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A57675 The philosophicall touch-stone, or, Observations upon Sir Kenelm Digbie's Discourses of the nature of bodies and of the reasonable soule in which his erroneous paradoxes are refuted, the truth, and Aristotelian philosophy vindicated, the immortality of mans soule briefly, but sufficiently proved, and the weak fortifications of a late Amsterdam ingeneer, patronizing the soules mortality, briefly slighted / by Alexander Ross. Ross, Alexander, 1591-1654. 1645 (1645) Wing R1979; ESTC R200130 90,162 146

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therefore 't is not the work of the purge to liquefie the humour but by reason of its innate similitude it hath with the humour to draw it as the load-stone doth iron which similitude consisteth in their essentiall forms and in the properties flowing thence And as the load-stone draweth iron is not drawn by it so doth the medicament being the more active draw the humor but is not drawne by the humour Neither doe I think that the stomack or belly sucks the humor which is so offensive to it for simile trahit simile but the expulsive facultie of these parts wherein the humour lay being partly oppressed by the humor partly irritated by the medicament sends it away to the stomack or belly these also being quickly wearied with such troublesome guests send away the humour by vomit or by the stoole There riseth a motion of a certaine fume about the heart Sect. 58. Pag. 294. which motion is called pleasure Apuleius makes pleasure to be the childe of Cupid and Psyche you say that it is the motion of a fume about the heart of which Psyche cannot be the mother nor Cupid the father There are oftentimes fumes about the heart which beget more pain then pleasure and there are pleasures where are no fumes at all What fumes are there in beautifull objects of the eye with which it is delighted Musick affords pleasure to the eare but no fume at all and so the other senses have their pleasures in their objects without fumes for pleasure is nothing else but the apprehension of a convenient object or its species rather which object is the efficient cause of pleasure The forme or esience of pleasure consisteth in the fruition of that convenient object either by judging of it if present or by remembring it if absent If from this pleasure there proceed an elation of the mind by diffusing of the spirits this wee call joy Againe if pleasure consist in fruition it is rather a rest then a motion Besides if pleasure be the motion of a fume what think you of the soule Sure there are no fumes and yet there is pleasure in the soule And Angels have their pleasures too without fumes for I beleeve the fumes in Popish Churches doe as much please the Angels as they affright Divels Did Paradise the garden of pleasure called therefore Eden beget many fumes about Adams heart Or are there greatest pleasures where there be most of these cordiall fumes I think that where is most heat there are most fumes but so a lion should have more pleasure then a man for the lions heart is hotter and so our hearts are hotter in burning fevers then in health Moreover when at the first sounding of musick we take pleasure that pleasure quite vanisheth if we grow weary of the musick do the fumes then vanish also Lastly if beatitude consists in pleasure as many think then it is within our selves having these fumes and so we need not goe farre to be blessed But why should the fumes about the heart be pleasures rather then the fumes about the braine seeing in the brain is the phantasie and apprehension as also the originall of the senses Now pleasure consists in feeling and apprehension so that pleasure encreaseth as the sense and apprehension doe I beleeve Tobacco-suckers and Wine-bibbers will hardly admit of your Philosophy who define their pleasure by the motion of fumes in the braine rather then about the heart All that moveth the heart is either paine or pleasure Sect. 59. Pag. 298. Physicians tell us that the heart is moved by the vitall spirits the Aristotelians by the heat which is the soules instrument the heat moves it upward the hearts owne weight moves it downward and this is that they call systole and diastole not a compounded motion but two severall motions proceeding from divers principles for no naturall motion can be compounded nor can two contrary motions make up one nor is motion made of motions and not only are these two motions opposite in the heart but also different in respect of time Secondly paine and pleasure are passions of the appetite for every motion in the sensitive appetite is passion caused by externall objects being apprehended as good or evill but passions are not agents Thirdly what paine or pleasure moves the childes heart in the mothers belly or our hearts when we sleep or a heart after it 's taken out of the bodie We see it moves so long as any heat or spirits remaine in it but you will hardly beleeve that paine or pleasure moves it Fourthly if pain and pleasure move not the senses but the species of such objects which are convenient or inconvenient for us cause this motion and of this ariseth paine or pleasure how can these move the heart which never moved the sense The effect which we call paine is nothing else but a compression Sect. 60. Pag. 298. Paine is not a compression but the effect of compression and not of this neither for some pleasing compressions there are but of compression as it is offensive or hurtfull to our nature Neither are they generally Pag. 298. hard things which breed paine in us and those which breed pleasure oily and soft as you say for there are divers soft and oily things which being touched would not cause any pleasure in us A Toad is soft gold is hard but as the touching of this breeds no paine so the touch of that begets no pleasure Neither is the heart Pag 299. extremely passive by reason of its tendernesse and heat but rather active for heat is an active qualitie and where is most heat there is most activity therefore is the fire the most active of the elements and the heart the most active of all our members because of heat And how the heart is exceeding tender I know not the flesh of it is not so tender as of other parts Feare in its height contracteth Pag. 301. the spirits and thence 't is called Stupor Sorrow contracteth also the spirits what difference then do you put between sorrow and stupiditie You should have said a sudden contracting for stupor suddenly contracts those spirits which sorrow doth leasurely and by degrees Secondly you should have distinguished stupiditie for there is one that comes of feare another of admiration Thirdly feare and stupiditie are not the same thing for in feare there is an inordinate motion of the spirits in stupiditie there is an immobility of the same spirits Passion is nothing else but a motion of the bloud and Pag. 306. c. 35. spirits about the heart There is a continuall motion of the spirits and bloud about the heart even when wee sleep is there then also a continuall passion I think in sleep men are seldome troubled with passions Secondly if passion be continually in us then passions and patible qualities are ill distinguished by Logicians which make the one transient the other permanent Thirdly passion
is the motion of the sensitive appetite which is moved by the object and from it receives its specification as from its forme how then can it be solely the motion of the spirits and bloud I grant that in every passion there is some alteration of the naturall motion of the heart that is the systole and diastole is more or lesse but this alteration is caused by the passion which is as I say the motion of the sensitive appetite not of the bloud and spirits but secondarily and accidentally Fourthly every passion in us is either morally good or evill but the motion of the spirits and bloud about the heart is meerly naturall and therefore cannot be good or bad morally Fifthly every passion is not a motion for joy which is one of the six passions of the concupiscible appetite is a rest or acquiescence in the fruition of that good which we desired but now possesse The other five indeed consist in motion to wit love and hatred desire and flight and sorrow and so doe the other five which are in the irascible appetite to wit hope and despaire feare and audacity and anger but these are the motions of the sensitive appetite not of the spirits and bloud as is said Birds are more musicall then other creatures because they are Pag. 318. c. 36. of a hotter complexion If this were true then Ostriches Eagles and Hawkes should be more musicall then Larks and Nightingales for they are farre hotter And birds are hotter in the dog-dayes then in the spring and yet in the dog-dayes they are mute and vocall in the spring neither do they sing as you say because they require more aire to coole them for their singing being a strong motion as some birds by too much and too eagerly singing have killed themselves should rather heat then coole them it is not therefore heat but emulation which is stirred up in them by some sharp and sympathising sound or else the delight and pleasure which they take in the weather or aire in which they are most conversant and by it the spirits are cheered The agreement and disagreement of the creatures you Sect. 61. Pag. 332. ca. 38. will not have to be caused by instincts antipathies and sympathies but by downe-right materiall qualities This is petere principium for if I ask you What it is that makes these materiall qualities affect or disaffect one another you must be forced to flye to secret instincts and occult principles Are they materiall and manifest qualities that in the Torpedo stupefie the fishers hand and in the Load-stone draw the iron whereas other stones and fishes have the same manifest qualities that the Loadstone and Torpedo have Why do not other stones and fishes produce the same effects If by these materiall qualities you understand your Atomes you must be forced to flye to occult qualities for what cause can you give of the emanation of these Atomes from the Loadstone to the iron more then to any other thing but the sympathie it or they have with the iron Would you have me tell you the causes of sympathies and antipathies I will tell you when you can tell me the cause of the contrarieties that are betweene manifest qualities Tell me why heat is contrary to cold 'T is modesty and ingenuity to confesse our ignorance in those secrets which God hath purposely concealed from us to teach us humility for the pride of our first Parents in affecting the forbidden fruit of knowledge and that we should account all knowledge here but ignorance in respect of the excellent knowledge of Christ in whom are hid all the treasures of wisdome and knowledge This we know there are divers contrary and also sympathising principles in nature which are the causes not only of occult but likewise of manifest qualities but to demand the reason of these is to search into those secrets of God the knowledge of which is reserved for us in a happier life then this we now enjoy And to flye upon every occasion to Democritus his Atomes is a poore asylum Why cannot qualities produce the same effects which your Atomes do Do not you see how the sound of Musick or the words of an eloquent Orator which are but qualities worke forcibly upon the affections You say the impression which the mothers imagination Sect 62. Pag. 330. c. 38. makes upon the child is by meanes of the spirits conveyed from the head unto the seed If you will assigne us the prime cause you must ascend higher to wit to the soule it self which is both the mover the forme and finall cause of the body which soule sendeth not only the spirits from the head of the parent but from all parts of the body as it doth the seed for therefore the seed containes potentially all the parts of the body that shall be because it is derived from all parts of the parents body actually in being and as the soule conveyes the spirits unto the seed so doth it likewise the formative power by which the impression is made not in the seed which is not capable of such impressions whilst it is seed but afterwards in the Embrio which formative power doth not all its worke at one time but successively first transforming the seed then distinguishing and articulating the parts and members and then making the impression on the childe being now capable to receive it In the conclusion of your first Treatise You call qualities Sect. 63. Pag 342. Conclus unknowne entities and you will have us prove if in nature there be such If qualities be unknowne then tell me what it is we know for substances we know not but as they are cloathed with their accidents or qualities Take away heat colour light levity and other qualities from the fire in your kitchen and how shall you know there is fire there and what will your Cooke say if you bid him dresse your supper with fire wanting these qualities We have no knowledge but by the senses to which neither the forme nor the matter of things are obvious but by their qualities therefore if substances be known to us by their qualities much more known must the qualities be according to the old rule Propter quod unumquodque est tale c. 2. To bid us prove qualities is to bid us prove that fire is hot and water cold or to prove that you are a learned Gentleman a good Philosopher a wise States-man and I pray you are not learning wisedome goodnesse qualities from whence proceed all alterations in the world do they not from qualities the substance is still the same When water which before was cold is now hot hath lost neither its matter nor forme it is the same water still onely altered in its quality Are not you sometimes angry sometimes pleased sometimes fearefull sometimes bold sometimes sick sometimes healthie you are not still glad but sometimes sad what is it in you that is thus altered not your
HAving with much delight satisfaction and content perused this Treatise entituled The Philosophicall Touch-stone I allow it to be printed and published and commend it to the learned and judicious Reader as a work sound and solid and eminently acute and accurate Iohn Downame THE PHILOSOPHICALL TOUCH-STONE OR OBSERVATIONS UPON Sir Kenelm Digbie's Discourses of the nature of BODIES and of the reasonable SOULE In which his erroneous Paradoxes are refuted the Truth and Aristotelian Philosophy vindicated the immortality of mans Soule briefly but sufficiently proved And the weak Fortifications of a late Amsterdam Ingeneer patronizing The Soules mortality briefly slighted By ALEXANDER ROSS Pers. Sat. 5. Non equidem hoc studeo bullatis ut mihi nugis Pagina turgescat dare pondus idonea fumo LONDON Printed for Iames Young and are to be sold by Charles Green at the signe of the Gun in Ivie-lane 1645. TO THE Right honourable IOHN Earle of RUTLAND Lord Ross c. My Lord WIth the same boldnesse that I have adventured to lap up in the folds of a few paper sheets the rich Jewells of Philosophicall truths with the same have I presumed to present them to your Lordships view not that you can receive from them any addition of honour but that they from your Name and Protection may partake a farther degree of irradiation and lustre Here you may see what odds there are between naturall gems and counterfeit stones between solid wholsome meats and a dish of Frogs or Mushroms though made savoury with French sauce to which that ingenious rather then in this Discourse judicious Knight doth invite us who breathing now in a hotter climate cannot digest the solid meats of Peripatetick verities which hitherto have been the proper and wholsome food of our Universities and therefore entertaines us with a French dinner of his owne dressing or with an airie feast of Philosophicall quelque choses a banquet fitter for Grashoppers and Camelions who feed on dew and aire then for men who rise from his Table as little satisfied as when they sate downe We that have eat plentifully of the sound and wholsome viands which are dressed in Aristotle's kitchin are loth now to be fed as the Indian gods are with the steem or smoak of meats or as those Umbrae tenues simulachraque luce carentum those pale ghosts in Proserpine's Court to champ Leeks and Mallowes My Lord in this Dedication I onely aime at an expression of my gratefulness and observance which I owe to your goodnesse and of those reall sentiments I have of your favours and opinion which your self and your truly noble and religious Countesse have been pleased to conceive of mee I heartily pray for an accumulation of all happinesse on you both as likewise on the fruit of your bodies especially the tender plant and hopefull pledge of your mutuall loves my Lord Ross which is the wish of Your Honours humble servant ALEXANDER ROSS The CONTENTS of the first part containing 68. Sections WOrds expresse things as they are in their owne nature sect 1. Divisibility the effect of extension this is not the essence of quantity sect 2. Rarity the effect not the cause of heat rarified bodies not the hottest sec. 3. The essence of locall motion consisteth not in divisibility sec. 4. Place is not a body but the superficies of a body sec. 5. Not density but gravity is the cause of activity and frigidity cause of both sec. 6. Pressure and penetration not parts but effects of frigidity heat is more piercing sec. 7. Though accidents be reall entities yet they exist not by themselves sec. 8. Heat is not the substance of the fire sec. 9. Light no body but a quality proved by twelve reasons Nor can it be fire sec. 10. Of the qualities of light and how it heats and how it perisheth sec. 11 12. The dilatatio● and motion of the light and how seen by us sec. 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20. The greatest bodies have not the greatest vertue sec. 21. How naturall bodies move themselves sec. 22. How the Sun causeth motion sec. 23. If the light beares up the atomes and if it be a part of them sec. 24. There is in nature positive gravity and levity by which she works sec. 25. Light descends thorow dense bodies sec. 26. Atomes doe not presse sec. 27. Egyptian earth why heavie upon change of weather How a vessell with snow and salt in it freezeth by the fire The vanity of atomes sec. 28. Water is not actually heavie in its owne sphere The sea moves naturally to the centre Water can divide water sec. 29 Heavie bodies tend naturally to the centre Gravity is not the cause of violent motion The effect sometimes exceeds the cause Inanimate things without understanding affect and dis-affect what 's good or bad for them sec. 30. The true cause of the motion of projection and its properties sec. 31. The heavens void of generation corruption alteration they are naturall bodies sec. 32. Atomes are not the causes of heat nor ofre-action sec. 33. How elementary formes remaine in mixed bodies sec. 34. There are in nature foure simple bodies sec. 35. Wind is not the motion of atomes but an exhalation sec. 36. Naturall Mathematicall and Diabolicall magick sec. 37. The weapon-salve a meere imposture sec. 38. The true causes of the temperament under the line sec. 39. The load-stone is not begot of atomes drawne from the North-Pole sec. 40. Without qualities no operation in nature sec. 41. Atomes pierce not the earth Odors decay by time Salt how it growes heavie sec. 42. Naturall agents at the same time work diversly sec. 43. The heat of the marrow is not the cause of the hardnesse of the bones but the heat of the bones themselves sec. 44. God is not dishonoured by calling him the Creatour of the meanest things sec. 45. The formative power of generation in the seed sec. 46. Whether the heart or the liver first generated sec. 47. Thin bodies as well as thick the objects of touch Rarity and density what kind of entities sec. 48. Objects work not materially but intentionally on the sense sec. 49. Sound is not motion proved How perceived by deafe men It shakes not houses sec. 50. Colours are not quantities nor substances but qualities s. 51. How living creatures can move themselves Of nature and properties Of life And how the life of God differs from the life of the creature sec. 52. Of sense and sensation How the sense worketh and suffereth sec. 53. Vision is not caused by materiall atomes Seven things required in sensation sec. 54. Words are not motion nor are they the chiefe object of memory sec. 55. The organ of the memory How the intellect and memory differ sec. 56. Purging consisteth not in liquefaction but in attracting and expelling sec. 57. Pleasure is not the motion of a fume about the heart but the apprehension of a convenient object sec. 58. Paine and pleasure move not the heart Of systole
infinite that is she is capable of knowing at the same time objects without end or measure Where is absolutenesse there is no respect how then can the soule be infinite absolutely in respect of knowledge Is there an absolute respect or a respective absolutenesse of infinitie in the soule I thought God onely had been absolutely infinite and what odds will you make between Gods knowledge and mans if the soule at the same time is capable of knowing objects without end or measure Gods knowledge cannot exceed this for what can be knowne beyond infinitenesse and immensity And if the soule knowes at the same time things infinite and immense then the soule must be also infinite and immense For the Understanding and the thing understood is the same but infinitenesse and immensitie are Gods proper attributes For my part I confesse that all I know of infinitenesse is that I know it not For this cause Aristotle proves that the principles of naturall bodies cannot Lib. 1. phys text 35. be infinite because they are knowne for they could not be knowne if they were infinite And therefore Philosophers could not attaine to the knowledge of God because of his infinitenesse but onely by degrees reached to the knowledge of some of his attributes as first that he was an entity then a mover then they came to know his power after that his wisdome and then his goodnesse And sure all the knowledge we have of God in this life is but the light of the Owles eyes to the Sun Our Peripateticks are more modest who say not that the soule at the same time is capable of knowing objects without end or measure as you doe but they say that the facultie of understanding must be proportionated to the object Now the object of the intellect is finite for nature acknowledgeth no infinitum actu Infinitenesse by succession there is and so she may know infinite things that is one thing after another in infinitum for she knoweth not so much but she may know more yet she knoweth not infinite things actually or habitually because actually at the same time she knoweth that only which hath one species but infinitenesse hath not one species Hence it is that shee knoweth in infinitenesse one part after another and so wee know not God in this life because there is no proportion between his actuall infinitenesse and our finite understandings Nay in heaven wee shall not know him by way of comprehension though we shall then know his essence And because wee cannot actually at the same time understand many things therefore the intelligible species enter into the understanding successively And if at any time wee understand many things together it is not as they are many or divers but as they are united in one common notion or nature So the Angels themselves understand not many things at once but as they are united in one species whether wee speake of those species which are innate or of those which they see in the glasse as they call it of the Trinity And this truth of the Peripateticks you seem afterward to yeeld unto when you say that if knowledge be taken properly we Pag. 410. c. 7. doe not know eternity however by super naturall helps we may come to know it All things which within our knowledge lose their being Sect. 9. Ibid. doe so by reason of their quantities Quantities are not active therefore nothing can lose its being by reason of them When a man dieth hee loseth his being as man and yet the fame quantitie remaines that was before in the bodie If you speak of the formall being of things they are lost not by reason of the quantitie but by reason of the introduction of another forme which expells that forme that was as the forme of the chick expells the forme of an egge and then followeth a change of the quantitie but if you speak of materiall being that is not lost at all the matter being eternall and so quantity which followeth the matter remaineth too but indeterminate till the forme come which restraines and confines the exorbitancie both of the matter and of its quantity Sect. 10. Pag 419. c. 9. You say that those Philosophers who search into nature are called Mathematicians They are so by you but by whom else are they so called They use to be termed Physici naturall Philosophers but for Mathematicians they consider not nature at all neither the matter nor the forme of things but bare accidents not as the naturall Philosopher who handles them as affections of naturall bodies but as they are abstracted from all sensible matter So the Geometrician considereth continued quantities the Arithmetician discrete quantities or numbers Astronomers motions and measures of celestiall bodies Opticks light and shadowes Musicians sounds All life consisteth in motion and all motion of bodies Sect. 11. Pag. 420. c. 9. cometh from some other thing without them The soule can move without receiving her motion from abroad First all life consisteth not in motion for there is life in spirits without motion so there is in bodies too In Dormise and other sleeping creatures in Winter in trees at the same season in women that are troubled with histerica passio they have life and yet no motion at all Secondly life consisteth not in motion for it is not the action but the act of the soule not 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 but 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Life consists in union but this is rather rest then motion Life is not in the categorie of action From life proceed divers actions as understanding sensation motion nutrition generation but actionis non est actio It 's true that life is manifested by motion but it consisteth not in motion for the foule being separated from the bodie liveth but moveth not Thirdly all motions of bodies come not from without for the forme is the cause of motion but the forme is not an externall cause Though your hand in flinging up a stone be an externall mover yet when the stone falls downward it is moved internally by its owne forme What externall mover is that which moveth the heart even when it is separated from the rest of the bodie Fourthly the soule moveth not but by receiving her motion from abroad for as all things have their formes from the first cause so from the same cause they have their motion which followes the forme dans formam dat consequentia therefore the Apostle tells us it is in God wee live and move and have our being You are troubled with phancies when you tell us of Sect. 12. Pag. 423. c. 10. a perfect and imperfect soule that you call a knowledge an art a rule c. and this you call a participation of an Idea So in our thoughts you make some part of them corporeall and some spirituall In the soule you will have no accidents but all to be soule that is in her We say that every bodie is perfect