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A62871	A publick dispute betwixt John Tombs ... respondent, John Cragge, and Henry Vaughan ... opponents, touching infant-baptism, the fifth of September, 1653 ... occasioned by a sermon preached the day before, by Mr. Tombs, upon St. Mark 16.16 ... : also a sermon preached by Mr. Cragge, the next Lords day following, upon the same text, wherein the necessity of dipping is refuted, and infant-baptism asserted.	Tombes, John, 1603?-1676.; Cragge, John, Gent.; Vaughan, Henry, Sir, 1587?-1659?	1654 (1654)	Wing T1813; ESTC R9749	45,440	168

Baptized under the Gospell T. Mr: T. found fault with that interpretation shall dye an hundred years old that is as if an hundred years old C. He answered to take it literally would imply a contradiction for it was impossible to be a child and a hundred years old and was better than his and the Anabaptistes exposition of 1 Cor. 10.2 they were Baptized under the cloud that is say you as if they were Baptized under the cloud when nothing hindred but they were really Baptized under the cloud And Rom. 11.19 the branches were broken off that is say you as if they were broken off when it was both possible and apparent that they were broken off T. Then Mr. T. said it was not meant of the times of the Gospell C. To which was replyed Mr. T. will still be wiser than the Church of England and read the Contents of the Chapter The calling of the Gentiles v. 1. the Jews rejected 17. the blessed state of the new Jerusalem to the end T. Mr: T. said it was verifyed Zacha 8.4 Thus saith the Lord of Hosts there shall yet old men and old women dwell in the streets of Jerusalem and every man with his staff in his hand for very age and the streets of the citie shall be full of boyes and girles playing in the streets thereof C. To which was replyed what is this to an Infant of dayes or a child dying a hundred years old when it is apparent both from the Contents Text that this of Zachary is meant of the Jews return from Captivity more apparent that that of Es. is meant of the state of Christs kingdome under the Gospell which I prove thus That Interpretation that brings with it Absurditie untruth blasphemie is not to be admitted But to interpret it of the Jews return from Captivitie brings with it absurditie untruth blasphemie Therefore it is not to be admitted T. Mr. Tombs denyed the Minor C. Which was proved in order first that it brought with it absurdity To apply the 25. verse to the return from Captivity was absurd that the wolf and the lamb should feed together and the Lion should eat straw with the bullock and dust should be the serpents meat Therefore it brought with it absurdity Secondly that it brought with it untruth But to apply the 19. v. to the return from Captivity brought with it an untruth that the voice of weeping should be no more heard in Jerusalem for it was twice destroyed after once by Antiochus then by Vespatian and Titus Therefore it brought with it an untruth Thirdly that it brought with it blasphemie for to interpret the 17. verse Behold I create new heavens and new earth and the former shall no more be remembred and come into mind of the second temple is blasphemous Therefore it brought with it blasphemie for it crosseth St. Peters interpretation 2. Pet. 3.13 Wee according to his promise look for new heavens and a new Earth For can any rationall man think that the new temple built at Jerusalem in Cyrus his time was this new heaven and new earth that the former should be no more remembred When the antient men are said to weep because the glory of the latter temple was short of the glory of the first Ezra 3.12 It was inferiour to Solomons temple first in respect of the building that was lower and meaner secondly in respect of the vessels before of Gold now of brasse thirdly of five things that were lost first the Ark of God secondly the Urim Thummim thirdty fire from Heaven to consume the Sacrifices fourthly the glory of God between the Cherubims fiftly the gift of prophesie for after the second temple there was no prophet T. Mr. T. fell to his wonted course of impertinent exposition wherein Mr. C. told him he violated the rules of dispute and did lasciviously wanton it out into a wilderness of words that the truth might be obscured or lost and like a lapwing carry the hearers far from the matter Then C. P. an Apothecary began to interpose as he had done once before till a gentleman of authoritie told him that it was not fit for a man of his place and calling to speak Yet Mr. Tombs would not be Satisfyed but went on saying that Dr. Prideaux in Oxford when a place of Scripture was cited was wont to give a large exposition C. Mr. C. Replyed that Dr. Prideaux was Doctor of the Chair and Judge of the Controversie and might do that which a Respondent may not do whose office is onely to repeat deny distinguish and when a Text is quoted to give a brief exposition that the Opponent may have something to fasten upon And what Dr. Prideaux did he knew not but what Dr. Collins and Dr. Ward did he could tell him but that it was not to the present purpose And that his judgment in this was but the same with his own University of Oxford as he knew of late by a sad experiment T. Mr. Tombes Asked what that was C. He told him an explosion not for disability for his dispute was plausible inough but that he would neither be satisfied with D. Salvage his answer nor the Doctor of the Chaires determination but fell to repetitions and extravagances as now Mr. Tombes launched into a tedious discourse to vindicate himself till he had tyred the Auditors who cryed out this is but to waste time And a learned Gentleman spake aloud this is but to spend the time in parling that he may avoid the gun-shot for he is affraid the great thunderbolt is behind and so with much adoe he was brought to dispute again where Mr. C. falling upon the third branch of his Argument That God did actually receive Infants to be Church-members under the Gospell began thus C. Those whom Christ commanded his disciples to Baptize they may be Baptized But Christ commanded his Disciples to Baptize Infants Therefore they may be Baptized The Minor being denyed was proved thus He that commanded his Disciples to baptize all Nations commanded them to Baptize Infants But Christ commanded his Disciples Matth. 28.19 to Baptize all Nations Therefore Christ commanded them to Baptize Infants T. Mr. T. denyed the Major C. Which was proved by this Enthymema The whole includes every part Infants are a part of Nations Therfore he that commanded to Baptize all Nations commanded to Baptize Infants T. He denyed the consequent though the whole included every part and Nations were the whole and Infants were a part of Nations yet it did not follow that Infants were to be Baptized C. He returned that that saying of Aquinas posito toto generali pars ejus negari non potest a generall whole being granted no part of it can be denyed was an axiome both in Logick Philosophie and Divinity as Psalm 117.1 Prayse the Lord all yee Nations is interpreted by another Psalm Old men and babes young men and maidens prayse yee the Lord T. Mr. T. Said it was an Axiome

The Anabaptists ANOTAMIZED and SILENCED in a PUBLIQUE Dispute The Man̄er of the Anabaptists Dipping Their Laying on of Hands Their Washing of Feete The Disputation A PUBLICK DISPUTE Betwixt JOHN TOMBS B. D. Respondent JOHN CRAGGE and HENRY VAUGHAN M. A. Opponents Touching INFANT-BAPTISM The fifth of September 1653. in the Church of St. Maries in Abergavenie in Monmothshire Occasioned by a Sermon Preached the day before by Mr. Tombs upon St. Mark 16.16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved but he that believeth not shall be damned Also a Sermon preached by Mr. Cragge the next Lords day following upon the same Text Wherein the necessity of Dipping is refuted and Infant-Baptism asserted LONDON Printed for H. Twyford N. Brook J. Place and are to be sold in Vine-Court Middle Temple the Angel in Cornhill and at Furnivals-Inn-Gate in Holborn 1654. To his Reverend Friend I. T. P. Grace Mercy and Peace be multiplyed SIR I Received your Letter full of Zeal and Christian Piety the Contents whereof may be reduced to these six heads wherein you desire resolution first what my sense is of the Anabaptists secondly when was the spring and rise of them thirdly what is the cause of this present growth and increase of them fourthly why they are permitted fifthly what I think of Disputes and Conferences had with them sixthly a true Relation of that had with us of late which you say is variously reported of all which briefly I 'le endeavour to give satisfaction For the first I referr you to the Sermon and Conference here following to the Harmonies and Confessions of the Reformed Churches of all Churches since the Apostles especially the Western where you shall find Universalitie Antiquity and Succession besides many pregnant places of Scripture pleading for Infant-baptism And that as Austin saies which the whole Church holds was never begun by any Councel but alwaies observed cannot otherwise be believed but that it came from the Apostles For the second the spring and rise of Anabaptism as all Errours so it had its beginning after Truth the Husbandman first sowed good Corn then the Enemy Tares No Age was free In the first hundred years arose the Ebionites Chiliasts and Gnosticks In the second the Marcionites Valentinians and Montanists In the third the Novatians Sabellians and Manichees In the fourth the Arrians Donatists and Eunomians In the fifth Nestorians Eutychians and Patripassians In the sixth Jacobites Armenians and Monothelites in which time the Mysterie of Iniquity began more fully to work which was first nascent then crescent then regnant then triumphant And no sooner appeared a Reformation in Luther's time but there were Herods that sought the life of this Babe Dragons watching while the Woman was travelling to devour the Child Amongst whom the Anabaptists of Germany were most venemous The first Author whereof was one Nicholas Stock then Phipher Knipperdoling Munster with their Tayler-King John Beccold of Leyden who gave out that he had a Commission from Heaven to destroy all Nations that would not submit to his Gospel and be rebaptized raging with sword and persecution till he was taken and being examined by exquisite tortures confessed he received his Doctrine from an impure spirit there you have the spring and rise of it Now for the third the present growth and increase of it the reasons may be many 1. Times of division wherein the hedge of Discipline is broken down Liberty in Religion is like free conversing without restraint or watch in time of pestilence one house easily infects a whole City 2. Satan's malice like a River the further it goes the deeper and fiercer 3. The corruption of man's nature more inclinable to errour than truth 4. The fitness of the engin for devastation and ruinating all former Churches under colour of first-baptisms nullity gathering of new ones after their own mould out of the old ruins by re-baptizing 5. The pretence that Children are uncapable of Church-membership or Communion of Saints as if there were not the same capacity under the Gospel which was under the Law 6. False allegation that Infant-baptism is occasion of loose living as if the native Jews that were sealed when Infants were more dissolute than the Proselytes 7. To limit it to ripe years increases Piety as if Jews and Turks and their own rebaptized converts were not more frequently guilty of Apostasie and Hyprocrisie 8. Not understanding that Infants Church-membership in the Old Testament is not repealed but confirmed in the New 9. A carnal estimation that the Covenant made with Abraham was partly carnal of which Circumcision is a part as if Godliness in both Testaments had not the promise of this life and of the life to come 10. That Circumcision was the seal of righteousness of Faith to Abraham and not his Posterity 11. That the Covenant was made with Abraham and his Spiritual Seed onely and not with visible Professors 12. That there is no such thing as National Churches though Christ saies Make Disciples of all Nations and Isaiah saies All Nations shall flow in c. yet they say all Churches must be gathered by actual profession as well in Christian Nations as amongst Turks and Pagans 13. Because we have no particular instance in terminis that any Infants were baptized and because they are not expresly named in the precept as if generals did not include particulars as well for Infants as Old Men 14. Denying equivalencies and necessary consequences from Scripture 15. A vilifying of the judgement and persons of all godly and learned men of this present and former ages building up their rotten foundations upon their ruins 16. Temporal interests of the lowest of the people which while they dream it s countenanced by men in power cry Hosanna to day and perhaps Crucifie to morrow 17. A pretending to the Spirit of God Numa Pompilius feigned that he conversed with the Goddess Egeria Minos with Jupiter in the Cave Solon with the Delphian Apollo Mahomet with the Angel Gabriel Montanus and the Shakers with the Holy Ghost the white Witches with the Spirit in the shape of a Dove and all but to palliate their unfound opinions and practises Let not his Soul prosper that does not acknowledge and thirst after the true Spirit of God yet let us try the Spirits and not believe every lying Spirit 18. The learning subtilty and industry of some Anabaptists to gain Proselytes Arrius Pelagius Marcion were not wiser in their generation than they to inveagle the poor simple people especially Women and inferiour Tradesemen which in seven years can scarce learn the Mysterie of the lowest profession think half seven years enough gain'd from their worldly imployments to understand the Mysterie of Divinity and thereupon meddle with Controversies which they have no more capacity to pry into than a Batt to look up into the third Heaven These and many more are the causes of the increase of Anabaptism Now for the Fourth you enquire why they are permitted

and their Books printed and published seeing those of Arrius of old Dr. Pocklington's and Mr. Archer's of late more innocent were burned To satisfie you in this something is to be imputed to the Providence of God something to the Wisdome of the State The Providence of God who suffers Errours 1. That Truth by opposition may more diligently be searched out 2. That the sincerity and constancy of the Faithfull may be tryed 3. That the impenitent and proud in spirit may be blinded and hardned The wisdome of State who like wise Chirurgions will not launce a turgid Ulcer till it be ripe a skilfull Physician that will not purge some floating humours till they be setled Therefore the late Parliament declared that they would not have them cudgell'd but perswaded out of their Errours The two Lights of our Goshen though they differ in judgment from them endeavour not to force them but by sweet insinuations and arguments to win them Besides some of them have been esteemed Godly amongst which Mr. Tombs may be ranked who knows but that may be verified of him that was of Cyprian Non videt haec ut videat meliora he sees not these things that he may see better things God it may be suffers him to fall with Peter that his rise may be more glorious Tu conversus confirma Fratres that being converted he may strengthen his Brethren will burn his Stubble Hay Wood with the Spiritual Fire of the Word or affliction that his Gold may be the purer Fifthly you enquire whether it may be fit to dispute and conferr with them seeing their Doctrine eats as a Canker for which cause the Empress would not suffer her Son Theodosius to discourse with the Heretick Eunomius To which I answer the Sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God is the onely Weapon to wound the hairy scalp of False Teachers with this Christ confounded the Sadduces St. Peter Simon Magus Athanasius the Arrians Austin the Pelagians and Manichees There are none that speak against seasonable Disputes but either those that understand them not or with spiritual pride storm against those that are gifted with that faculty above them or they that cannot endure that their Errours be unmasked and their Soars galled Camels conscious of their deformity trouble the water Foul Faces love not the Looking-glass True it is we ought to receive the weak in faith not to doubtfull disputations but when False Teachers have infused Poyson may we not apply an Antidote when they have sowed Darnel and Cockle may not we weed them out This is to set Towns and Cities on fire and to deny Buckets to quench them to suffer Invasions and to permit none to rally together an Army to resist them The Disputes at Bewdly Hereford and Ross have been successfull to astonishment and in this last at Abergavenie though tumultuary and on a sudden hath appeared the Finger of God he that with Spittle and Clay opened the Eyes of the Blind overthrew the Walls of Jericho with the sound of Ramms-horns with these weak means hath wrought strong effects that no Creature may glory in the Arm of Flesh To the relation whereof in the last place and the occasion of it I come now which was thus Mr. Tombs for several months together being importuned by Letters and Messengers came at length to water that which Mr Miles Prosser and others had planted or as some think to confirm a Child lately baptized in London when he entred the Pulpit great expectation was what Mountains would bring forth his Text was Mark 16.16 whence he concluded that Infant-baptism was a nullity a mockery no Baptism but by Dipping or Plunging was lawfull all that would be saved must be re-baptized or baptized after profession that there was no such thing as Infant-baptism in the Primitive times but that it came in with other corruptions upon unsound grounds and challenged the whole Congregation to speak if they had any thing to say to the contrary There were many well learned that heard him especially two Mr. Bonner a neighbouring Minister and Mr. Vaughan Schoolmaster of the Town formerly a Fellow of Jesus College in Oxford who both for the present kept silence onely Mr. Bonner closed with him in the way to his Lodging and told him that he had delivered some things contrary to that he had read in the Antients and other things that grieved his spirit to hear and desired therefore to conferr with him thereabout the next morning He slighted the grave old Gentleman with as much contempt as Austin the Monk did the British Commissioners at Bangor yet told him that he would tarry in the Town till such an hour In the mean time the greatest part of the People were offended stagger'd or scrupled some not knowing what to think of their own their Children and their Ancestours salvation The Anabaptists that night and especially the next morning triumphed saying where are your Champions now some of them are struck dumb others dare not shew their faces whil'st Master Tombs is in the Town naming Mr. Cragge another neighbouring Minister the report whereof being brought unto him he repaired instantly to the Town and meeting with Mr. Bonner and Mr. Vaughan they went all together to Mr. Tombs where he was at a private house little was said there by reason of the throng of people pressing in but it was agreed upon that they should meet in the Church or Publick Meeting place at one a Clock which was done accordingly Mr: Tombs took the Pulpit the Opponents a Seat over against it Mr. Bonner was preparing to give the On●et but a Gentleman disswaded him by reason of his age and bodily infirmities lest it should impair his health Mr. Vaughan began Mr. Cragge succeeded continuing the opposition betwixt them for almost five hours When the Dispute was ended Mr. Cragge was desired by many Godly Persons to preach upon the same Text Mr. Tombs had done the Lords Day following which he did accordingly I send you here enclosed the sum of all a Copy of Mr. Vaughan's Conference which a Friend procured me from his own hand Mr. Cragge's Sermon and Dispute I took from his own mouth by Short-writing you have the Disputations first then the Sermon the Lord bless them to you and you to his glory which shall be the prayer of him who is Yours to serve you in the Lord Jesus J. W. To the Reader Courteous Reader TO please my self and perhaps thee I shall displease many First my Friend for making his private token a publick frolick Secondly Mr. Tombs for bringing him in this last Catastrophe wounded in the heel by Troilus and Paris who vaunts that in former Scenes like Achilles so far as he was dipped in the River by his Mother Thetis he hath been unpierced by the Weapons of the stoutest Hectors Thirdly Mr. Cragge and Mr. Vaughan for exposing their Disputes conceived in an hour and an half and the Sermon contrived in a