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A61451 An apology for the ancient right and power of the bishops to sit and vote in parliaments ... with an answer to the reasons maintained by Dr. Burgesse and many others against the votes of bishops : a determination at Cambridge of the learned and reverend Dr. Davenant, B. of Salisbury, Englished : the speech in Parliament made by Dr. Williams, L. Archbishop of York, in defence of the bishops : two speeches spoken in the House of Lords by the Lord Viscount Newarke, 1641. Stephens, Jeremiah, 1591-1665.; Davenant, John, ca. 1572-1641.; Williams, John, 1582-1650.; Newark, David Leslie, Baron, d. 1682. 1660 (1660) Wing S5446; ESTC R18087 87,157 146

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more ought Lay-men neither for they have a calling and Vocation wherein they are to walk as ministers have they have wise and children and families to care for and they are not to neglect these to live upon Warrants and Recognizances to become a kind of Sir Francis Michel or an Ignotus nimis as Salomon calls it That place 2 Tim. 2. 4. No man that wars entangles himself with the affairs of this life will be found to be applied by all good Interpreters to Laymen as well as Church-men and under favour nothing at all to this pupose Besides that the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 doth point at a man that is so wholly taken up with the affairs of this life that he utterly neglects the offices and duties of a Christian man and so I leave that place as uncapable of any other exposition nor ever otherwise interpreted but by Popes Legars and Canonists that make a Nose of Waxe of every place of Scripture they touch upon But that men in holy orders ought not in a moderate manner together with the duties of their calling to help and assist in the Government of the Common-wealth if they be thereunto lawfully called by the Soveraign prince can never be proved by any good divinity For in the law of nature before the Deluge and a long time after it is a point that no man will deny me that the eldest of the Family was both the priest and the magistrate Then the people were taken out of Egypt by Moses and Aaron Moses and Aaron amongst his Priests as it is in the psalm Then there was a form of a Common-wealth fetcht from heaven indeed and planted upon the earth and Iudiciary laws dictated for the reiglement of the same Nor do I much care though some men shall say that persons in holy orders ought not to intermed●le in secular affairs when that great God of heaven and earth doth appoint them to intermeddle with all the principal affairs of that estate witnesse the exorbitant power of the High priest in secular matters the Sanedrim the 23. the Judges of the Gate which were the most of them Priests and Levites And the Church-men of that estate were not all Butchers and Slaughter-men For they had their Tabernacle their Synagogues their Prayers Preaching and other exercises of piety In a word we have Divinius but they had operosius ministerium as St Augustin speaketh Our Ministry takes up more of our thoughts but theirs took up more of their Labours and Industry Nor is it any matter that this Common-wealth is no more in being● in sufficeth it hath been once and that planted by God himself who would never have appointed persons in holy orders to intermeddle with things they ought not to intermedle withall I will go on with my Chronology of persons in holy orders and only put you in mind of Ely and Samuel amongst the Judges of Sadocks imployment under King David of Iehojadas under his Nephew King Ioash and would fain know what hurt those men in holy orders did by intermedling in secular affairs of that time Now we are returned from the Captivity of Babylon I desire you to look upon the whole race of the Macchabees even to Antigonus the last of them all taken prisoner by Pompey and crucified afterwards by Mark Anthony And shew me any one of those Princes a woman or two excepted that was not a Priest and a Magistrate We are now come to Christs time when me thinks I hear St. Paul in the 23. of the Acts excuse himself for reviling of the high priest I wist not Brethren that he was the high priest for it is written Thou shalt not speak evil of the Ruler of thy people Where observe that the word Ruler in the Greek is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the very same word that is used by St. Paul Rom. 13. 3. where this word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is translated by Peza Magistrates Then you must be pleased to imagine the Church asleep or almost dead under rersecution for almost 300. years until the happy days of the Emperor Constantine and not expect to find many Magistrates among the Christians Yet shall you find St. Paul 1 Cor. 6. 5. offend against this Bill and intermeddle knuckle-deep with secular affairs by inhibiting the Corintbians very sharply for their Chicanery their petty-foggery and Common battery in going to Law one with another Besides that as all learned men agree both the Apostles and Apostolical men that lived presently after them had a miraculous power of punishing exorbitant crimes which supplied the power of the ordinary Magistrate as appears in Ananias and Saphyra the incestuous Corinthian and many others But then from Constantines age till the Reformation begun by Luther Church-men were so usually imployed in managing of secular affairs that I shall confesse ingenuously that it was too much there lying an appeal from the Courts of the Empire to the Bishops judicatory as you shall find it every where in the Code of Iustinian So was it under Carolus Magnus and all the Carolovingian Line of our neighbour Country of France So and somewhat more it was with us in the Saxon Heptarchy the Bishop and the Sheriffe sitting together cheek by joule in their Towns and Courts But these exorbitant and vast imployments in secular affairs I stand not up to defend and therefore I will hasten to the Reformation Whereas Mr. Calvin in the Fourth Book of his Institutions and eleventh Distinction doth confesse that the holy men heretofore did refer their Controversies to the Bishop to avoid troubles in Law you shall find that from Luther to this present day in all the Fluxe of time in all Nations in all manner of Reformations persons in holy orders were thought fit to intermeddle with secular affairs Brentius was a privy Counsellour to his Duke and Prince Functius was a Privy Counsellour to the great Duke of Borussia as it is too notoriously known to those that are vers'd in Histories Calvin and Beza whilst they lived carried all the Council of the State of Geneva under their own Gowns Bancroft in his Survey cap. 26. observeth that they were of the Councel of State there which consisteth of threescore And I have my self known Abraham Sculteius a privy Councellour to the Prince Palatine Reverend Mousieur du Moulin for many years together a Councellour to the Princesse of Sedan His Brother in Law Mounsieur Rivel a great learned personage now in England of the Privy Councel of the Prince of Orange You all hear and I know much good by his former writings of a learned man called Mr. Henderson and most of your Lordships understand better then I what imployment he hath at this time in his kingdome And truly I do beleive that there is no reformed Church in the World setled and constituted by the State wherein it is held for a point in divinity that persons in holy orders ought not to intermeddle with secular affairs