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A00916 An adioynder to the supplement of Father Robert Persons his discussion of M. Doctor Barlowes ansvvere &c. Contayning a discouery, and confutation of very many foule absurdityes, falsities, and lyes in M. D. Andrewes his Latin booke intituled, Responsio ad apologiam Cardinalis Bellarmini &c. An answere to the apology of Card. Bellarmine. Written by F.T. ... Also an appendix touching a register alleaged by M. Franc. Mason for the lawfull ordayning of Protestant bishops in Q. Elizabeths raigne. Fitzherbert, Thomas, 1552-1640. 1613 (1613) STC 11022; ESTC S102269 348,102 542

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the_o give_v of_o the_o key_n as_o well_o to_o every_o faithful_a christian_a as_o either_o to_o peter_n or_o to_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o apostle_n say_v videamus_fw-la quomodo_fw-la dictum_fw-la est_fw-la petro_n &_o omni_fw-la fideli_fw-la qui_fw-la petrus_n est_fw-la dabo_fw-la tibi_fw-la clave_n etc._n etc._n let_v we_o see_v how_o it_o be_v say_v to_o peter_n and_o every_o faithful_a man_n which_o be_v peter_n i_o will_v give_v thou_o the_o key_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n and_o then_o he_o proceed_v show_v that_o christ_n promise_v the_o key_n to_o every_o faithful_a man_n in_o reward_n of_o his_o confession_n ut_fw-la ipse_fw-la sibi_fw-la aperiat_fw-la portas_fw-la regni_fw-la caelorum_fw-la etc._n etc._n that_o he_o may_v open_v for_o himself_o the_o gate_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n which_o gate_n also_o origen_n expound_v to_o be_v the_o virtue_n of_o chaslitic_a and_o perfect_a
righteousness_n by_o the_o which_o the_o gate_n of_o heaven_n be_v open_v as_o it_o be_v with_o key_n &_o sic_fw-la say_v he_o in_o singulis_fw-la quibusque_fw-la virtutibus_fw-la and_o so_o also_o in_o all_o other_o virtue_n and_o to_o this_o purpose_n be_v origens_n discourse_n in_o that_o homily_n 5._o now_o than_o who_o see_v not_o here_o that_o he_o leave_v the_o literal_a sense_n altogether_o in_o this_o and_o like_o a_o preacher_n follow_v the_o allegorical_a and_o moral_a thereby_o to_o induce_v his_o audience_n to_o virtue_n and_o withdraw_v they_o from_o vice_n and_o sin_n and_o will_v m._n andrew_n say_v that_o therefore_o origens_n opinion_n be_v that_o peter_n have_v nothing_o promise_v peculiar_o to_o himself_o more_o then_o to_o every_o perfect_a christian_n peter_n so_o shall_v every_o just_a man_n and_o woman_n for_o orig●n_n speak_v of_o all_o alike_o have_v as_o much_o ecclesiastical_a power_n and_o jurisdiction_n as_o peter_n have_v for_o i_o be_o sure_a m._n andrew_n will_n not_o deny_v but_o that_o when_o christ_n promise_v the_o key_n to_o peter_n he_o promise_v to_o give_v he_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n and_o power_n howsoever_o the_o same_o be_v to_o be_v understand_v i_o mean_v whether_o as_o promise_v to_o himself_o alone_o for_o the_o whole_a church_n as_o we_o understand_v it_o or_o as_o promise_v also_o to_o the_o apostle_n equal_o with_o he_o as_o m._n andrew_n and_o his_o fellow_n will_v have_v it_o and_o therefore_o i_o say_v that_o take_v this_o interpretation_n of_o origen_n for_o the_o literal_a sense_n every_o faithful_a man_n or_o woman_n that_o be_v of_o the_o elect_a have_v as_o much_o power_n to_o bind_v loose_a excommunicate_a and_o exercise_v any_o other_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n as_o peter_n and_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o apostle_n have_v yea_o to_o be_v not_o only_a pastor_n of_o christ_n flock_n but_o also_o chief_a pastor_n and_o to_o have_v summam_fw-la rerum_fw-la de_fw-la pascendis_fw-la 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not_o sear_a enough_o to_o our_o sel●es_n found_v it_o will_v 〈◊〉_d import_n though_o it_o 〈…〉_z see_v that_o we_o do_v not_o thereon_o ground_v our_o doctrine_n that_o saint_n hear_v or_o know_v ou●_n prayer_n 〈…〉_z the_o custom_n and_o practice_v of_o the_o whole_a church_n of_o god_n which_o pray_v to_o saint_n 〈◊〉_d therefore_o believe_v that_o they_o hear_v we_o and_o partly_o upon_o evident_a experience_n of_o the_o benefit_n that_o by_o god_n merciful_a providence_n and_o ordinance_n man_n do_v receive_v by_o they_o and_o partly_o also_o upon_o the_o conformity_n thereof_o to_o the_o holy_a scripture_n which_o teach_v not_o only_o that_o the_o angel●_n in_o heaven_n do_v rejoice_v at_o the_o repentance_n of_o sinner_n which_o they_o can_v not_o do_v if_o they_o do_v not_o knee●_n 1●_n it_o but_o also_o that_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o just_a be_v glorify_v 〈◊〉_d aequales_fw-la angelis_n 20._o equal_a to_o angel_n and_o consequent_o have_v the_o like_a knowledge_n that_o they_o have_v beside_o that_o it_o be_v evident_a in_o the_o holy_a scripture_n that_o the_o prophet_n of_o god_n do_v see_v the_o heart_n and_o thought_n of_o man_n 9_o and_o know_v thing_n far_o distant_a from_o them●_n samuel_n tell_v unto_o saul_n all_o that_o he_o have_v in_o his_o hart_n 5._o and_o eliz●●s_n be_v absent_a see_v hi●_n servant_n g●●zi_n take_v gift_n of_o 〈◊〉_d the_o syrians_n and_o discover_v also_o all_o that_o which_o the_o king_n of_o syria_n treat_v in_o his_o cabinet_n 7._o also_o s._n steven_n be_v on_o earth_n do_v see_v our_o saviour_n jesus_n christ_n on_o the_o right_a hand_n of_o his_o father_n in_o heaven_n and_o therefore_o it_o be_v absurd_a to_o imagine_v that_o the_o glorify_a saint_n in_o heaven_n can_v not_o see_v or_o know_v what_o be_v do_v on_o earth_n especial_o such_o thing_n as_o concern_v themselves_o and_o the_o honour_n that_o be_v do_v unto_o they_o for_o god_n great_a glory_n and_o the_o prayer_n that_o be_v direct_v to_o they_o for_o the_o relief_n of_o god_n servant_n last_o s._n john_n in_o the_o apocalypse_n signify_v that_o the_o saint_n in_o heaven_n do_v offer_v up_o the_o prayer_n of_o holy_a man_n on_o earth_n ●●_o which_o they_o can_v not_o do_v if_o they_o do_v not_o understand_v and_o know_v man_n prayer_n 18._o furthermore_o this_o doctrine_n be_v also_o ground_v upon_o the_o clear_a testimony_n of_o the_o father_n who_o teach_v it_o express_o 11._o as_o s._n athanasius_n who_o say_v that_o the_o soul_n of_o saint_n earth_n &_o post_fw-la mortem_fw-la &_o in_o die_v judicij_fw-la cognoscent_fw-la omne_fw-la shall_v know_v all_o thing_n both_o after_o their_o death_n and_o in_o the_o day_n of_o judgement_n and_o nullus_fw-la est_fw-la say_v s._n basil_n ex_fw-la hijs_fw-la qui_fw-la non_fw-la singula_fw-la ubique_fw-la consideret_fw-la there_o be_v none_o of_o these_o he_o speak_v of_o angel_n and_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o just_a who_o do_v not_o consider_v every_o thing_n every_o where_o beside_o that_o he_o call_v the_o 40._o martyr_n commune_v humani_fw-la generis_fw-la custodes_fw-la the_o common_a guardian_n or_o keeper_n of_o humane_a kind_n medium_n s._n ambrose_n also_o say_v that_o martyr_n be_v prae●ules_n &_o spectatores_fw-la actuum_fw-la nostrorum_fw-la the_o governors_n and_o beholder_n of_o our_o action_n 19_o in_o like_o manner_n s._n hierom●_n teach_v ●●_z that_o it_o be_v write_v of_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o just_a in_o the_o holy_a scripture_n si_fw-la quuntur_fw-la agnum_fw-la quocumque_fw-la ierit_fw-la they_o follow_v the_o lamb_n wheresoever_o he_o goethe_v and_o then_o he_o add_v si_fw-la agnu●_fw-la ubique_fw-la etc._n etc._n if_o the_o lamb_n ●e_v every_o be_v therefore_o it_o be_v to_o be_v believe_v that_o those_o also_o who_o be_v with_o the_o lamb_n be_v every_o where_o and_o see_v that_o devil_n go_v all_o the_o world_n over_o and_o by_o reason_n of_o their_o exceed_a great_a celerity_n be_v every_o where_o present_a shall_v martyr_n after_o they_o have_v shed_v their_o blood_n for_o christ_n be_v shut_v up_o as_o it_o be_v in_o a_o coffer_n that_o they_o can_v get_v out_o so_o he_o theodoret_n also_o give_v to_o martyr_n the_o title_n of_o deuce_n principes_fw-la propugnatores_fw-la &_o custodes_fw-la hominum_fw-la etc._n etc._n the_o captayn_n the_o prince_n 8._o the_o defender_n and_o guardian_n of_o man_n by_o who_o say_v he_o those_o mischief_n and_o misery_n which_o devil_n do_v inflict_v upon_o we_o be_v avert_v from_o us._n s._n chrysostome_n call_v s._n peter_n corinth_n and_o s._n paul_n and_o patron_n and_o protector_n of_o the_o emperor_n whereupon_o it_o must_v needs_o follow_v that_o those_o bless_a apostle_n and_o other_o saint_n do_v understand_v the_o action_n and_o necessity_n of_o those_o who_o they_o protect_v and_o defend_v ●●_o 20._o moreover_o s._n augustine_n discourse_v how_o the_o saint_n shall_v see_v god_n in_o heaven_n after_o the_o resurrection_n and_o whether_o they_o shall_v see_v he_o with_o their_o corporal_a eye_n teach_v by_o the_o way_n that_o they_o shall_v then_o see_v all_o thing_n with_o the_o eye_n of_o the_o spirit_n etiam_fw-la unde_fw-la sunt_fw-la corpore_fw-la absentes_fw-la even_o whence_o they_o be_v absent_a in_o body_n and_o this_o he_o prove_v ample_o by_o the_o example_n of_o elizaeus_n who_o be_v absent_a from_o his_o servant_n giezi_n see_v he_o take_v gift_n of_o naaman_n ●_o and_o therefore_o say_v unto_o he_o nun_n cor_fw-la meum_fw-la in_o praesenti_fw-la erat_fw-la etc._n etc._n be_v not_o my_o hart_n present_a with_o thou_o when_o the_o man_n come_v from_o his_o chariot_n to_o meet_v thou_o and_o thou_o take_v the_o money_n whereupon_o s._n augustine_n say_v cord_n svo_fw-la ergo_fw-la se_fw-la dixit_fw-la hoc_fw-la vidisse_fw-la propheta_fw-la etc._n etc._n therefore_o the_o prophet_n say_v that_o he_o see_v this_o with_o his_o hart_n be_v no_o doubt_n admirable_o help_v by_o almighty_a god_n but_o how_o much_o