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A04542	A treatise of the ministery of the Church of England Wherein is handled this question, whether it be to be separated from, or joyned vnto. Which is discussed in two letters, the one written for it, the other against it. Wherevnto is annexed, after the preface, A brief declaration of the ordinary officers of the Church of Christ. And, a few positions. Also in the end of the treatise, some notes touching the Lordes prayer. Seuen questions. A table of some principal thinges conteyned in this treatise.	Johnson, Francis, 1562-1618.; Hildersam, Arthur, 1563-1632. aut	1595 (1595)	STC 14663.5; ESTC S117234	146,027	152

from among them neyther have in this or any thing els in theyr constitution the keyes of the kingdome of heaven to open and shut to bynd and loose to remit and retayne according to the word and ordinance of Iesus Christ but the chief ecclesiasticall power and authority among them is in the hands of the Prelalates ād theyr Chauncelors Archdeacons and Officials to be administred according to theyr Canons and constitutions as before is said So is it also with the Priests Churchwardens and people of England But contrarily with the Pastors Elders and people of the Churches of Christ Mat. 16. 16. 19. with 18. 17. 18. 1 Cor. 5. 4. 5. and 2 Co● 2. 6. 7. 8. and 10. 4. 5. 6. Psal. 149. 9. Numb 5. 2. 3. 1 Thes. 5. 12. 14. 2 Thes. 3. 6. 14. 15. Eph. 4. 11. 12. 1 Tim. 5. 17. Act. 20. 28. Rom. 16. 17. Rev. 19. 14. 15. 2 Cor. 6. 14. 15. 16. 28 The popish priests must be discerned from the other people by Surplice tippet square cap etc. So must also the priests of England But not pastors Esa. 30. 22. and 52. 11. 2 Cor. 6. 17. Rev. 18. 4. 1 Tim. 3. 2. and 4. 12. 16. Num. 15. 39. 29 The popish priests by vertue of theyr ordination to that office are capable of induction and institution to any benefice whereto they are presented to receyv the tithes gleavs chrismes oblations and such like maintenance belonging therevnto So are also the Priests of England But so are not any by vertue of ordination to the Pastors office neyther is the Pastors maintenance to be by ti●hes or any other Iewish or popish maner but onely of the Gospell as Christ hath orde●ned 1 Cor. 9. 14 Gal. 6. 6. Rom. 15. 27. 1 Thes. 5. 12. 13. with Heb. 7. 5. 12. Col. 2. 17. 30 The popish priesthood was never appoynted by Christ but is a new ministery devised by man even the man of sinne both in the office entrance administration and maintenance thereof Such is also the Priesthood of England Whereas the Pastors p office q entrance r administration and s maintenance is not any invention of man but the appoyntment of Christ sett downe in his word p Ephes. 4. 11. Rom. 12. 8. q Act. 14. 23. and 6. 2. 3. 5. Numb 8. 9. 10. Heb. 5. 4. 1 Ti. 3. cap. and. 4. 14. Col. 4. 17. r 2 Tim. 3. 16. 17. Ephes. 4. 8. 12. Rō 12. 8. 1 Tim. 3. 15. and 5. 17. 21. and 6. 3. 13. 14. Tit. 1. 7. 9. Act. 15. 6. 22. and 20. 28. 1 Thes. 5. 12. 13. 14. 1 Pet 5. 2. 3. 1 Cor. 4. 1. 2. Gal. 1. 8. 9. s 1 Cor. 9. 14. Gal. 6. 6. 1 Tim. 5. 17. 18. 1 Thes. 5. 12. 13. 31 The popish priesthood is such both in theyr office entrance administration and maintenance as Princes and Magistrates may and ought by theyr authority to abolish it out of theyr dominious Such is also the Priesthood of England in all those particulars But such is not the Pastors place and function Ephes. 4. 11. 12. 13. 1 Cor. 12. 4. 5. 28. Rom. 12. 8. and 13. 3. Heb. 12. 28. 1 Tim. 2. 2. and 5. 17. and. 6. 13. 14. 15. 32 The popish priesthood is such in all the particulars aforesaid as the Lord Iesus will consume with the brightnes of his appearing in the light and power of his Gospell before his second coming Such is also the Priesthood of England Whereas on the contrary the Pas●ors office and function is to continew to the end of the world euē till we all meet together in the vnity of faith and acknowledgmēt of the Sonne of God to a perfitt man vnto the measure of the stature of the fulnes of Christ Ephes. 4. 11. 12. 13. Rom. 12. 5. 8. Heb. 12. 28. 5. 20. 1 Tim. 3. cap. and Math. 28. 17. and 6. 13. 14. 33 Finally therefore the popish priesthood is such as no●e may have any spirituall communion therewith but all ought to forsake and depart from it though all Princes vnder heaven should commaund the contrary Such is also the priesthood of England Whereas on the other side the Pas●ors function is such as is not to be left but to be ioyned vnto in the service of God notwithstanding the prohibition of Princes or any other whomsoever to the contrary Eph. 4. 11. 12. 1 Tim. 5. 17. and 6. 13. 14. 15. Rom. 12. 4 8. 1 Cor. 12. 5. 28. and 14. 37. Mat. 28. 20. Hitherto then have we been both the agreement of the Priesthood of England with the popish ād how both of them disagree from the Pastors office appoynted by Chirst Neyther should we make an end if we would com●are them tog●ther in all things or dilate at large these particulars afor● said This may suffice to show how vntrue it is which Mr. H. affirmeth saying theyr Priesthood differeth in nature and substance as much from the popish Priesthood as light doth from darknes and that it is the same in su●stance with the Pastors office described in the word Let him that readeth consider what hath b●n said and then iudge righteous iudgment Now to proceed thus it followeth in his writing ¶ Mr H. his letter Section 9. VVE have seen hovv vvell our Lavv agreeth vvith the lavv of God in the substance of the Ministers office Let vs consider hovv like they ●e in the ma●or of his outvvard calling vnto his office The vvord ●eq●ireth that he onely should be called to the Ministery that is a man of vnblameable life If it vvould please you to peruse the book of ordering Deacons and Priests you shall fynd it requireth the same The vvord reqaireth that he should be apt to teach So doth our Lavv. The vvord requireth that before he minister he should be approved Our lavv commaundeth that before he be admitted he be by such as are learned examined vvhat gifts he hat● and ability to teach and by the people vvhat his conversation hath ben The vvord prescribeth that the people and flock should approve of and choose theyr Minister Our Lavv commaundeth that none should be admitted to that office but in a solemne assembly and that liberty should be graunted to any in the congregation to obiect vvhatsoever iust impediment that they shall knevv against him The vvord requireth that by the imposition of the hands of the Eldership vvith solemne prayers the Minister should be ordeyned and as it vvere consecrated to that holy office Our lavv requireth the very same In deed I confesse that there is great vvant in our Church in the due execution of these things but that is the fault of the men not of the calling And therefore to your reason that is brought to prove●s Antichristian vsurpers because vve have no other office in the Church but that vvhich the Lavv allovveth you see I may truly and suffiicienly aunsvver that although vve had no other yet have we that in substance vvhich the vvord prescribeth

canons Wherevpon also to note it by the way it followeth that they are not a true Church of Christ. For Christs Church hath alwayes Christs power to excommunicate Whereas these assenblyes have no other power to excommunicate but by the Archdeacon or Lordbischop whose offices be Antichristian And herevpon it is that the more religious any is among them the more he contemneth theyr excommunication Which were a fearefull sinne if theyr Church were a true Church whose bynding on earth were such as bound also in heaven Thirdly I aunswer if theyr ministery and worship of God were according to the word ād law of God then ought all vpon payne of damnation to submit ād ioyne vnto it Now if they do not so vrge it themselves do thereby acknowledg that it is not of God If they do so ●rgeit then they vrge vpon payne of damnation that which is contrary to the word and law of God as hath ben and shall more be showed hereafter Now it followeth in his letter thus Mr. H. his letter Section 3. TO vvhich purpose also I besech you to consider that althoug there is not the least part of Christs ordinances that can be neglected vvithout grievous sinne yet the vvant or neglect of some of these ordinances of Christ vvhich concerne the discipline of his Church and the outvvard calling of the ministers is no such sinne as can make eyther the ministers and governours of our Church Antichrists or our Church an Antichristian and false Church And although divers corruptions remayne in our Church vvhich vvere derived to vs from the Papi●es the least vvhereof I vvill not take vpon me to defendt yet are they not of that nature that can make vs an Antichristian Church For first no one place of Scripture can be found vvherein he is called a● Antichrist or Antichristian vvho holding the truth of doctrine and professing those articles of religion that are fundamētall as you knovv vve do doth 〈◊〉 eyther in iudgment or practise from that rule that Christ hath given for the Discipline of his Church In the prophecy of Daniel Antichrist is described by his Doctrine Dan. 7. 8. 25. So is he in the epistle to the Thessalonians 2 Thes. 2. 10. 11. And in the epistle to Timothy 1 Tim. 4. 1. 2. 3. And in the Epistles of Iohn 1 Ioh. 2. 22. and 4. 3. and 2 Ioh. 7. And in the book of Revelation chap 13. 5. 6. Neyther can you fynd any Antichrist mentioned in the Scripture vvhose doctrine vvas sound Our Saviour Christ calleth him a true Pastour and no hi●●ling vvho leadeth the sheep in at the doore Ioh. 10. 2. that is vvho teacheth no other meanes of salvation but Christ onely vvho is the doore of the sheep Ioh. 10. 7. 9. He affirmeth also that vvhosoever beleveth in his heart and confesseth vvith his mouth that he is that Christ and Messiah promised is a true member of his Church and built vpon a rock against vvhich the gates of hell shall not prevaile If then the doctrine of our Church be sound vvhat vvarrant have you to call●s Antichrists If our pastours offer to lead you vnto salvation through no other doore then Christ hovy dare you that say you are Christs refuse to be guyded by them If our asse●blyes be built vpon that rock hov● can you deny them to be true Churches Aunswer to Section 3. IT is to be noted here first that Mr. H. denyeth not but they stand in grievous sinne by neglecting Christs ordināces secondly that he graunteth they retayne divers corruptions in theyr Church which were derived to them from the Papists How theyr case standing thus by his own confession how can he peswade you or any other to partake with them in such sinnes vnles he would have you also to receiv of theyr plagnes Agayn it is to be observed that ●r H. faith here he will not take vpon him to defend the least of theyr popish corruptions And yet doth cleane otherwise throughout this letter chiefly in his aunswer to the second part of the reason But to omitt this I would desier to have noted down in particular the corruptions remayning in theyr Church which he confesseth were derived to them from the Papists And then let it be iudged whether they be Antichristian Here also it is to be mynded that the ministery and constitution of theyr Church is not charged to be Antichristian because of this that they want or neglect some of Christs ordinances as here he may seem to insinuate but because they have and submitt vnto Antichrists as will appeare in the discussing of them In the meane tyme to omitt many other let him consider first that theyr forcing and confounding in the body of their Church all maner people though never so wicked to stand members thereof is meerly Antichristian and directly contrary to the order of Iesus Christ who hath commanded his people to separate willingly from the world and all false wayes Secondly that the offices of Archbishops Lordbishops Archdeacons and theyr Officials in whom resteth the chief ecclesiasticall power among them are also Antichristian and were never sett by Christ in his Church Thirdly that the offices of the Priests Deacons Dicars s●ipendaryes and the rest of the inferiour ministery among them theyr entrance also into theyr offices theyr administration of them and maintenance in them are not found in the Testament of Christ nor in the Primitive Churches planted by the Apostles but derived from and belonging to the aposta●y of Antichrist and found in his popish pontifi●all and assemblyes even vnto this day Next towching theyr profession he speaketh of I aunswer first that the verball profession of the articles of religion that are fundamentall will no more help them then it doth the Papists who do also verbally and daily repeat and professe in generall the articles of faith called the Apostles treed and the Creed of Athanasius of Nice and Calcedon wherein are briefly and generally conteyned the fudamentall poynts of Christian religion But what avayleth this eyther the one or the other when otherwise in particular all of them in practise and some in judgment deny Christ to be that eternall Prophet Priest and king of his Church howsoeuer in word and generall they both do professe it Secondly I aunswer that the very strength of delusion ād depth of the subtilty of Antichrist by which he deceyveth stādeth in this that he pretendeth to be for ād with Christ ād teacheth many excelēt truths otherwise he would soone be espyed and forsaken whereas now it is a mystery as the Scripture saith hardly discerned and hardlyer avoyded Hereupon it is that among the Papists so many of them are deluded whi●●● the Pope professeth he is not against Christ but for him even his vica● and Peters successor that his Church is the Catholik Church out of which there is no salvation and such like And among these in England likewise whiles theyr

whether he speak of invisible or of a visible Church of God If he speak of invisible he speaketh not to the poynt in question besides that they could not be counted an invisible Church and yet be knowen to be assembled together in Parliament If he speak of a visible Church as he must if he will speak to the purpose and as it seemeth he meaneth because he sayth they were then assembled together then how doth he prove this to be so In deed we deny not but God had his flock and Church even a true visible Church in this Land at the beginning of her Majestyes raigne For we have heard and read that in Queen Maryes dayes there was here a Congregation of faythfull people separated from the rest of the Land and gathered into fellowship together to serve the LORD according to his word and to keep themselves pure from the abominations of Antichrist That this Congregation also chuse them Ministers Elders and Deacons to instruct guyde and serve them in the Lord and that they had theyr holy meetings and showed notable testimonyes of their faith and love So long then as they kept communiō in this way we deny not but they were a true visible Church though it may be in some defects through want of further light and instruction The like we think also of our countreymen that were then at Frankford Geneva and other where beyond seas But when Queen Mary dyed and Queen Elizabeth whom God long preserve came to the Crown then the Masse and some other superstitions of popery being abolished agaynst which these Congregations had witnessed the truth in much affliction they herevpon dissolved and the severall members scattered themselves to theyr parishes here and there throughout the Land commingling themselves in confusion with the rest of the land that were Idolaters and repented not and submitting theyr soules to the Prelates and to the Ministery receyved from and executed vnder them as also to theyr courts canons excommunications and other Antichristian jurisdiction retayned in the Land And so have continued in apostasy from the way of Christ vnto this day Now these Congregations being thus dissolved and the members there of thus standing they were not now any lōger true visible Churches in the order of Christ but fallen into confusion with the world and into spirituall bondage to the Prelates and other Clergy the limmes of Antichrist So as from hence for the poynt in hand M r H. can derive no help for himself But be it that they had remayned still visible Churches in true constitution and had assembled together and committed this authority of ordination to the Prelates Yet this being not warrantable by the word of God it had bound no mans conscience neyther ben sufficient warrant for any to partake in theyr sinnes For the sinfull actions of the Church do not bynd or warrant vs any more then the sinfull actions of the world Neyther can all Churches or Nations vnder heavē make that lawfull which God by his word maketh vnlawfull Though all the people of Israel being the true Church of God enjoyne and commit vnto Aaron to make a molten calfe to go before them Yet was not Aaron therefore bound or warranted therevnto but sinned in so doing as they also did that tooke part thereyn Agayne for example sake let vs suppose that which in deed was not to wit that Moses and Aaron and all that were famous in the Congregatiō yea that the whole Cōgregation of Israel being the true Church should have committed to Corah Dathan Abiram ād theyr company power to take censers and burne incense thereyn before the LOrd yet they being not capable of that power by the Law of GOD neyther might have taken it neyther might any other have communicated with them thereyn but all that would not perish in theyr sinne should have departed from them and theyr tents When Achaz King of Iudah appoynted and Altar to be made after the fashion of the altar of Damascus though the disciples and people of God which at that tyme were in Iudah should have consented thereyn and committed power to Vryah and the other Priests to offer vpon it burnt offrings and peace offrings ād that to no other but the true God Yet should not ●riah or any other therefore eyther have done it or partaken thereyn When Ieroboam King of Israeel toke counsell with his Princes and people and made Priests of the lawest of the people which were not of the sonnes of Levi ād therefore not capable of the Priests office though the ten tribes having ben til this tyme the Church and people of God consented therevnto Yet did not this therefore bynd or warrāt any of them eyther to receyv that office or to joyne vnto them in the worship of God To come nearer our own dayes let vs suppose that which himself will think is as likely if not more thē that he alledgeth to wi● that in this Land was a true Church at the end of King Edwards dayes vvhich being assembled out of all parts of the Lād in Parliament in the beginning of Q Maryes raigne did commit this povver ād authority of ordination to the Prelates vvhereof by the Lavv of God they vvere not capable Yet will not M r H. say but it was vnlawfull notwithstanding for any to seek or receyve ordination from then Otherwise what impiety is there that by this meanes might not be made at least some what tolerable as may appeare by the examples and instāces before mentioned and infinite other that might be alledged The same Parliament whereof he speaketh authorising the book of common prayer did thereyn he knoweth commit power and authority vnto weomē in cases of necessity to baptize whereof by the Law of God they are altogether vncapable will he therefore say it is lawfull eyther for women to administer Baptisme or for any to yeeld their children to be baptized of them because they may reverence and take benefit of the Princes povver ād authority vvhich is of God though it be committed vnto and exercised by such as by the Lavv of God are not capable of it Many mo particulars might be alledged of like nature both out of the Scriptures and Lawes of this and other Nations but for the matter in hand the former allegations may suffice 2. Next where Mr H. sayth that at the beginning of her Maiestyes raigne the Parliament committed this authority to ordeyne Ministers to the Bishops he mistaketh the matter if he think that then first they receyved it For the authority of ordination was not then first committed vnto the Prelates but continued to them from former tymes ād ratifyed vnto them both at that tyme and afterward agayne in the eyght yeare of her Highnes raigne as may appeare by the statu●es then enacted Which it seemeth the Prelates and Priests of the Lād desired because theyr offices and authority being called into question they were not