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A44841 The Quakers house built upon the rock Christ Wherein neither their doctrines, principles, nor practices can be confounded, not disproved; being neither damnable, nor pernitious. As Samuel Hammond hath falsly affirmed in his book called, The Quakers house built upon the sand: or, a discovery of the damnablenes of their pernitious doctrins, in his answer to G.W. which to prove, he lays down seven grounds of delusion, and five arguments of damnable doctrine. But in this answer his seven grounds is proved false in themselves, ...; and his five arguments is proved to be his own false positions, ... as first, he lays down false positions, and then proves them false; and then boasts, as if he had proved our doctrines or principles false: the truth of which is herein clearly made manifest, and wherein he falsly accuseth us, he is justly guilty himselfe. Also the ten fundamentall principles or doctrines of the hireling priest-hood, ... By a servant to the Church of Christ, ... Richard Hubberthorne. ... Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662. 1659 (1659) Wing H3227A; ESTC R221606 34,515 47

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that the letter must give the Knowledge of the spirit when as the true Ministers said That it was the spirit that gave the Knowledge of God and of the Scriptures as all that know God will confesse Priests third Principle That immediate Revelation or Inspiration is not to be expected nor looked for in these dayes and ●hat to expect it is Diabolicall or Divelish Ans. Then there is no Knowledge of the Father to be expected nor looked for in these dayes and to expect the Knowledge of God to be revealed is Diabolicall but this is contrary to Christs words for saith Christ Mat. 11. ●7 No man knoweth the Sonne but the Father neither knoweth any man the Father but the Sonne and he to whom the Sonne will reveale him and they that would not have us to expect to have the Father revealed unto us by the Sonne this i● a damnable Doctrine and we cannot beleeve them For revealed things belong to us as the Apostle said and it pleaseth the Father to reveale his Sonne in us and it pleaseth the Sonne to reveale the Father to us and by the Sonne we know the Father and the Scripture testifies of those things but doth not reveale those things unto any And they are they which testifies of me saith Christ Iohn 5. 39. Priests fourth Principle That that which is contained or Written in the Bible which appears visibly to the externall sences is the Gospel Ans. Nay For Christ the power of God who is the riches of the glory of this Mistery which was hid from Ages and Generations which was Christ in them the hope of glory is the Gospel which the Apostles Preached Col. 1. 26. 27. 28. And the Apostle said If our Gospel be hid it is hid to those that are lost whom the god of the world hath blinded their minds lest the light of the glorious Gospel of Christ which is the Image of God should shine in their hearts 2 Cor. 4. 3. 4. Now the Gospel which was the Mistery was hid to the unbeleevers but the unb●l●●v●rs can see the Bible with their exter●all Eye and heare it with their exte●nall Ea●e and yet the Gospel hid unto them so that is not the Gospel which the naturall man with his naturall carnall externall sences 〈◊〉 s●e or heare and so these Principles is false and contrary to the Scriptures which hold such things Priests fifth Principle That the Flesh of Christ is not in them Ans. Then wh●● is that flesh which Christ saith Except ye eate my flesh and drinke my blood ye have no lefe in you John 6. 53. And whosoever eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood hath eternall life and I will rayse him up at the last day For my flesh is meat indeed and my blood is drink indeed He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood dwelleth in me and I in him As the living Father hath sent me and I live by the Father so he that eateth me even he shall live by me John 6. 54. 45. 56. 57. Here you have made it manifest that the flesh of Christ you know not you are not flesh of his flesh and bone of his bone as the Saints was neither doe you dwell in him nor he in you neither have ye eternall life in you by eating of his flesh and drinking of his blood But we that are in Christ and he in us as he liveth by the Father so we live by him and his flesh to us is meat indeed and his blood is drinke indeed and we doe witnesse his flesh to be spirituall and not carnall as you say and it feeds the spirituall man and so have eternall life abiding in us But you that know nothing but carnall flesh which the carnall man feeds upon as Christ said to the Pharisees so say I unto you that you have not his Word abiding in you John 5. 38 and ye have neither heard his voyce nor seen his shape ver. 37. nor known his flesh Priests sixth Principle That Christ had and hath a naturall carnall Body and is in Heaven with a naturall carnall Body and hath an humane carnall fleshly Body joyned to his Divinity and is in Heaven with it Ans. This Principle is contrary to the Testimony of Scripture for there is no such thing said of Christ in the Scriptures that he is in Heaven with such a Body For the Scripture saith there is a naturall body and there is a spirituall Body 1 Cor. 15. 44. And that there are celestiall bodies and bodies terrestriall and the glory of the celestiall is one and the glory of the terrestria● is another And that it is sowne a naturall body but is raysed a spirituall body The 〈◊〉 Adam was of the Earth ●a●thy the second was the ●ord from Heaven Howbeit that was not first which is sp●ritu●ll but that which is naturall and afterward that which is spirituall Now we say that Christ was raysed with a spirituall body and is at the right hand of his Majesty on high in a spirituall glorified body and not in a carnall fleshly naturall body For the terrestriall body of the first Adam in the transgression was naturall carnall and fleshly and this was the vile body which was to be changed And we doe beleeve that the bodies shall be changed from naturall carnall and fleshly and made lik● unto his glorious body in which he is in Heaven And this which you have held in this particular is concrary to the Scriptures and the Apostles Doctrine and also contrary to the judgement of many of your own Priests and Brethren For they hold that the bodies shall be made spirituall and that the Saints must enter into Heaven with glorified Bodies And if the Saints must be in Heaven with spirituall glorified bodies and Christ with a naturall carnall fleshly Body this is not proportionable nor according to truth Priests seventh Principle That Timothy received not the Gospel from God but from ●an viz. from Paul Ans. Then it would but have been of little effect to them that heard it from him but I shall bring in Paul as a witnesse against you in this For Paul saith to Timothy Neglect not the gift that is in thee which was given thee by Prophosie 〈◊〉 Tim. 4. 14. so that his gift came by Prophesie from the spirit of the Lord and not from Paul though Paul was a Father unto him And againe Paul said Stirre up the gift of God which is in thee For God hath not given us the spirit of feare but of power of love and a sound mind 2 Tim. 1. 6. 7. so that Timothy received his Gospel from God by the spirit of his power and of love and from the gift of God in him he Preached and not from man her by man And cursed be the deceivers which would draw people from the Gospel of God unto mans Traditions as such Priests seek to doe Now if you had onely said that you have not received any Gospel from God
man the Keeper of the Mute-hall to betray the truth and to breake his promise as the Chiefe Priests ●yred Judas to betray Christ they gave him thirty pieces of silver to betray the just and thou gave this man thirty pence to break his Word and promise which he had made to the servants of the Lord and in love to the truth And thou saith thou gave it him to prevent the Quakers temptings Ans. Oh! foolish man thou makes it worse and worse Is money a means to keep men from temptation Didst thou not rather with the thirty pence tempt him to be unfathfull to the Lord and to break his promise And as without money Judas would hardly have been tempted to have betrayed Christ neither as thou supposeth would this man to have broke his promise and to resist the truth For thou saith thou considering that he might murmurre at your hindering of his gaine therefore you gave it him so then it seems it was not any convincement from your Doctrine nor any faith that he had in you that you were of God and we not but by tempting him with words and getting him into a ●●avish feare and then giving him money which if once the witnesse of God arise in him and he see the guilt of his treachery by your tempting words and money he may come to give you your money againe and tell you that the cu●se of God was in it and that by that thirty p●●c● he did sell the truth and bought it not But glory and everlasting prayses be to the Lord for ever that dayly brings your hidden things of darknesse to light and makes manifest the counsells of your hearts whereby all your temptings with money and words is discovered and that is but carnall weapons to defend your selves withall and with that you cannot keep the truth ●ut of New-castle but God hath a seed which he wild gather from amongst you which cannot be tempted neither with your words nor your money for you want the sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God so you must make use of carnall weapons money and flattering words to keep people in the wayes of sinne and death telling them that the Lord is amongst you and that no evill will come upon them speaking peace to them that live in iniquiry as the false Prophets did Mal. 3 15. and ye have wearied the Lord with your words which have been without spirit and life Mal. 2. 17. This is given forth to stop the ignorance of foolish men and that none may glory in their shame as Samuel H●mmond hath done of his Book in his Letter to A. P. wherein he desires him not to be offended with the seeming harshnesse of the Assertions and saith that he hath written nothing but truth and the mind of Christ c. but what is here declared it is manifest to all that desire to know truth from deceipt that he hath travelled in iniquity and brought forth lyes and wearied himselfe for very vanity Hab. 2. 13. and though his Aspersions is come forth in harshnesse against us yet we shall render him truth for lyes and love for harshnesse as Christ hath taught us and so heap coales of fire upon his Head NOw there remaines some-thing that people may take notice of which is the Fundamentall Principles or Doctrine of that Priest-hood there being severall of their Brethren of that Priest hood met together in a dispute with some of us in Branspith-castle upon the 21. day of the seventh Moneth affirmed as followeth Josias Dockerey affirmed and the rest assented 1. That they have the Scriptures and their Gospel not from God but from Men 2. That there is no knowledge of the Spirit without the Scriptures 3. That immediate Revelation or Inspiration is not to be expected nor looked for in these dayes and that to expect it is Diabolicall or Devilish 4. And that that which is contained or Written in this very Volume laying his Hand upon the Bible and that which appears visibly to h●s externall sences is the Gospel 5. That the flesh of Christ is not in them 6. That Christ had and hath a naturall carnall Body and is in Heaven with a naturall carnall body and hath an humane carnall fleshly Body joyned to his Divinity and is in Heaven with it 7. That Timothy received not this Gospel from God but from man viz. from Paul Rich. Frankling affirmed 8. That Grace could not be conveyed to any man from the Lord without the ordinary outward means of Preaching 9. That the light spoken of in John 1. which enlightens every man c. is not sufficient to leade up to Christ Hen. Leaver 10 That they knew no such thing as Prophesie by immediate I●spiration or Revelation in these dayes These things are their Principles and Doctrines which they Preach to people to beleeve and is but their own Tradition contrary to the Principles of the Doctrine of Ch 〈…〉 and the Testimony of Scriptures Ans. Now as to the first if not from God but from man they have received their Gospel then it is not that which the Apostle Preached but another And saith the Apostle though we or an Angell from Heaven Preach any other Gospel unto you then that which we have Preached unto you let him be accursed Gal. 1. 8. For saith he in the 12. verse I neither receiued it of man neither was I taught it but by the Revelation of Jesus Christ so no other Gospel received in any other way is to be received or beleeved for the Gospel is the power of God as Rom. 1. 16. I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ for it is the power of God to salvation to every one that beleeveth c. Now to say tha● they receive the power of God from man not from God is ignorance and error and to say that the Letter is the Gospel is as great ignorance and error and that Gospel 〈◊〉 accursed and he that Preaches it which is not received from God Now as to the second Pr. That there is no knowledge of the Spirit without the Scriptures Ans. If they had said that there had been no knowledge of Scriptures without the Spirit then they had spoken the truth whereas now they have spoken the plaine contrary for the Spirit gives the Knowledge of the Scriptures but the Scriptures gives not the Knowledge of the Spirit and the Apostle was of another judgement and Principle for saith he the letter killeth but the spirit giveth life and it is the spirit that quickneth John 6. 63. And John said they knew that they dwelt in God and he in them because he had given them of his spirit 1 John 4. 13. And Paul was an able Minister of the Testament not of the letter but of the spirit for the letter killeth but the spirit giveth life 2 Cor. 3. 6. now those before mentioned hath manifested that they are Ministers of the letter not of the spirit and so Preaches
but from man many would have beleeved you for they know it is so but when you charge your own guilt upon the Apostle and say that he did not receive the Gospel from God but from man herein many wi●l beare witnesse against you for they know and beleeve to the contrary Priests eighth Principle That Gr●ce cannot be conveyed to any man from the Lord 〈◊〉 it 〈◊〉 the ordinary outward means of Preaching Ans. This is to limit God from his spirit and power within and Word in the heart as Rom. 10. to outward Preaching and to ordinary outward means this is blasphemy● as to say that God cannot convey Grace to any man but ●y outward Preaching And if you meane by your outward Preaching the Grace of God hath appeared to all men where your outward Preaching never came But in this all people may see your darknesse and that your offence is not onely against us but against the Apostles and against God himselfe for giving his Grace freely to people who will not be limited by you And by such Doctrines as these the Lord God hath made you to appeare as you are an ill savour in the Nation who goes not about onely to keep people from the gift of God in them but also to limit God from giving good gifts to his children who by the free Grace of God received from him without your outward Preaching shall witnesse against you and your outward Teaching by which he never conveyed 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Priests ninth Principle That the light spoken of in John 1. which enlightens every man c. is not sufficient to leade up to Christ Ans. In him was life and the life was the light of men Iohn 1. 4. And this was the true light which lightene●● every man that commeth into the World ver. 9. Now let all people consider whether the life of Christ which is the light of men be not able to leade to Christ or to the Father For he was the light of men that all men through him might beleeve ver. 7. And here is Christ and his light ●ccused yea his life accused not to be sufficient so it is no great matter if by those men we be accused when neither the Father nor the Sonne nor the holy Apostles of our Lord Iesus Christ can escape their accusation but we are not greater then they and so with patience we shall beare it for it is enough for the servant to be be as his Lord Priests tenth Principle That they know no such thing as Prophesie by immediate Inspiration or Revelation in these dayes Ans. No How should you know any Prophesie by Inspiration that knows not how God can give any Grace but by outward Preaching so you are farre from the gift of Prophesie who are yet ignorant of the spirit of Grace by which God gives Grace unto his children But though you know no such thing yet there is such a thing and the Lord is faithfull who hath promised Ieel 2. that he will powre out his Spirit upon Sonnes and Daughters Servants and Hand maids and they shall Prophesie And there is both Sonnes and Daughters Servants and Hand-maids that now doe Prophesie And there is no Prophesie but by immediate Inspiration And because that Sonnes and Daughters doe now Prophesie being Inspired by the holy Ghost and from the gift of God received therefore is your envy and rag● so great against them because you know no Prophesie nor no Gospel from God but from man and so you are contrary to the Apostles For he would have had Prophesying in the Church and bid them covet to Prophesie But these Priests forbid to Prophesie contrary to the Apostles Doctrine and Writing 1 Cor. 14. 39. Now when people ●ath tryed you What can they expect from you that knowe no Prophesie by Inspiration nor knows no Gospel from G●d nor knowes not the flesh of Christ nor no sufficiency in his light nor his spirituall Body which is in Heaven nor the Gospel which is the power of God nor no Knowledge of God by the Revelation of his Sonne and these being your maine Fundamentall Principles in which you so blasphemously are erred from the Truth it is now high ●nto to turne away from such for many people have been deceived by you for they had thought that you had had the Knowledge of those things which now it is manifest you are ignorant of And now blessed be the God of the spirits of all flesh who hath discovered your ignorance and blindnesse which for a time was hid under a pretence of words but now he hath rent the Vayle of the Covering and he is drying up the Fountaine of your Imaginations from whence your empty Words have proceeded that his life may have place in the Earth which is now breaking forth amongst his Children which are come to the Fathers Teachings which you have laboured to keep them from But now hath the Lord loosed their bands and brought them to his owne Teachings and into his owne Fould where they need no more your false meanings nor cousenings of those words which the Spirit of the Lord inspired in them which gave them forth And the Everlasting Day of God is broken forth upon us though Night be come upon you that you have no Vision and the secrets and Councels of the Lord is shut up from you that you have not a Word from his Mouth But truely the Lord is good to Israel even to them that be of an upright heart And the Lord is with us as a mighty terrible one therefore our persecutors shall stumble and they shall not prevaile they shall be greatly ashamed they shall not prosper their everlasting confusion shall never be forgotten Ieremiah 20. 21. For now is the Lord establishing his Everlasting Covenant with his seed even his Covenant of life and peace with those in whom the Law of truth is in their Hearts and iniquity not found in their l●pps who walk with God in peace and equity and doe turne many away from their iniquities Mal. 2. 5. 6. And this shall all they witnesse that feare the Lord and that walke in the way of his Righteousnesse FINIS