lord_n bread_n and_o thus_o must_v s._n ambrose_n and_o s._n augustine_n be_v understand_v so_o say_v the_o aunswerer_n and_o doctor_n glyn_n be_v by_o the_o proctor_n command_v to_o cease_v and_o pass_v to_o the_o second_o question_n but_o he_o obtain_v by_o entreaty_n to_o go_v forward_o a_o instance_n reply_n or_o two_o more_o
again_o upon_o the_o 50._o psalm_n pro_fw-la 50._o â—bo_fw-la carne_fw-la propria_fw-la nos_fw-la pascit_fw-la pro_fw-la potu_fw-la sanguinem_fw-la suum_fw-la nobis_fw-la propinat_fw-la in_o steed_n of_o meat_n he_o feed_v we_o with_o his_o own_o flesh_n and_o in_o steed_n of_o drink_n he_o give_v unto_o we_o to_o drink_v his_o own_o blood_n and_o again_o homil_n 83._o in_o matth._n non_fw-la side_n tantum_fw-la sed_fw-la matth._n reipsa_fw-la nos_fw-la corpus_fw-la suum_fw-la effecit_fw-la etc._n etc._n not_o only_o by_o faith_n but_o in_o deed_n he_o have_v make_v we_o his_o body_n and_o final_o for_o that_o it_o be_v deny_v express_o saint_n chrysostome_n to_o mean_v that_o we_o receive_v 1303._o christ_n body_n with_o our_o corporal_a mouth_n doctor_n weston_n urge_v these_o word_n of_o saint_n chrysostome_n 13._o non_fw-la vulgarem_fw-la honorem_fw-la consecutum_fw-la est_fw-la os_fw-la nostrum_fw-la excipiens_fw-la corpus_fw-la dominicum_fw-la our_o month_n have_v get_v no_o small_a honour_n in_o that_o it_o receave_v the_o body_n of_o our_o lord_n 24._o but_o all_o this_o will_v not_o serve_v for_o still_o cranmer_n answer_v by_o his_o former_a sleight_n thus_o with_o our_o mouth_n we_o receive_v the_o body_n of_o christ_n and_o tear_v it_o with_o our_o tooth_n that_o be_v to_o say_v the_o sacrament_n of_o the_o body_n of_o christ._n do_v you_o see_v the_o evasion_n and_o what_o may_v not_o be_v shift_v of_o in_o this_o order_n do_v any_o minister_n in_o england_n use_v to_o speak_v thus_o oâ—_n his_o communion-bread_n as_o s._n chrysostome_n in_o the_o place_n allege_v of_o the_o sacrament_n after_o the_o word_n of_o consecration_n or_o do_v any_o of_o the_o ancient_a father_n write_v so_o reverent_o of_o the_o water_n 74._o of_o baptism_n which_o they_o will_v have_v do_v and_o aught_o to_o have_v do_v if_o christ_n body_n be_v not_o otherwise_o present_a in_o this_o sacrament_n than_o the_o holy-ghost_n be_v in_o that_o water_n as_o cranmer_z 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the_o same_o and_o have_v receive_v he_o return_v home_n 25._o thus_o s._n chrysostome_n out_o of_o which_o place_n doctor_n weston_n urge_v he_o eager_o excludinge_v all_o figure_n and_o eatinge_v of_o christ_n body_n absent_a by_o faith_n for_o that_o s._n chrysostome_n say_v not_o only_a ostendo_fw-la tibi_fw-la i_o do_v show_v unto_o thou_o that_o which_o be_v hâ—c_fw-la worthy_a of_o high_a honour_n above_o angel_n and_o archangell_n but_o ostendo_fw-la tibi_fw-la in_o terra_fw-la i_o show_v it_o to_o thou_o here_o upon_o earth_n which_o signify_v the_o presence_n of_o a_o substance_n whereto_o this_o high_a honour_n be_v to_o be_v do_v and_o that_o this_o thing_n be_v see_v touch_v &_o eat_v in_o the_o church_n which_o can_v be_v a_o figure_n nor_o the_o sacramental_a bread_n for_o that_o high_a honour_n be_v not_o due_a to_o they_o nor_o can_v ut_fw-la be_v christ_n absent_v only_o in_o heaven_n for_o s._n chrysostome_n say_v i_o snow_v it_o thou_o here_o on_o earth_n etc._n 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