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A31590 The converted Presbyterian, or, The Church of England justified in a serious discourse between George, a devout English Protestant, and Andrew, a zealous Scotch Presbyterian, touching some practices in the Church of England. Chamberlayne, Edward, 1616-1703. 1668 (1668) Wing C1838; ESTC R11512 7,878 13

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that neither bowing towards the Altar nor standing up at Glory be to the Father c. nor to be bare-headed all the timewe are within the Church nor many other things are commanded us by any express Order of the Church which yet are lawfully laudable and Piously performed by us only by virtue of Catholique or Universal Custom which is to be regarded alwaies as an implicit command of the Church by all that will own themselves Sons of the Church And therefore our Church thought it superfluous to command such things as being so usual and well known none but meer cavillers would ever scruple to do Andrew Truly George you have given me better satisfaction herein than ever I had before and I much wonder that your Pastors in England do not take some pains to instruct rightly their People in this and some other points if they did so do then certainly there would not be so many Non-Conformists nor such diversity and confusion in most Churches of England But before we part let me intreat you to satisfie me if you can in one thing more which hath given much offence to me and my Brethren both in Scotland and England and that is the word Altar which you use for the Communion-Table as if it were intended to introduce the Jewish Sacrifice or at least the Popish Transubstantiation George Good Andrew you must know that all the ancient Fathers both of the Eastern and Western Christian Church have ever very frequently so called the Communion-Table so the Apostle of the Gentiles St. Paul saith expresly Heb. 13. 10. We have an Altar Now why may not we nay why ought not we to imitate herein as in other things the said Apostle of the Gentiles and all the Holy Fathers of the Primitive Church who lived after Judaism was extirpated and before the Popish Transubstantiation was once dreamt of especially so long as we use the word Altar in that Catholique and Universal sense which they ever used the same Let none then slander us for our way of Worship but let all Men know that we Worship not the Altar but the only true God in a Regular Uniform Orderly way towards the Altar Andrew But good George there is yet another bowing in the Church of England wherein I am not well satisfied and have been told by some that it is little less than Idolatry and that is Bowing at the Name of Jesus George God forbid Andrew that any Christian should count it Idolatry to Worship his Saviour or to reverence his Name by shewing some token of respect so oft as we hear him solemnly mentioned Especially in the solemn Assembly in his own House whither we resort chiefly and principally to Worship him publickly and to testify our homage that we bear unto him I remember in Spain where the people glory in their loialty and obedience towards their King above other Nations it is the custome as oft as they make mention of their King they uncover their Heads and add Nuestro senior que Dios guarde muchos anios Our Lord whom God preserve many years So Ambassadours at their solemn Audiences being covered yet to shew the great reverence that they bear to the Kings whom they represent they uncover their heads as oft as they make mention of them How much more reason is it that we who profess to be Christians at our Solemn Audiences and Addresses should use some token of reverence and respect toward the King of Kings our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ as oft as we hear him mentioned Andrew Certainly very much there is and yet I have read of an Ambassadour or Nuntio from Pope Paul the fifth to the State of Venice who was observed at his Audience to make no difference between God and his Master in the mention of them adding to each of them Nostro Signore only at the mention of his Master the Pope he always uncovered his head but never at the mention of God George Moreover as there is no other name under Heaven whereby we must be saved but the name of Jesus Acts 4. 10. So the great Apostle to the Philipians saith expresly That at that name every knee should bow both of things in Heaven things on Earth and things under the Earth that is according to the best Expositors That Angels Men and Devils shall reverence that Holy Name Now if any Man will be yet farther contentious and perhaps cavil at the Exposition of this Scripture Let such a one know as the same Apostle said in the like case 1 Cor. 11. 16. That we have no such Custom to do otherwise nor the Churches of God Let him know That to bow or to be uncovered or to express some other outward reverence at the Name of Jesus is a Catholique or Universal Custom amongst Christians which ought to serve for a Law to all us of the Church of England if there were no Cannon to injoyn the same and they deserve not the name of Christians who are so perverse and opinionated as to refuse to comply with other Christians in such general laudable Customs unless by express Law commanded Andrew I thank you for your pains and patience but there is one thing more which now comes in my mind used by divers learned Divines in the English Church wherein I and many others are so much unsatisfyed that we are somewhat scandalized thereat and that is to hear some Men in the Pulpit instead of a Prayer before Sermon to make only a kind of Exhortation to the People to pray for such things as other men amongst us do actually pray for George For that you must know Andrew that in the Churches of England the Desk being intended for Prayer the Pulpit was intended only for Exhortations or Preaching as it is now very abusively called and never for Prayer and that this liberty taken by many private persons to vent their private conceptions in Prayer before Sermon and to make and use them as publique Prayers is a meer innovation introduced first into the English Church by the Puritan Faction long after the Reformation establisht and to this day hath as little Authority as Reason for the same nay there is express Authority against it for by the Act of Uniformity primo El. it is upon grievous Penalty prohibited that in any Church any other open Prayer besides the Liturgy then establisht should be used by any Minister whatsoever Andrew But George what means then your 55th Cannon set forth 1603. which seems to give leave to Preachers to pray their own conceptions before Sermon George Indeed Andrew it hath so seemed to some and it were to be wisht that that Cannon by other words and other Title might better declare the intention of the Makers thereof who certainly did never intend by that Canon to cross and baffle either the forementioned Act for Uniformity or the ancient Canons which expresly forbad that any other Prayers should be used in Publick but those that have been