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A13160 A challenge concerning the Romish Church, her doctrine & practises, published first against Rob. Parsons, and now againe reuiewed, enlarged, and fortified, and directed to him, to Frier Garnet, to the archpriest Blackevvell and all their adhærents, by Matth. Sutcliffe. Thereunto also is annexed an answere vnto certeine vaine, and friuolous exceptions, taken to his former challenge, and to a certeine worthlesse pamphlet lately set out by some poore disciple of Antichrist, and entituled, A detection of diuers notable vntrueths, contradictions, corruptions, and falsifications gathered out of M. Sutcliffes new challenge, &c. Sutcliffe, Matthew, 1550?-1629.; Sutcliffe, Matthew, 1550?-1629. Briefe replie to a certaine odious and slanderous libel. 1602 (1602) STC 23454; ESTC S117867 337,059 440

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In offic beat Mariae to a woodden crosse increase in the godly righteousnesse and pardon sinners and also crux Christi protege me crux Christi defende me ab omni malo and which before the printed face which they call Volto santo pray thus Salue sancta facies impresta panniculo nos ab omni macula purga vitiorum atque nos consortio iunge beatorum argument 62 Catholikes beléeue that their sacrifices of praise are accepted through Christ but papists beléeue that Christes bodie is accepted through the mediation of the priest and of saints the priest in the canon beséecheth God to looke fauourably vpon the body and blood of Christ Supra quae saith he propitio ac sereno vultu respicere digneris and in the missal of Sarum on Batildis day they pray that God would accept their sacrifice viz. of Christes body and blood through the merits of S. Batildis vt haec munera tibi Domine accepta sint say they sanctae Batildis obtineant merita quae seipsam tibi hostiam viuam sanctam bene placentem exhibuit argument 63 Catholikes beléeue that the apostles and their successours receiued the keyes of the kingdome of heauen and power to binde and loose onely vpon earth but the papists beléeue that the pope hath receiued the keyes of the kingdome of hell and purgatory Damascen and other authors of Romish legends tell vs that Gregory the first deliuered Traians soule out of hel and euery pety pope thinketh he is abused if any tell him that he can not let out of purgatory as many as he pleaseth Commonly all papists pray for the dead that they may haue a place of rest giuen them and that their sinnes may be pardoned them as if sinnes might be forgiuen after this life argument 64 Catholikes neither worshipped saints departed nor their images nor the crosse of Christ Hierome in an epistle to Ripatius denieth that any creature is to be worshipped or adored d Lib. 22. deciuit Dei c. 10. Augustine sheweth that Christians did not worship martyrs nor erect temples in honor of them and saith that they gaue thanks and praise vnto God onely at their monuments ecclesia catholica mater Christianorum verissima saith e De morib eccles lib. 1. c. 30. he solum ipsum deum cuius adeptio vita est beatissima purissimè atque castisimè colendum praedicat nullam nobis adorandam creaturam inducens cui seruire iubeamur whereby plainly he excludeth the worship of Doulia f De obitu Theodosij Ambrose declareth that Helene finding the crosse worshipped not the crosse but Christ but the papists worship not onely the saints but dumbe images they say masses in honor of S. Francis and S. Dominicke and diuers other saints they knéele to images and burne incense vnto them finally they giue Latriam that is due by their owne confession to God only to the crosse to the crucifix and to the images of the Trinity argument 65 True catholicks neuer made the images of God the father or the holy trinity nor did thinke it lawfull to worship them with diuine worship but the papists both make such images and allow such worship to be giuen to them argument 66 True catholicks neuer had any psalter in honor of our blessed Lady nor vsed to say a hundred and 50. Auemariaes and after euery fifty Auemariaes one Creed and after euery tenne Auemaries one Pater Noster nay our sauiour expressly forbad his desciples to vse battologies and odious repetitions in their praiers But papists put great religion in our Ladies psalter and in their rosaries and often repetitions of the name of Iesu and of their Auemariaes argument 67 True catholicks neuer coniured salt nor holy water nor oile nor chrisme nor superstitiously sanctified candles crosses and images in such sort as the papists vse to doe neither did they grease stone alters or describe the Gréeke alphabet on the pauement of churches to be consecrated or abuse the scriptures as the papists doe in that act as may appeare by the formulary commonly vsed in such cases that ancient catholicks neuer vsed any such ceremonies it may appeare by the writings of the fathers and also in old rituall books for in them such formes of consecrations exorcizations and such abuses are not to be found argument 68 True g Iohn 4. catholicks worship God in spirit and trueth but the papists place most of Gods worship in externall ceremonies and vse in their worship a tong not vnderstood so that their praiers cannot procéed from the spirit nor be true nor catholicke argument 69 True catholicks neuer worshipped angels h Coloss 2. the apostle Paule doth expressly condemne the worship of them as Chrysostome Theodoret Oecumenius writing vpon the 2. and 3. chap. of the epistle to the Colossians do testifie the councell of Laodicea doth also prohibit the worship of Angels and Saint i De hares c. 39. Augustine numbreth the worshippers of Angels among hereticks Neither may we thinke that they were therefore condemned because they atrtibuted the creation of the world to angels but because they worshipped angels and as Chrysostome homil 7. in coloss 2. affirmeth thought we were to come to God by the mediation of angels and yet papists k Horae ad vsum sacrum pray to angels that they would protect them and driue diuils from them and open their sight they say also masses in their honor set vp lights to them make confession of their sinns to them and all this contrary to the practise of the ancient catholicke church argument 70 Our l Matth. 15. sauiour Christ teacheth that those worship God in uaine which worship him according to the doctrines and commandements of men and therefore all true catholicks haue had principall respect herein to the commandements and lawes of God but the Romish church doth wholy depend vppon the decretales of popes and vaine fancies of men their missals breuiaries offices and whole seruice procéedeth from no other fountaine argument 71 The m Psal 32. prophet declareth that they are blessed whose iniquities are forgiuen and whose sinns are couered and the apostle saith that being instified by faith we haue peace with god and this is the hope of all catholicks that Christ hath reconciled vs to his father and washed away our sinnes and paid a ransome for them on the crosse but this comfort papists doe take from vs that teach and holde that after our sinnes forgiuen we are to satisfie for temporall paines due for our sinnes either here or in purgatory and that such are there to sustaine great torments in which paines and place none but mad men can place felicity argument 72 Catholicks beléeue that through faith we are made partakers of Christs satisfaction the papists beléeue that the pope can apply them by his bulles both in purgatory and in this life according to his lawes argument 73 Catholicks beléeue that no man can satisfie for his
body was taken vp into heauen the apostle Peter also Act. 3. declareth that the heauens must conteine him vntill the time that all things be restored and this the ancient fathers which the aduersaries will not denie to haue béene good catholikes doe cléerely expresse according to his diuine nature saith i Tractat. 33. in Matth. Origen he is not absent from vs but he is absent according to the dispensation of his body which he tooke Saint k Lib. 10. in Luc. 24. Ambrose saith that we are not to seeke Christ either on the earth or in the earth or after the flesh if we meane to finde him Saint l Tractat. 50. in Ioan. Augustine saith he hath caried his body into heauē although he hath not withdrawne his maiesty from the world m Homil. 21. in euangel Gregory the first also doeth plainely affirme that Christ is not heere on earth according to the presence of his flesh the flesh of Christ saith n Lib. 4. contr Eutych Vigilius writing against Eutyches when it was on earth surely was not in heauen and now because it is in heauen certeinly it is not on earth neither did euer any catholike father teach otherwise are the papists then catholikes trow you that contrary to the catholike fathers and catholike faith teach that Christes true bodie is both in heauen and in earth and vpon euery altar at one time and doe you call them catholikes that affime that Christs true body properly may not onely be touched and receiued into mens mouthes but also deuoured of dogges and mise and other beasts that eate consecrated hostes argument 18 All true catholikes firmely beléeue that their sinnes are forgiuen them for Christes sake and that they shall obteine eternall life according to these two articles of the Créed I beleeue the remission of sinnes and life euerlasting for as the apostle saith Heb. 6. God hath promised and sworne that we should haue firme comfort and saint o 1 Iohn 5. Iohn saith these things I write vnto you that beleeue in the name of God that you may know that you haue eternall life and whosoeuer beléeueth not this as p Ibidem he testified maketh God a liar The apostle q Rom. 5. Paule saith that he that is iustified by faith hath peace with God but what peace can we haue vnlesse we beléeue that our sinnes are forgiuen and that assuredly we shall obteine eternall life the sacraments also that are deliuered to euerie Christian are seales of remission of sinnes and of the promise of eternall life for by Baptisme we put on Christ that is we are made members of his body and partakers of his merits and in the Lords supper our Sauiour teacheth vs that the cup is the new Testament in his blood and that Christs body was broken for euery one that is a woorthy receiuer this doctrine is also confirmed by the examples of Abraham and the apostle Paule of Abraham we r Rom. 4. reade that he doubted not of the promise of God and that the same was imputed to him for righteousnesse the apostle ſ Rom. 8. saith that he was perswaded that nothing should separate him from the loue of God and this assurance of remission of sinnes and eternall life the catholike fathers teach vs. Si iustus es fide viuis saith t Serm. 4. de mortalit Cyprian si verè in Christum credis cur non cum Christo futurus de domini pollicitatione securus amplecteris u Ibidem againe he saith that we are not to wauer or doubt for that God hath promised vs immortality Saint x Serm. 2●… de verb. dom Augustine writing vpon these words thy sinnes are forgiuen thee saith it is faith and not pride to acknowledge what we haue receiued y Serm. 2. de anno●… Bernard saith that we haue no promise but by Gods fauour and that the spirit of God worketh this in vs that we beleeue remission of sinnes and this doe all true catholikes beléeue how then can the papists be catholikes that will haue men onely to hope for remission of sinnes and eternall life and that not without doubting or what are we to hope of the z Sess 6. doctors of Trent that prouounce them accursed that shall say that a man must certeinly beleeue that his sinnes are forgiuen him finally how shall we beléeue that those are true beléeuers that teach Christians not to beleeue remission of sinnes or eternall life but to doubt of both argument 19 All true catholikes beléeue that the faithfull presently vpon their departure out of this life are happy and enter into ioies that neuer shall haue end as the wicked and vnbeléeuers are presently to enter into euerlasting fire and begin to suffer endlesse paines these shall goe into euerlasting paine and the righteous shall presently possesse the kingdome of heauen prepared for them as may appeare by the sentence of our sauior Matth. 25. the a Rom. 8. apostle doth also plainly testifie that there is no condemnation to those that are in Christ Iesus the spirit of God doth likewise b Apocal. 14. pronounce them blessed that die in the Lord. and the reason is added for that they rest from their labours and this likewise is the faith of the catholicke fathers c Ecclesiast hierarch c. 7. Dionyse saith that the godly when they come to the end of their liues shall rest in Abrahams bosome and signifieth that there shall be no griefe nor sadnesse nor sighing d Quaest 75. Iustine Martyr holdeth that the soules of good men shall presently be caried into paradise both e Lib. 1. aduers haeres c. 2. Irenaeus and f Serm. de mortalit Cyprian likewise make onely two sorts of soules departed whereof the first are in blisse the second in paines and endlesse misery and that is also confirmed by the confession of our aduersaries in the canon of the masse where they pray for those that sleepe in a sleepe of peace but the papists teach that all that haue not satisfied here for temporall punishments must be plonged in the vnspeakable paines of purgatory and so after a time passe to heauen argument 20 All catholicks beléeue that Christ hath reconciled vs to his father and that he hath satisfied for our sinnes fully and perfectly the g Isay 53. prophet saith that we are healed by his stripes ipse volneratus est saith he propter iniquitates nostras attritus est propter scelera nostra disciplina pacis nostrae super eum we may therefore well accounpt them no catholicks that h Bellar. lib. 1. de purgat teach that Christians are to satisfie for the temporall punnishment of their owne sinnes either here or in purgatory the which is no where deliuered by the fathers of the church argument 21 True catholicks neuer made the image of God the father or the holy ghost nor did euer the godly
obseruation againe desire me to procure him a free conference but what shall that néede when I yéeld him more then is desired Notwithstanding if he thinke to winne any thing at my hands by conference let him procure me first a frée conference at Paris and Salamanca and I doe promise to procure him a frée conference at Cambridge and Oxford In the meane while I pray him I prouoke him I by all means vrge him to answere in writing such lies as I auerre his consorts to haue made and to cleare the Church of Rome and her principall proctors of such notorious falsifications as I say they haue committed If he be not able as indéede I take him to be altogither vnsufficient let Robert Parsons Frier Garnet or the Archpriest answere and maintaine the quarrell which this idle compagnion hath begun And let them set their names to their writings and come foorth with bare faces that wee may know what they are we deale with and not as hitherto fight with N.D.E.O. and such like hollowe fellowes and meere shadowes If not let them assure themselues I wil by publike writing discouer such a packe of impostures lies falsifications villanies and treasons committed by Rob. Parsons and his consorts that they shall wish Owlyglasse hanged that first prouoked me and beganne this quarrell I will also make it knowne that they are so guiltie that they cannot answere His second obseruation is that no credit is to bee giuen vnto me concerning matter of fact because in matters of faith and learning as he saith I make no scruple to corrupt and vse broad falsification But his collection is so childish and foppish that his owne clients if they list may sée that he knoweth not what concerneth fact and what concerneth faith and learning that distingusheth learning from matter of fact as if no learning were required of Ro. Parsons to discusse matters of fact and would make f●ith and learning both one as if his consorts that take themselues to be learned were also faithfull christians and teacheth that the controuersie concerning falsifications and vntruthes obiected by him toucheth faith and not fact as if we did not as well contend about matter of fact as faith in this idle quarell begonne by our aduersarie and wherein the state of the mayne controuersie is whether I haue spoken vntruth or not and whether I haue falsified any authors alledged by me or not Secondly if no credit be giuen to those that tell lyes and falsifie authors as Owlyglasse affirmeth then by his sentence we are not to beléeue either the pope of Rōe or his agents the most notorius lyers falsifirrs that euer the world sustained Againe if no credit be to be giuē vnto my discourse concerning the packing trechery of his consorts why doth he not answere me and conuince mee of vntruth And what reason hath he to desire his readers not to beleeue that which himselfe is not able to controule Is not such a bald compagnion ashamed to take to him as much authority as the Pope that all the generation of antichriste is to beleeue vpon his owne bare word Thirdly if all his idle obiectiōs concerning pretended corruptions and falsifications he so cleared as that I looke for no more answere of so nastie a disputer as this Owlyglasse is then it can be no credit for him to cry so loud or to vse these odious and slaundrous termes of corruptions and falsificatiōs but he ought rather to looke downe vpon his owne and his consorts filthy factes then to pinche at others mēs faultes Fourthly if the papistes his clients be so cleare as he maketh them why doth he not answere for them playnly and honestly refuting euery point of my charge If they be guiltie why doth he not rayle a spirt at Rob. Parsons that so foolishly brought them forth to this triall and there left them to speake for themselues Fifthly if he list not to excuse any Papist for the cariage of his life as he confesseth what reason hath he to blame me if I vpon so iust occasions giuen me by that rinegat and false traytor Rob Parsons haue toulde them some parte of their faultes Sixtly if he will not haue my verdict admitted against his clients though conuinced by playne euidence witnesse he hath no reason to require that the verdict of Robert Parsons a most notorious and infamous libeller and a knowne and professed traytor and an infamous person conuicted by his owne wicked and treasonable writings and by the testimony of his owne consorts or the accusations of such libellers as Owlyglasse and such worthlesse and namelesse fellowes should be admitted or receiued Againe if he wil haue nothing to be affirmed without authenticall testimony proofe then must he and his malicious mates forbeare to send forth so many vaine and fabulous pamphlets 7. Further if hee charge me hereafter with wilfull and witting falsification as he sticketh not very boldly and often to doe then must he proue first falsification then this quality of wilfull knowledge wherof hytherto he hath done neither againe if I obiect that to him which he cannot deny then modesty would require that he should confesse shame force him not to defend any more matters knowne notoriously to be false 8. If hee take to himselfe and his consorts the name of Catholike Church and will néedes charge me with a setled malice and desperat resolution against the Catholike Church he must proue two thinges First that Popish religion is the ancient catholike religion and next that I oppugne the catholike faith Vnles he doe this his reader will take him for a lewd begging compagnion that taketh that for granted that is in controuersie and we must accompt him for a paltry fellowe that is not able to answere our arguments whereby we proue that Popish religion which we refuse is neither catholike nor ancient 9. If boldly and falsely he will denie that our faith hath had continuance and succession from Christs time and challeng both to himselfe he must then deny that the faith taught in the Apostles créede and established in the fowre first general counsels and contained and grounded vpon the holy canonicall scriptures hath alwayes continued since Christs time and hath had continuall succession vntill our dayes And to prooue the Popish faith he must shew that the Apostles taught and that the holy fathers beléeued First that Christ had a body inuisible and impalpable and that might be in heauen and earth and many distant places all at one time secondly that Christs body did not fill the place wherein it was 3. That accidentes may subsist without foundation or subiect 4 that préestes may celebrate masse without communion 5 that the préestes may take away the cuppe of the newe testament from Gods people 6 that christians are to worship the crosse and the sacrament with Latria or diuine worship 7 that the préest doth offer vp the true body and bloud of Christ to God the