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A79995 The civil magistrates povver in matters of religion modestly debated, impartially stated according to the bounds and grounds of scripture, and answer returned to those objections against the same which seem to have any weight in them. Together with A brief answer to a certain slanderous pamphlet called Ill news from New-England; or, a narrative of New-Englands persecution. By John Clark of Road-Island, physician. By Thomas Cobbet teacher of the church at Lynne in New-England. This treatise concerning the christian magistrates power, and the exerting thereof, in, and about matters of religion, written with much zeal and judgement by Mr. Cobbet of New-England, I doe allow to be printed; as being very profitable for these times. Feb. 7th. 1652. Obadiah Sedgwick. Cobbet, Thomas, 1608-1685. 1653 (1653) Wing C4776; Wing B4541; Thomason E687_2; Thomason E687_3; ESTC R206875 97,858 126

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Synods also for any hereticall decrees of theirs tending to hurt the State or disturb the Christian societies under his charge and if so then he is in a politicall way to Iudge in matters of Christ and of his Church But the former is true Ergo the latter But is not this to make the Civill Magistrate a Pope Ans No he is by duty tyed to his rule the word and to Iudge according to that Yea but he may erre and the Synod be in the right Ans He may so and so may Ecumenicall Synods erre yet many make them the highest Ecclesiasticall Iudge so here possibility of erring hinders not but that the Civill Magistrate and highest Civil Authority in a State or Commonwealth should be the highest politicall Iudge For standum est in aliquo primo If erring Churches should Ecclesiastically censure godly Rulers for righteous politicall Iudging or censures there is no higher Church Court or Iuridicall Iudge If erring Rulers and highest Civill Courts politically censure the Churches met in their messengers in a Synod for their Godly determinations there or if they censure particular Churches for any righteons censures of offending members at home there is no higher Court or Iudge than the highest in that kind Object The same power that maketh Church Canons must define them and Iudge of them The Synod not the Civill Magistrate maketh Church Canons Ergo the Synod not the Magistrate must define and Iudge of them Ans If this whole argument were granted Yet this hinders not but that the Civill Magistrate may both make Laws about the Church and Church matters in a politicall way and in the like way Iudge of such matters albeit he may make no Laws Formally Ecclesiasticall Nor is his Magistraticall Iudgement as such an Ecclesiasticall Iudgement So that this rather confirmeth the conclusion in hand thus Such as may make politicall Laws about Religion or the Church they may politically also define and Iudge of matters respecting the same but the Civill Magistrate and higher Civill powers may do the former as hath been proved Ergo they may do the latter Object He may say some deny his Civill Sanction to the Synods erring Canons albeit he make no penall Laws that way Ans Even this also suffiseth to make him politicall determiminer and Iudge in such matters yea to make him politicall Iudge of such which dogmatically are the highest Ecclesiasticall Iudges surely he must Iudge the Synods Canons to be erring if he be allowed to deny his Civill Sanction to them as erring Object But the regulated Civill Magistrate being by duty a Member of the Church he hath covenanted subjection to the Church and to the Elders of it Ergo he is bound to own their determinations of things in controversie according to the word else as an offending Brother is he liable to be dealt with in a Church-way Ans It is true supposing they judge according to Christs judgement in the words He that hearreth you beareth me and he that despiseth you despiseth me and so as a covenanted Member Luk. 10. 16. he is bound to hear them and if he by gross contempt of their Counsells when according to Christ do give them offence they may by all good meanes seek to convince such an offending brother and in case he hear not bring it to the Church of which this or that Magistrate is a member and if he hear not the Church he may be cast out of the Church Math. 18. Yet secondly this hindereth not but that that Civill Magistrate is a politicall Judge of others pastorall Judgements whether indeed according to the word before he do establish any conclusions of theirs for Politicall lawes Thirdly Nor doth this warrant any Church to proceed against any Civill Ruler whatsoever for rejecting their erroneous determinations but that it being clavis errans it is an abuse of Church power and bindeth not before God Nor is that What yee bind on earth is bound in heaven verified in the abuse but right use of the power of the keyes whence Christs owning of him whom the Synagogue cast out Joh. 9. 35 Luk. 6. 21 37. 28. 39. Hence a blessing pronounced to some unjustly censured Fourthly Nor doth this hinder but that Civill Authority may and must politically judge of the errors of Synodicall determinations and censure civilly such as make them To shut up all that we would say to what is thus objected In case of a right administration the Civill Magistrate in duty subjecteth his Memberly Judgement to his Pastors ministeriall Judgement but in case of Aberration he may not deliver up to any the supremacy of his Politicall Judgement They herc conclude right who say that neither the Civill Magistrates Politicall Judgement is a certain rule either to Synods or Churches Judgements nor is their Ecclesiasticall Judgement an infallible rule to his Politicall Judgement but the revealed word is the onely infallible rule to both Leaving then to either the supremacy of their severall Judgements to the former Politicall to the latter Ecclesiasticall the Magistrate as a Magistrate cannot define ecclesiastically with reference to Church censures in refusall of such determinations of his the Church as a Church cannot define Politically with reference to Civill rewards and punishments Ob. It may seem that each particular Christian subject is to judge rather what is or what is not according to the word because they are to obey those edicts none are to yield blind obedience to obey this or that Politicall law concerning Religion or the Church as in this or that particular according to God because others Judge so but because himself judgeth so a mans own Judgment is to him his own immediate personal Judge of what he is to act or forbear let every man be fully perswaded in his mind and whatsoever is not of faith is sin And the Contrary Rom. 14. tenent making Civill powers highest earthly Judges what particular things are contrary to the word were a way to open a gap to most bloody persecutions without redress since they may Judge that to be contrary to the word which is not And it were a way to justify the Civill acts and Ecclesiasticall too of Popish governments whereby they have made and executed fiery lawes against the Saints for Heresie as judging it to be Heresie and deserving the Faggot as in the Mariau dayes Ans 1. Be it that a Christian be his own next Judge of what he is to do or not as he is a Christian and in reference to his inward Peace or the breach of it nor is he to pin his personall Judgement of matters of Christ or of his Church upon any others Judgement meerly or chiefly but though he have his particular Iudgement as a private Christian in a Christian way yet that hinders not but that the Civil Magistrate hath his publique Political Judgement in reference to Civill rewards and punishments of what is or is not to be expressed and