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A52720 The Catholick letter to the seeker, or, A reply to the Protestant answer shewing that Catholicks have express Scriptures, for believing the real presence, and that Protestants have none at all, for denying it. N. N. 1688 (1688) Wing N32; ESTC R9655 25,181 42

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this True Body and Blood Where That the Bread and Wine are upon Consecration turn'd into the True Body and Blood of Christ c. Which truly are Where 's indeed and one should think that so many Where 's were not without a Wherefore And because the Gentleman desires to know the Where he shall also know the When Mat. 26.26,27,28 Jesus took BREAD and Blessed it and Brake it and gave it to the Disciples and said TAKE EAT THIS IS MY BODY and He took the CVP and gave Thanks and gave it to them saying Drink ye All of It for THIS IS MY BLOOD And There it was and Here it is by Power of these Words of God THIS IS MY BODY THIS IS MY BLOOD that the Bread and Wine are turn'd into the Body and Blood of Christ He doth no say Here as He did when He spake the Parable of the DOOR the VINE and the rest That this Parable spake He unto them or that this BREAD is Like or Likened unto his BODY or a Figure of his BODY but absolutely TAKE EAT THIS IS MY BODY And for such we ought to take it and believe it till the Protestant Answerer be able to produce as plain Scripture against it as I have done for it The Gentleman proceeds and Pag. 11. tells you what their Church holds he should have said of the Real Presence for that was the Quaere and delivers their Opinion in different manners to wit 1. Our Church holds says he That Transubstantiation is Repugnant to the plain Words of Scripture and overthroweth the nature of a Sacrament Art. 28. 2. That the Sacramental Bread and Wine remain after Consecration in their natural Substances and the natural Body and Blood of Christ are in Heaven and not Here. Rubr. after the Com. 3. That the Body of Christ is Given Taken and Eaten in the Supper only after an Heavenly and Spiritual manner and the means whereby the Body of Christ is Received and Eaten is Faith Art. 28 29. And in three Lines after he tells you That there is no other Substance distributed among the Communicants than that of Bread and Wine And these put together make such a Medley that a Man knows not what to believe of it First 'T is Repugnant to the plain Words of Scripture tho' they are not able to produce one Syllable out of the whole Bible to disprove it Secondly The Natural Body and Blood of Christ are in Heaven and not Here tho' at the same time they tell you That the Body of CHRIST who had but One Body is Given Taken and Eaten in the Supper after an Heavenly and Spiritual manner and in Three Lines after denies it again which are such Contradictions that a Bushel of Figures will ne're reconcile 'em For If the Body and Blood of Christ be confin'd in Heaven and not in the Sacrament at all How can the Body of Christ be Given Taken and Eaten in the Supper after any manner Heavenly or Vnheavenly if the Body of Christ be not There at all to be Given Taken or Eaten or how can the Body of Christ be as he says Given Taken and Eaten in the Supper when at the same time he tells you There is no other Substance distributed to the Communicants than that of Bread and Wine As to the Words Heavenly and Spiritual Manner I would They did truly believe it so for then They would believe it as We do that is That the Body of Christ is truly Given Taken and Eaten in the Sacrament after an Heavenly and Spiritual Manner for after a Carnal Sensual Manner We receive it not but this Heavenly and Spiritual Manner We believe to be a True and Real Manner and not a Deceitful Figurative Fictitious Manner as if all that is Heavenly were but Figure and Fancy If You grant the Body and Blood of Christ to be in the Sacrament after a Spiritual Manner you must also grant it There after a True Manner or to be There after a Spiritual Manner is not to be There after a Real Manner If Christ be There in Spirit He is also There in Truth and if There in Spirit and Truth all my Arguments are granted by the Gentleman 's own Concessions as well as Mine Of CHRIST's being Not but where he is Intire Wherefore if Christ be in the Sacrament after any Manner He is There after such an Intire Real and Substantial Manner as We believe and profess Him or He is in no Manner There at all for Christ is Not at all but where He Truly and Intirely is In the Twelfth and Thirteenth Pages of the Protestant Answer the Gentleman produceth all the Scriptures he had or at least all the chiefest Texts he could to disprove our Doctrine of the Real Presence and Being of CHRIST's BODY and BLOOD in the Sacrament Which Scriptures by Him produced Against it together with those by Me alledged and assigned For it are as followeth The Catholick Texts for the Real Presence I. St. John 6. v. 48. I am that Bread of Life says Christ II. Vers 49. Your Fathers did eat Manna in the Wilderness and are Dead III. Ver. 50. This is the Bread which cometh down from Heaven that a Man may Eat thereof and not Die. IV. Vers 51. I am the Living Bread which came down from Heaven If any Man Eat of this Bread he shall Live for ever and the Bread that I will give is my Flesh which I will give for the Life of the World. V. Vers 54. Whoso Eateth my Flesh and Drinketh my Blood hath Eternal Life and I will raise him up at the last Day VI. Vers 55. For my Flesh is Meat indeed and my Blood is Drink indeed VII Vers 56. He that Eateth my Flesh and Drinketh my Blood dwelleth in Me and I in Him. VIII Vers 57. As the Living Father hath sent Me and I live by the Father so he that Eateth Me even he shall Live by Me. IX Vers 58. This is that Bread which came down from Heaven Not as your Fathers did eat Manna and are Dead He that Eateth of this Bread shall Live for ever X. St. Matt. 26. v. 26. And as they were Eating Jesus took Bread and Blessed it and brake it and gave it to the Disciples and said Take Eat This is my Body XI Vers 27. And he took the Cup and gave Thanks and gave it to them saying Drink ye all of it XII Vers 28. For This is my Blood of the New Testament which is shed for many for the Remission of Sins XIII St. Mark 14. v. 22. And as they did Eat Jesus took Bread and Blessed and brake it and gave to them and said Take Eat This is my Body XIV Vers 23. And He took the Cup and when he had given Thanks he gave it to them and they all Drank of it XV. Vers 24. And He said unto them This is my Blood of the New Testament which is shed for many XIV St. Luk. 22. v. 19.
And He took Bread and gave Thanks and Brake it and gave unto them saying This is my Body which is given for you This do in Remembrance of Me. XVII Vers 20. Likewise also the Cup after Supper saying This Cup is the New Testament in My Blood which is Shed for you XVIII 1 Cor. 11. v. 23. For I have Receiv'd of the LORD that which also I Deliver'd unto you That the Lord JESVS the same Night in which He was Betray'd took Bread. XIX Vers 24. And when He had given Thanks He Brake it and said Take Eat This is my Body which is Broken for you This do in Remembrance of Me. XX. Vers 25. After the same manner also He took the Cup when He had Supp'd saying This Cup is the new Testament in my Blood This do ye as oft as ye Drink it in Remembrance of Me. XXI Vers 26. For as often as ye Eat this Bread and Drink this Cup ye do shew the LORD's Death till He come XXII Vers 27. Wherefore whosoever shall Eat this Bread and Drink this Cup of the LORD Vnworthily shall be guilty of the Body and Blood of the LORD XXIII Vers 28. But let a Man Examine himself and so let him Eat of that Bread and Drink of that Cup. XXIV Vers 29. For he that Eateth and Drinketh Vnworthily Eateth and Drinketh Damnation to himself not discerning the LORD's Body The Protestant Texts against It. I 1 Cor. 11. v. 23 24. The Lord JESVS the same Night in which He was Betray'd took Bread and when He had given Thanks He brake it and said Take Eat This is my Body which is Broken for you this do in Remembrance of Me. II. St. Mat. 26. v. 27 28 29. And He took the Cup and gave Thanks and gave it to them saying Drink ye all of it for This is my Blood of the New Testament which is shed for many for the Remission of Sins I will not Drink henceforth of this Fruit of the Vine until I drink it New with you in my Father's Kingdom III. St. Mar. 14. v. 23 24. And He took the Cup and when He had given Thanks He gave it to them and they all drank of it and He said unto them This is my Blood of the New Testament which is Shed for many IV. St. Luk. 22. v. 19 20. And He took Bread and gave Thanks and Brake it and gave unto them saying This is my Body which is given for you This do in Remembrance of Me Likewise also the Cup after Supper saying This Cup is the New Testament in my Blood which is Shed for you V. Act. 2. v. 42. They continued stedfast in the Apostles Doctrine and Fellowship and in Breaking of Bread. VI. Act. 20. v. 7. Vpon the First Day of the Week when the Discipies came together to break Bread. VII 1 Cor. 10. v. 16 17. The Cup of Blessing which we bless Is it not the Communion of the Blood of CHRIST The Bread which we break Is it not the Communion of the Body of CHRIST For We being many are one Bread and one Body for We are all Partakers of that one Bread. VIII 1 Cor. 11. v. 26. For as often as ye eat this Bread and drink this Cup ye do shew the LORD's Death till He come Whosoever shall eat this Bread and drink this Cup of the LORD Vnworthily Let a Man examine himself so let him eat of that Bread and drink of that Cup. IX Act. 1. v. 11. This same JESVS who is taken up from you into Heaven shall so come in like manner as ye have seen Him go into Heaven X. Act. 3. v. 21. Whom the Heaven must Receive until the Times of the Restitution of all Things XI St. Luk. 24. v. 39. Behold my Hands and my Feet that it is I my Self Handle Me and see for a Spirit hath not Flesh and Bones as ye see Me have XII Act. 1. v. 3. To whom also He shewed himself alive after his Passion Being seen of them Forty Days XIII 1 Joh. 1. v. 1. Which we have seen with our Eyes which we have look'd upon and our Hands have handled XIV Heb. 9. v. 28. So CHRIST was once Offer'd to bear the Sins of many and unto them that look for Him shall He appear the Second Time. XV. Heb. 10. v. 12. This MAN after He had Offer'd one Sacrifice for Sins for ever sate down on the Right Hand of GOD. XVI Phil. 3. v. 21. Christ has a Glorious BODY Thus having truly laid down the Scriptures on both sides I doubt not but it doth appear that the Texts brought on the Catholick Part are abundantly sufficient and plain for the Being of Christ's Body and Blood in the Sacrament and that Those produced on the Protestant Part are also expresly For it or not at all Against it for that it is impossible to bring one Text out of the whole Bible to prove That the Body and Blood of Christ is not in the Sacrament as in effect is confessed by the Protestant Answ Pag. 3. where he says That the Church of England do hold several Doctrines which are not contain'd in Express Words in Scripture for says he besides their Positive Articles they have a great many Negative Ones So that to require plain and express Words of Scripture to prove that such a Doctrine is not there Taught is says he to demand a Proof the thing is not capable of Wherefore the denying of the Real Presence being one of their Negative Doctrines or Articles it 's plain That the Gentleman doth not pretend to produce those Texts to prove That the Body and Blood of Christ is not in the Sacrament but lays 'em before you hoping you 'll think they do because the Word Bread is mentioned says he Pag. 15. Five times by St. Paul after he recited the Institution Very good and why not the Word BREAD I pray as well as the Word CVP seeing by the Word BREAD is meant the Communion of the Body of Christ as by the Word CVP 1 Cor. 10.16,17 is signified the Communion of the Blood of Christ And besides St. Paul mentions not the Words CVP and BREAD but he explains them to be the Body and Blood of Christ as 1 Cor. 11.26 where he tells ye As often as ye Eat this BREAD and Drink this CVP ye do shew the Lord's Death till He come which Death of the Lord was not shewn but by Offering up of his True and Real Body and Blood And Ver. 27. he tells ye Whosoever shall Eat this BREAD and Drink this CVP of the LORD VNWORTHILY shall be guilty of the BODY and BLOOD of the LORD Wherefore if it were not the Body and Blood of the LORD how could they be guilty of the Body and Blood if the Body and Blood be not there to be guilty of And further Ver. 28 29 He that Eateth and Drinketh VNWORTHILY Eateth and Drinketh DAMNATION to himself not discerning the LORD's BODY which still confirms it
more ample for believing the Latter to be the Body and Blood of CHRIST than for believing the Formers to be the Holy Ghost As to the Eight last Texts which the Gentleman has produc'd to disprove our Doctrine of the Real Presence to wit Act. 1. v. 11. Act. 3. v. 21. St. Luk. 24. v. 39. Act. 1. v. 3. 1 Joh. 1. v. 1. Heb. 9. v. 28. Heb. 10. v. 12. Phil. 3. v. 21. they no way relate to the Sacrament but to the Resurrection and Ascension of CHRIST's Body From whence he concludes That CHRIST is confin'd in Heaven only and can be no where else till He comes to judge the Quick and the Dead and of consequence fixt at the Right Hand of the Father and cannot be as We suppose in Heaven and Earth in so many Places at the same Time. Which barren Conceit of CHRIST is sufficiently Answer'd Pag. 15 16. where it is prov'd from Scriptures That although CHRIST Ascended and be in Heaven yet it argues not but that He is and may be on Earth too For That He is a Perfect and an Omnipotent GOD and has promis'd Mat. 28. v. 20. That He will be with us always even to the End of the World And Mat. 18. v. 20. That Where Two or Three are gather'd together in his Name that He is in the midst of them And further it appears That our Saviour is not so Confin'd in Heaven as that He cannot also be upon Earth for we read That He Descended and overthrew Saul in the Way to Damascus and spoke to him saying Act. 9. v. 4 5. Saul Saul why persecutest thou me And he said Who art thou Lord And the Lord said I am JESVS whom thou persecutest Wherefore the Gentleman's Notion of CHRIST's being only in Heaven you see is frivolous for that CHRIST not only spake with Saul in the High-way but has promis'd as before To be with us always even to the End of the World. And it 's further prov'd That CHRIST may be actually Present without being Seen For when He spake to Saul the Men that Travell'd with him to Damascus stood by Act. 9. v. 7. speechless hearing a Voice but seeing no Man. By all which it 's plain That CHRIST may be on Earth and in many Places at the same Time as well as in Heaven or else He could not be with us always even to the End of the World nor with Saul in the Way nor in the Midst of all the Assemblies of the Faithful that are gather'd together in his Name in so many Places throughout the World at one and the same Time. The Gentleman's Arguments are therefore of no Effect which P. 15 16. he brings to prove Christ only in Heaven and no where else For although those Texts do prove the Resurrection Ascension and Being of CHRIST in Heaven yet they do not at all destroy the Power of CHRIST's being in divers Places at the same Time according to his Divine Will. And please to note That it is impossible for any thing to be in the Will which is not in the Power of GOD. Wherefore as it was in his Will proved by his Word to give us Bread to Eat which should be his Flesh so it was in his Power that That Bread should be his Flesh tho no more Tasted in the Sacrament than Seen when He spake unto Saul And that He whose Greatness the Heavens are not able to contain had both the Power and the Will to be Conceived in the Womb of the Blessed Virgin contrary to the Course of Nature where from almost Nothing He encreased to be Born a Child-God and to Die a God-Man and in whose Power it was to pass with his Body Intire through Walls or Doors that were close in his Power likewise it is to be Contained in the smallest Particle of Bread. Wherefore with the Believing Disciples let us Believe and not with the Murmuring Jews Doubt how he could give us his Flesh to Eat and his Blood to Drink nor with the Incredulous Disciples say 'T is an hard Saying who can hear it nor for this Cause go back as they did and walk no more with CHRIST as They do who deny the Being of his Body and Blood in the Sacrament so expresly confirmed by Him in whose Word there is no Contradiction Wherefore the Defect is not in the Word but in the Carnal Imagination of Those who have not Faith to Believe it nor Scripture to Disprove it nor is it Hard but to the Obstinate nor Incredible but to the Incredulous Wherefore to conclude I humbly submit the whole to your Prudent Consideration and Remind You of your Resolution Pag. 5. That You would be either Catholick or Protestant as the Verdict upon this Tryal should go and that the Success should depend upon the Evidence which Evidence in your Opinion was the Bible and that whoever produced the fullest and clearest Testimony had the Truth on his side Wherefore as you Value the Eternal safety of your Soul please seriously to distinguish and Peruse the Texts which I have assigned for it and those which the Protestant Answerer has brought against it and I doubt not but it will appear That the Scriptures assigned on the Catholick part are abundantly Expressive and Plain for the Being of Christ's Body and Blood in the Sacrament and that the Scriptures produced on the Protestant part are also Expresly for it or not at all against it For that what I have offer'd is the Express Word of GOD who promising said That the Bread which He would give was his Flesh which He would give for 〈◊〉 Life of the World and performing Took Bread Blessed it Brake it 〈◊〉 gave it saying Take Eat This is My Body which Words of Promise a●… Performance are Positive and have never yet by Divine Authority b●… contradicted for that 't is impossible to produce one Syllable out of t●… whole Bible to prove the contrary Wherefore seeing that Protesta●… cannot prove by Express Scripture That the Bread which Christ Bl●…sed and gave at his Supper was not his Flesh and that Catholicks ca●… and do that it was I hope You will be so much the more convinc'd 〈◊〉 believe the REAL PRESENCE by how much the Words of GO●… are more powerful than the Arguments of MAN I say than the A●guments or Words of Man for that the Arguments alledged by t●… Protestant Answerer against the Real Presence are all of Man and n●… of God they are His Words and not the Words of God Whereas tho●… Absolute and Express Take Eat This is my BODY are the Words 〈◊〉 God and not of Man and He neither has nor can produce one Tex●… to contradict them Wherefore I expect to hear of your Satisfactio●… and Declaration for the Catholick Faith in this particular and n●… that You behave your Self like those Frivolous Vain and Impertine●… Enquirers who when convinc'd of One Point mind it no more b●… desire to be satisfied of Another assuming as it were an assurance 〈◊〉 themselves that tho' We are right in the Real Presence we may be wro●… in reference to the Infallibility and if right in That such is their Ign●rance to think We Err in Praying to Saints use of Images Purgato●… or in something else they know not what And thus like Mag-Py●… they Chatter and Hop from Bush to Bush from Point to Point witho●… fixing upon Truth as they ought to do where ever they find it Wherefore I pray be Satisfied in This of the Real Presence or Pr●pose your Doubts before You proceed to the Infallibility of the Churc●… or to any other Point of Faith in Difference betwixt Us and t●… Church of England for so You will be Stedfast to something and n●… be wavering and Carried away with every Wind of Doctrine b●… Fix your Standard among the Faithful and Encamp with the Host 〈◊〉 the Ever-Living and All-Powerful GOD for the Security and Etern●… Peace of your Soul Which Peace that You may Enjoy for all Ete●nity is Prayed for by Him that is SIR Yours in all Christian Duty N. 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take his Word when he tells us The Son of Man was Sealed of GOD the Father and Believe him without calling of GOD to question How or diving into the secrets of Heaven So How he came down c. and the rest of his How 's if they are not sufficiently plain in the Bible so as to be clearly understood I 'll agree with the Gentleman and submit to the determination of the Church and so must YOV and all the SEEKERS in England if what the Protestant Answerer Insinuates be true For if these express and plain words of Christ be a Figure where he says as plain as plain can be That he would give us BREAD to Eat which should be his FLESH and accordingly He took Bread and Blessed it and Brake it and gave it saying TAKE EAT THIS IS MY BODY I say if these words are Figurative and must not be properly understood I see no Reason why the whole Bible should not be a Figure too For if ever CHRIST was Plain in any thing 't was in this especially in a Point wherein there was never more occasion to Expound if a Figure than when the Jews to whom He came murmur'd and said How can this Man give us his Flesh to Eat and when some of the Disciples said It was an hard saying who could hear it and thereupon walked no more with Him He that in Cases of less Moment always explain'd his Parables should yet be Dark and Figurative in This of that Importance which occasioned not only the Murmuring of the Jews and Departure of the Disciples Then but also occasions as CHRIST well foresaw our differences at This Day Should He I say explain Himself in matters of less weight and yet be Dark in this great Concern is what would be contrary to his Wisdom and Goodness But so far was CHRIST from meaning otherwise than plainly as he spake that to the murmuring Jews he confirms it vers 53. with a Verily verily I say unto you Except ye EAT the FLESH of the Son of Man and DRINK his BLOOD ye have no Life in you and to the Unbelieving Disciples vers 61 62. with a Doth this offend you What if ye shall see the Son of Man ascend up where he was before Whereas when he spake by Parables He explain'd himself to them as Mat. 13.3 And he spake many things to them in Parables saying Behold a Sower c. or when he spake by way of Similitude as Mat. 18.23 Therefore is the Kingdom of Heaven LIKENED unto a certain King. Mat. 20.1 For the Kingdom of Heaven is LIKE unto a Man that is an Housholder Mat. 22.1,2 And JESUS answered and spake unto them again by PARABLES and said The Kingdom of Heaven is LIKE unto c. Mat. 23.1 Then shall the Kingdom of Heaven be LIKENED unto Ten Virgins c. See Mark 4.2 Mark 12.1 Luke 12.16 Luke 13.18,19 Luke 15.3 Luke 19.11 Luke 20.9 and you 'll find that in all Cases CHRIST spake not by PARABLES without telling them it was so and Expounding the same unto them But because the Gentleman is more particular pag. 22. upon that of CHRIST's being a Door a Vine a Rock c. let 's see whether the Parity 'twixt I am the DOOR the VINE c. be the same with The BREAD that I will give is my FLESH which I will give for the Life of the World or with what he said at his Last Supper when He took BREAD and Blessed it and Brake it and Gave it and said TAKE EAT THIS IS MY BODY without ever Explaining a Syllable to the contrary Whereas in that of the DOOR John 10. the Text tells us It was a PARABLE saying Vers 6. This PARABLE spake JESUS unto them c. Wherefore if the Protestant Answerer would be so kind as to produce as plain Scripture for this of the Sacrament's being a Figure as I have done for the Door 's being a Parable he 'll doubtless oblige YOV and certainly gain a Proselyte of ME. And in like manner of the Vine CHRIST saith Joh. 15.1 I am the True VINE and my Father is the Husbandman as before Mat. 20.1 where he likened the Kingdom of Heaven to a Man that is an Housholder and so goes on Explaining the same saying Vers 4. As the Branch cannot bear fruit of it Self except it abide in the VINE no more can ye except ye abide in ME which if you read the Chapter you 'll find to be more plain And in like manner of the ROCK That he was the CORNER STONE upon which the Foundation was laid and no other Foundation can any Man lay than what CHRIST has lay'd for on Him is Built the whole structure of our Salvation Wherefore whether these Parables of the DOOR the VINE c. be as plain as TAKE EAT THIS IS MY BODY be You or any Impartial Soul the Judge in his own Conscience As to what he says Pag. 9. That if the Words are Literally to be understood they would rather Infer the Conversion of Christ's Flesh and Blood into Bread and Wine For Proof whereof let 's go to the Words of Conversion themselves Mat. 26.26,27,28 where it is said Christ took Bread and Blessed it and Brake it and gave it and said Take Eat This is My BODY he doth not say Take Eat my BODY is this BREAD And in like manner of the CVP For this is my Blood which Words This is my BODY This is my BLOOD are the Words of Conversion and do no ways imply a Change of Christ's Flesh into Bread nor of his Blood into Wine but to the contrary they plainly Infer the Conversion of Bread and Wine into both the Body and Blood of Christ As to the Texts he brings from the 6th of St. John there was no Conversion then made nor do They make for him Besides that he who but just now Pag. 6. of his Answer told us That this Discourse in St. John had no special Reference to the Sacrament should now apply them notwithstanding is an odd way of shifting however as 't is these are the Words John 6.48,55 I am that Bread of Life For my Flesh is Meat indeed and my Blood is Drink indeed Had the Words been My Flesh is Bread indeed as the Gentleman would fain have them if you observe it Pag. 6. then indeed he would have had something of his side but as they are they make clear against him As to those Words ver 48. I am that Bread of Life methinks they are sufficiently explained by the following Texts where he says v. 50. This is the Bread which cometh down from Heaven ver 51. I am the Living Bread c. which Bread he tells us plainly is his Flesh saying Ver. 51. And the Bread that I will give is my Flesh and not that the Flesh which He would give was Bread But that That Bread was his Flesh which as said is sufficiently plain if not rather than differ I 'll joyn in Opinion with