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A97089 A brief answer to the many calumnies of Dr. Henry More, in his pretended Antidote against idolatry. Shewing that no prudent person can, upon any rational ground, be deterr'd from returning to the communion of St. Peter's chair, by any of the doctors best and strongest evidences to the contrary. Walton, John, 1624-1677. 1672 (1672) Wing W675A; ESTC R225655 39,521 109

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