time a 〈◊〉 in the Laâ—â—d with whom they 〈◊〉 not have 〈◊〉 covenant it is probable if they had beene grosse Idolaters without all knownledge of the true religion 〈◊〉 King of 〈…〉 his fault carried himself 〈…〉 businesse of Abraham as a man not altogether destitute of the true stare of God That the true Religion was maintained in the family of Shâ—â— is acknowledged by all sorts but in that family it was greatly corrupted for the Scripture testifieth that 〈◊〉 the father of Abraham and the father of Nachor and Abraham himself before his calling served other Gods Jâ—sh 24.2 The Church of God did spread in the family of Abraham to whom God gave Circumcision as the seale of the righteousnesse of faith but the members thereof were as well they that were bought with his money as they that were borne in his house For so we reade that God commanded and Abraham tooke Ismael his sonne and all that were borne in his house and all that were bought with his money that is every man childe among the men of Abrahams house and he circumcised the foreskin of their flesh Not onely Abraham and his seede but all that lawfully appertained unto him and were in his power did partake of the seale of the covenant as such as formerly had been or now were received into covenant And by analogie we may gather that not onely the children of beleeving parents but of Infidels if they come lawfully into the power and hand of Christians to be trained and brought up by them in the Christian faith ought to be admitted into Baptisme Now in what sense Ismael and some others in Abrahams family might be esteemed holy 〈◊〉 others judge Esau was a member of Isaacs family which was the visible Church of God in those times Gen. 25.31 32 33. Heb. 12.19 after that he had sold sold his birth right for a â—esse of pottage and many other wayes had discovered himselfe so to walke as a man could hardly judge him to be truely holy Gen. 35.22 49.3 4 5 6 7. 34.25 38.25 26. The family of Jacob was received into covenant according to the pleasure and dispensation of God and all his sonnes were members of the visible Church when foule offences were amongst them unrepented of Gen. â—7 2 Sept. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 detrâ—â—â— eos crimine malo Not to mention the facts of Ruben Simon and Levi and Jâ—dah it is noted of the sonnes of Zilpah and â—ilkah that they runne into slander whereof we cannot thinke they repeated suddenly Joseph his Brethren conceived such hatred against him that they first conspired to kill him but changing their minds therein they sold him unto the Isâ—elites The whole body of Israel was a peculiar people Lev. 20.24 Sept. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 of whom every one was by the word of God separated into the covenant of mercy and if the whole Nation was the people of God every particular person in that Nation did stand under the same relation But what the state and condition of that people was when they were admitted into Church covenant wee may learne from the holy Scripture When I passed by thee I saw thee polluted in thine owne bloud Ezek. 16.6.8 and I said unto thee when thou wast in thy bloud Thou shalt live even when thou wast in thy bloud I said unto thee Thou shalt live Now when I passed by thee and looked upon thee behold thy time was as the time of love and I spread my skirts over thee and covered thy filthinesse yea I sware unto thee and entred into covenant with thee 1 Reg. 8.53 Sept. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 saith the Lord God and thou beâ—amest 〈◊〉 When God brought Israel out of Aegypt by the hand of Moses his servant he separated them to himselfe from among all the people of the earth Act. 7.38 for an inheritance and every singular person in that huge multitude was a visible member of that Church Exod. 32.8 9.22 Deut. 4.3 9.7 8. Psal 106.7.13 14.19 2â— 28 Num. 14.22 Act. 7.39 40 41 42. Amos. 5.25 26. Josh 5.7 8 9. Deut. 29.4 and all of them by profession Saints or holy the flock of God But oftentimes they sinned and rebelled against the Lord being a stubborne and stiffe-necked people uncircumcised in heart unbeleeving forgetfull of Gods workes despising his covenant idolatrous which had neither eyes to see nor eares to heare nor an heart to under stand And what probabilitie is there that this whole people was truely holy in the judgement of charitie or so faâ—re as man can judge or that they ceased to be the Church of God when they had grossely corrupted their wayes If the true Church be gathered of Saines onely externally and so 〈◊〉 as man 〈◊〉 judge and of them alone framed at of the subject 〈◊〉 which is onely true whilest it 〈…〉 such and false when it degenerateâ— from this dispositionâ— and so as 〈◊〉 and pâ—â—trified stuffe to 〈◊〉 cast out of the 〈◊〉 let it be considered how the Congregation in the Wildernesse could be the true Church of God which so oft 〈◊〉 Act. 7.38 and in many particular sinned against the Lord. It is more true Exod. 24.3.7 the Church and every member thereof outred into Covenant either expresly or implicitely to take God for their God and to keepe the words of the Covenant and doe them to seeke the Lord with all their hearts and to walke before him in truth and uprightnesse Deut. 29.4 But Moses saith of them that entred into Covenant that they had not eyes to see nor eares to heare nor an heart to understand and with many of them God was displeased because they obeyed not his vâ—â—yâ—e Deut. 29.10 11 12. Yee stard this day all of you saith Moses before the Lord your God your Captaines of Tribes your Elâ—â—ers and your Officers with all the men of Israell your little ones your â—ives and thy stranger that is in thy Caâ—p from the 〈◊〉 of thy woâ—d to the 〈◊〉 of thy water That thou should 〈◊〉 â—nto the Covetant 〈◊〉 the Lord thy God c. But he testifieth against them also Deut. 32.5 6.15 16. that they had corrupted themselves that their spot was not the spot of his children that they were a froward and perverse generation a foolish people and â—â—wisâ— who forsoâ—ke God that 〈◊〉 them and regarded not the strong God of their salvation Iosh 5.5 6 7. Joshua circumcised all the people which were borne in the Wildernesse for all that time that Sacrament was neglected and his fact is approved But we reade not of any inquiry that was made of all that great multitude what worke of grace God had wrought in every mans soule and it is very improbable that there was not one who did not give good hope of sound and true cleaving unto the Lord with all his heart Psal 78.55 56 57. When God had
performed was directly contrary to Gods Commandement But they were bound to goe up to Ierusalem though the Priests there Ministering had entred unlawfully and executed their Offices corruptly because God had appointed they should appeare before him in that place and the Service there tendred was of the Lord and by his appointment though the Priests were ignorant proud profane covetous or the like The Faithfull entreate Christ To shew them where he feedeth his flock that they might not turne aside if the words will beare that interpretation to the flocks of his companions that is the Congregations of false Christs and false Prophets That which you adde by his Ministerie with his Spirit Word Seales and Censures And that there they might place themselves for instruction and government is not found in the Text and may be received or refused as it is understood If your meaning be that Christ by these means doth feed or rule his Flock it will easily be granted If it be this That no Christian may lawfully sit downe in any congregation where any one of these is wanting or not executed in all points as it ought you speak of your selfe and not by the warrant of Gods Word For where Christ doth feed his flock there may the Saints of God communicate in the ordinances of Grace and Religion though some be wanting or not so purely performed in all points as they ought though the Minister in some particular enter not as he ought or be not qualified as the Word requireth It is one thing to sacrifice at Bethel Deut. 12.5 Ho. 4.15 â—â—o 4.4 5.5 2 Cron 15.3 11 12 14 15 16. 13.9 10.11 12. which God hath straitly forbidden where is neither God Priest nor Law another to worship God according to his owne appointment though the Minister be not such as he ought I wonder if men doe not tremble thus to abuse and misalledge the holy Scripture Often doe the Prophets Jere. 23.9 Matth 7.15 Christ and his Apostles you say forbid men to heare those which thrust themselves into ministeriall offices not being sent of God and from the Church This last clause And from the Church is your glosse but not found in the Texts of Scripture quoted by you Perhaps you would cunningly insinuate That all Ministers not called by the Church or particular Congregation where they are to administer be false Prophets But this is to begge what you shall never be able to prove not to make proofe of that which is questioned Bilson Christ. Subject part â— p. 367. The Lord when he saith Beware of false Prophets noteth there shall be Prophets by their calling which shall be found false by their reaching as S Peter also witnesseth Pet. 2.1 2. distinguished from Godly Teachers not by office but by doctrine Ier. 21.14 v 26 Iere. 11.14 15. v. 21. Iere 6 14 8.11 Ier. 23.25 v. 26. v. 32. Ezek. 13.2 3.6 7. 2 Pet. 2.1 2. Most certaine it is the Prophets Christ and his Apostles doe all warne us to beware of false Prophets But who are false Prophets They who are not chosen called and ordained by the communitie of the faithfull where they are to Administer No or they whose outward calling in the Church is somewhat defective and disordered nay corrupt and sinfull Not so neither But they are false Prophets who walke with falshood and strengthen the hands of the wicked that they might not returne from their wickednesse who speak the vision of their owne hearts not from the mouth of the Lord. Who say to them that despise the Lord yee shall have peace who run when they were not sent and prophesied when God spake not unto them Who prophesie false things in the Name of the Lord the deceit of their heart and thinke to make the people forget the Name of the Lord and seduce the people with their lies Who prophesie out of their owne hearts and follow their owne spirit The Apostle describes them to be false Prophets who bring in damnable doctrines contrary to the doctrine of salvation which we have received and denying the Lord that bought them But this cannot be applied to them who preach the Truth of the Gospel intirely Of false Bâ—e thren see Gal. 2.4 2 Cor. 11.26 With Hereticks and Apostates be they Princes or pâ—ivate men no Châ—istian Pastor or people may Communicate Bilson Christ Subj part 3 p. 78. Infidells be without the Church of their owne accord and Hereticks be put out Idem 79. Matth 7.15 Bevvare of false Prophets Assentior Chrysostomo qui poshemam voâ—em non de haereti is sed de iit acripit qui vulge 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 noâ—lne dicebantur Tales autem esâ—è ut qui corrupâ—am vitam specie vi 〈◊〉 larva â—egâ—â— Lucas ni sallor eosdem aâ—t innâ—es 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 lâ—â—k 20.20 Hers reâ—â— saâ—◠〈…〉 dispence the holy things of God according as they have received authoritie from God and labour to winne men from sinne unto God though in the entrance into their office or in the execution thereof there be somewhat erroneous faulty and of men Consider then how loosely the Premises of the Scripture and your conclusion hang together Wee must not joyne our selves to Congregations or Assemblies that are without Christ so the Scripture We must forsake Churches and Congregations of Christ this is your conclusion They must be forsaken that refuse the Covenant and worship strange Gods so the Scriptures Wee must forsake them who have received the Covenant and worship the true God in the mediation of Jesus Christ because they observe it imperfectly thus you must conclude or you fay nothing to the purpose If Prophets in the Old Testament had an ordinary outward calling the false Prophets might have a lawfull externall calling as well as the true and then God saith He sent them not because they preached the vision of their own heart lying and deceitfull words to strengthen the hands of the wicked and not the words of Truth to turne men from sinne They were not called of God because the work they went about was not the Lords but their owne But this reacheth not to godly Ministers who preach the Faith of Christ intirely and labour to draw men unto God nor yet unto them who in some sort are called of God according to his Will but not in favour or because he is pleased with their Administration to doe his worke though they be neither qualified as hee requires nor dispence the holy things of God sincerely and purely as they ought When you tell us we must beware of false Prophets you speake the words of Scripture but in your application of it to the Ministers of the Gospel and Congregations in England you robbe and spoile the sense of Scripture which is not the least degree of theft The Priests many times were no better than the false Prophets ut the people is never forbidden to communicate with theâ— in
in ordinatione hujusmodi personarum sit praetermissus ac violatus sicut perspicue apparet Denique Senatui Ecclesiastico populo Christiano jus omne suum atque suffragium misere sit hac ratione in hoc genere vocationum ecclesiasticarum ademptum in unum quendam Episcopum magnâ tyrannide atque abusu translatum Dominus Deus talibus corruptionibus quae adhuc in Ecclesiis ipsius supersunt defenduntur mederi magna sua misericordia dignetur velit quae tandem certè magnam ecclesiae Dei ruinam secum trahent ipsum sacrosanctum verbi ministerium reddent efficientque vel mercenarium vel omnino contemptibile abjectum Quod Dominus avertat Vna modo Quaestio superest in hoc argumento Nimirum quid de corum administratione sit sentiendum qui non sunt legitime vocati atque utrum iis sana conscientia adhaerere debeamus In quâ certe distinguendum est Aut enim est omnine illegitima vocatio ejus qui ecclesiam aliquam administrat vel non est omnino illegitima sed tantum ex parte Illegitima omnino est ea in qua omnia Dei verbo praescripta sunt praetermissa vel violata ut si quis seipsum intruserit privatâ authoritate Non omnino sed tantum ex parte illegitima est ea in quâ tantum quaedam ex illis non observata fuerunt sed praetermissa T.C. to his Sister An. Stubs This is the stone that you often or rather alwayes stumble at That if there be any thing wanting in the Church which the Lord hath required that in stead you should thereof conclude that the Church is with us imperfect you conclude it is no Church at all Whereas in the constitution of a mans body some parts are required to the being of a man as the Head heart c. and some to comelinesse as hands c. So it is in the body of a Church some things are required to the being of a Church and other things to the beauty and perfection of it If it be not of the being of a Church alwayes to have a Ministerie much lesse is it of the being of the Church alwayes to have the free choice thereof Ergo cujus omnino illegitima vocatio est is certè pro privato habendus est ac hujusmodi vocatio pro nulla Itaque neque sacramenta conferrè potest neque reliqua negotia ecclesiae gerere quae gessit pro nullis habentur nisi fortasse esset extraordinaria ejus vocatio id est quae signis testimoniisque certis a Deo confirmata esset Solaenim propagati Evangelii fructus qui inde multus emergit consideratio non confirmat hujusmodi omnino illegitimam vocationem utique neque faetus enatus illegitimam copulam quae intercessit inter adulteros Vitium autem illud tolli potest si postea ordine legitime vocetur is qui primum illegitime in Ministerio versabatur Qui autem ex partetantum illegitime est electus vocatus veluti si per Simoniam quis munus adeptus est non legitimo populi vel Senatus ecclesiastici consensu consensu tamen gradum obtinet non est habenda pro omnino nulla hujusmodi vocatio sed vitium illud est corrigendum Itaque isti Sacramenta conferre possunt quia utcunque non omnino veram satis legitimam vocationeÌ„ habeant habent tamen aliquam Sic Scribae Pharisaei in cathedra Mosis sedebant Sic Caiaphas in Pontificatu summo crat quem pretio redemerat Itaque exemplo Apostolorum Christi ipsius qui eos monuit reprehendit non autem secessionem a corpore Ecclesiae fecit ab iis nos segregare in alium caetum non debemus nec a toto Ecclesiae corpore Jd enim esset Donatistarum haeresin revocare sed pacem Ecclesiae quantum in nobis est colere nos oportet etsi illud vitium quod in eorum personis electione inhaeret damnare oportet quantum possumus tum emendare tum etiam emendatum velle Hac ratione fit ut etiam a sacrificulis Papisticis collatus Baptismus non sit in Ecclesia Dei repetendus pro nullo habendus Etsi enim in Ecclesiae Dei illegitimam vocationem Papistici Sacrificuli habent tamen ex consensu populi habent aliquam Est autem aliud ut ait August August contr Parmenian l. c. 13. aliquid prorsus non habere aliud auteÌ„ aliquid perniciosè habere aliud auteÌ„ aliquid salubriter habere Quod tertium solum nobis eligendum est Sed tamen uti Magistratus vitio creatus Magistratus tamen est propter populi consensum Lib. 5. de lâ—ng Latin quemadmodum docet Varro ita isti Sacrifici etsi vitio creati sunt Episcopi Presbyteri ut 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 potius quam 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 sint meritò appellandi tamen quadantenus Presbyteri sunt Episcopi praesertim apud eum populum qui in eo consensit Thus farre Danaeus whose testimonie I have rehearsed at large that every man may see with what fidelitie you quote Authors 1 Admonit p. 1. CAN. Neces of sep c. 4. §. 2. p. 173. as making for you You cite out of the admonition that the Non-conformists complaine That they have not scarce the face of a Church But this accusation long since hath been answered that in saying the face of the Church doth not so much appeare for so the whole processe of their book doth declare that they meane when they say That we are scarce come to the outward face of the same T. C. repl 1. p. 175. Albeit I have shewed how uâ—true it is that the admonition affirmeth that there is no Church in England yet I cannot passe by the secret Philosophy whereby Mr. Doctor would prove that the Authors of the admonition affirme it T.C. repl 1. p. 23. T.C. repl 1 p. 51. 2. repl par 1. p. 369. Hos 4.6 CAN. Neces of Sep. p. 9. 31. T.C. repl 2. par 1. p. 273. they grant that wee have the true Church of God but that for want of those ordinances which it should have and through certaine the deformed rags of Poperie which it should not have the Church doth not appeare in her native colours and so beautifull as it is meet she should be prepared to so glorious an Husband as the Son of God Master Cartwright severely reprehendeth the abuses of the Ignorant Ministers which in respect of the place which they occupie are Idols because they stand for that and make shew of that which they are not and therupon he addeth admit you them as often as you will the Lord pronounceth that they shall be no Ministers to him which have no knowledge This you cite many times But in two things Master Cartwright explaineth himselfe first That through ignorance of that which they doe some
the mouth of one witnesse though his testimony were received yet may no man be condemned See Beza annot Maier in Matth. 18.7 both their owne and Neighbouring Churches so did the Ancients The Ordination of Bishops by themselves alone or their Chaplaines and that of many at a clap so did the Ancients The thrusting of Ministers upon the people without their knowledge or consent so did the Ancients The ordination of Ministers without cure or charge so did the Ancients The ignorance idlenesse pride luxurie pompe covetousnesse contention and schisme of such as thrust themselves rashly ambitiously profanely into offices by favour monie flatterie or other corruption so did the Ancients They reprove these and such like abuses and humbly seek and sue for reformation but tolerate what they cannot amend and hold communion with the Churches of God in the Ordinances of Religion and so did the Ancients And if the Ancients did neither lay the grounds of Separation nor walke contrary to their owne Principles in holding communion it is great ignorance at least to charge the Nonconformists as if they walked not according to their owne rules when they doe not separate Nay if the Non-conformists should not disallow both your positions and practice of Separation they should not walke agreeable to their owne Principles or the truth of Scripture For you hold the power of the keyes originaliter and executivè is given to the community of the faithfull many or few yea though but two or three joyned together in a Church way This the Nonconformists approve not You hold it is necessary and essentiall to the calling of a Minister that he be approved chosen and ordained only by that congregation where he is to administer This the Nonconformists altogether dislike You hold all Ministers that be not chosen and ordained after your forme propounded to be unlawfull Idol Antichristian Ministers This the Nonconformists judge to be Antichristian The consequence of your Positions is this That since the Church of the New Testament was established upon the earth there was scarce a true lawfull Ministerie to be found where with the faithfull might lawfully hold communion in the worship of God This the Non-conformists doe detest and abhorre Of other your positions in the Sections following SEC III. CAN. Stay against Stray Sect. 1. pag. 4 5. WHatsoever God hath bestowed upon his Church as her priviledge the same is to be found in his Word But it is not mentioned there that Beleivers as their priviledge ought to heare Antichristian Teachers The proposition is unquestionably certaine by these Scriptures Psal 19.7 2 Tim. 3.15.16 Isai 8.20 Ioh. 15.17 Act. 20.27 Besides Contra Gentes this is the unanimous consent of learned writers The Scriptures saith Athanasius doe helpe us with the knowledge of every truth c. The first part which is only controversall is evident and cleere Anno. in 1 Cor. 10. §. 21. in 1 Reg. cap 5. v. 19. by these Scriptures Levit. 17.3.4 Deut. 12.5 Prov. 5.8 Hos 4.15 Matth. 7.15 2 Cor. 7.15 16 17. Rev. 18.4 Song 1.6 7. To this all sorts of Writers assent Zanch. on Phil. 3.2 The Authors of the Admonition pag. 27 c. Yea the Papists themselves Rhemists and Doway Translators ANSWER THe sinewes of this Argument are cut already in the first Section if ever it had any and therefore a few words may now suffice In this reason you take for granted that which is most false little lesse than blasphemie to wit that all Ministers in the Church of England be Antichristian For they are in respect of the substance of their office the Ministers of Jesus Christ set apart to preach the Gospel dispense the Sacraments and administer the Discipline of the Lord Christ and many of them the approved servants of Christ furnished with gifts from above sent forth by authoritie to preach the Gospel of God and dispense his Sacraments which they faithfully execute according to commission received from their Lord and Master the King of the Church who worketh by them and blesseth their labours if ever ordinary Ministers had cause to speake of and rejoyce in the blessing of God to the praise of his name But to let that passe Antichristian Teachers if I must speak in your owne language be of divers sorts 1. Such as be not called in every point according to your platforme or at least whose calling is in any respect maymed or defective though they be godly learned painfull every way fit set apart by authority and approved by the Church If Antichristian Teachers be taken in this sense true Beleevers living in societies with them are bound to heare the Word and partake in the Sacraments because they be the ordinances of the Lord Jesus who is present knocking at the doore of the heart and will come in and sup with them that open unto him So long as wee teach the same doctrine which the Apostles did we have the same povver and authority to Preach which they had Bâ—s Chrill 〈◊〉 part 3. p. â— Look what reasons soever can be alledged to prove that Christians ought to joyne together in holy communion the same will strongly convince that ordinarily or occasionally we must hold societie with such Ministers in the ordinances of piety and godlinesse And if this Ministerie be Antichristian divers if not most worthy Martyrs of Jesus Christ that have withstood Antichrist unto blood have stood under some ordinances in their first originall Antichristian or of men in some respects which did not overthrow though it might be some blemish unto their Ministerie 2. Such as be not rightly called by men because not rightly furnished with gifts or faithfully executing their place or teaching erroneous doctrines and traditions of men but yet set apart to an office which is of God and in communion of men professing the true Faith are called Antichristian Ministers And if it be taken in this sense the faithfull are bound in conscience to heare such if they live in their societies because they be the Ministers of Christ in a sort though they be not approved of him and doe his worke for the good of them that be heires of salvation But in so doing they doe not communicate with the Ministers of Antichrists apostasie but with the Lord Christ in his holy ordinance by such meanes as he hath appointed Hieron l. 1. Com in Eph. ad Galat. cap. 1. Hierome noteth that there are foure sorts who are employed in the businesses and affaires of Almighty God The first such as are sent neither of men nor by men but by Jesus Christ The second such as are sent of God but by man The third are such as are sent of man and not of God who are they that are ordained by favour of Men not rightly judging of the quality of them who are to serve in this calling Who yet are not simply denyed to be sent of God as if they had not commission from him but
hateth to be reformed is a false Minister and hath nothing to doe to take the covenant of God into his mouth but the Word preached by a treacherous Judas proud Diotrephes covetous Demas or one that envieth the prosperitie of Saints and peace of Ierusalem is not an Idolatrous act If it be Idolatrous in him that performeth it yet it doth not follow that it is idolatrous in them that joyne in the ordinance Let it bee idolatrous in the priests who despise knowledge and live prophanely put case Elies sons to offer sacrifice it is idolatrous likewise for the people to appeare before God in his holy Temple That Vzziah committed a grievous offence when he invaded the Priests office all men thinke In what respect all men conceive it to be an idolatrous act I cannot say but all false Ministers do not usurpe the Priests office as Vzziah nor all things done by false Prophets Ex. 30.7 8. Psal 141.2 Apoc. 8 3. Moller in Ps 141.2 Heris ibid. Deod Bibâ— Ital. annot in Psa 141.2 Apoc. 8.3 Oriin Ios hom 17. tom 1. Est in coelis all re Paschal Rhadbert in Lam. Ier. l. 2. Biblioth pat tom 9. paâ—t 1. Christus altare â—â—edi uâ— esse hostia sacrifiâ—ium pont fex sacerdos Ambr. Enar. in Ps 118. Greg. Magan Psa 7 paenit Altare Domini Christus An. Ex of Dâ—â— censure art 15 p. 19. to be matched with Vzziahs offering incense For the offering of Incense was typicall and might be a shadow of Christs intercession and so the act of Vzziah might be Idolatrous and in that particular directly crosse to the institution of God But many Church actions typifie no such thing Vzziah had no calling to offer incense but some false Ministers may have some calling to administer the things of God though they be not approved of God Vzziah could not offer incense in any respect by authoritie from God but a false Minister in one respect may be called of God in some other to doe an act ministeriall that is by authoritie from God hee may doe some acts for substance lawfull and effectuall though the Minister himselfe be not approved Thus the Nonconformists upon whose grounds you pretend to build your conclusions let it be as the censure reporteth that his words are of a Minister which cannot preach Doth he doubt whether he be in any respect a a Minister or no because he saith if I may so call him Indeed this manner of speaking declareth that he judgeth him that cannot preach a man unworthy to bee a Minister but he doth not deny him altogether But in your esteeme all Ministers not called and ordained of that particular Church whereunto they doe administer and performing their authoritie by vertue and authoritie derived from them are false Ministers because all other administer by power usurped and Antichristian which is with one breath to blast all the worship and service which hath beene done unto God in the congregations of his Saints for this fourteene or fifteene hundred yeares or more CAN. Stay Sec. 5. pag. 76. It is very true said of one Lavater In Iosh 22 hom 63. we ought not to conclude of an action that it is good because it hath in it something which in it selfe is so and this is true as in things divine Omne totum suis partibus ordinatur mensuratur determinatur so in humane too For it is a knowne tenent of Philosophers The whole is composed measured and determined of all the parts ANSWER It is true an action is not good Aqu. 1.2 qu. 8. art 3. Cameron pralâ—ct Tom. 2. p. 49. Amb Catharin in the Councell of Trent l. 2. p. 224. CAN. Stay Sect. 6 page 85. Rutgers instit Metaphys l. 2. cap. de Bon. Quemadmodum convenientia ad rationalem Naturam â—â—ve dictamen rectae rationis consurgit in actu honesto ex bonitate objecti finis aliarum circumstantiarum ita contraria disconvenientia seu defectus in malo culpae consurgit ex defectu illorum in actione ita ut si vel minimum contrariuÌ„ desit actus exeostatim reddatur culpabilis five pectaminosus Dionys dixit Bonum est ex integra causa malum autem ex quolibet defectu Revet in Hosea 4.14 p. 152. Iob 14 4. Hag. 2 12 13. See Iun. iâ— loe unlesse all circumstances required to the doing of a good act be observed but the act good in it-selfe is evill in the doer if one circumstance bee evill For every thing that is morally good must be conformable to the rule which that which is defective in any part required cannot be But how shall this bee applyed to the purpose Is every deficient act forthwith Idolatrous Or that which is by circumstance unlawfull in the doer because of his failing unlawfull to every one that doth communicate with him in the Ordinance but not in the defect If a Minister preach Christ of envie doe they sinne that heare sincerely and receive the truth in love If a man give almes in vaine-glory doth the poore man sinne who receives it in humilitie and thanksgiving An action done in one forme and manner may be sinne which in another forme and manner is the true worship of God which may be observed of him that is present in our Assemblies CAN. Ibid. As Iob saith who can bring a cleane thing out of an uncleane Not one But the false office is uncleane as is acknowledged And this further may bee amplified by that passage of the Prophet where it is shewed That holy things are polluted by touching things which are uncleane ANSWER That which is uncleane cannot causally univocallie and properlie bring forth that which is cleane but instrumentally it may A profane Minister may be the instrument of God to convert a sinner from the errour of his way and indispensation of the Sacrament seale to the worthy receiver the pardon of his sinne though he himselfe reape no profit or benefit thereby For herein the good that is wrought is not effected by any vertue or power in the Minister who is the Lords Officer or instrument but by the power of Gods Spirit and his free grace who knoweth how to use and blesse evill instruments for his owne purpose An uncleane Officer or person pollutes the holy things of God to himselfe but not to others who use them in faith according to the Lords appointment Why you should referre us to Iunius annotations I see not unlesse it be to shew us your forwardnesse to quote Authors which make nothing to your purpose For all that Iunius observeth is this That the Iewes being impure and polluted in heart did receive no sanctitie from the touch of Temple or Altar CAN. IBID. If in preaching the truth no Idolatrous act is performed then it will follow Ibid. Sect. 11. p. 116 They need not by his vvriting leave their unblessed standing For so they preach the truths of the Gospell they sinne not And then
vvhat need is there to lay dovvne their false office I cannot say of this mans Logicke as Aristotle did of Theodorus his making Epithites It is his vvhole art CAN. Stay p. 27. that a man may remaine a Minister of a false Church all his life time provided hee onely teach the truths of the Gospell Our reason is for in this if he doe no idolatrous act then hee sinneth not and so consequently no just cause of his comming out from among them ANSWER Ill might you twit your adversarie with his little skill in Logicke unlesse it was done in policie to hide your own loosenes in this and the like arguments For though it be not an Idolatrous act to preach the truth of the Gospell in a false Church in other respects it may be sinne to continue a member in that societie and so also to teach the Gospels Truths As it may be scandalous and offencive an appearance of evill A man may doe that whereunto he is not called from an evill mind Also it may bee sinne to continue in a false Church though a man teach nothing but the truth of the Gospell because he cannot professe all maine and fundamentall truths or that border thereupon nor testifie against all corruptions grosse haereticall reallie Idolatrous which in Conscience cannot bee tolerated or borne withall without grosse hypocrisie or dissimulation or hee cannot keep himselfe from the tincture of Idolatrie in practicâ— As for example though it be not an Idolatrous act for a Popish Priest to preach the Gospell or administer the Sacraments of Baptisme yet it is not lawfull for a Christian to remaine as a member in that society because he cannot partake with them in the Ordinances but he shall commit reall Idolatrie or must dissemble many grievous and hatefull abominations which cannot bee dissembled and shall bee thought to bee of the same Religion with them or of no Religion c. The multitude of Authors which you quote against hearing false Prophets or continuing in false Churches doe they not give other reasons why wee ought to separate from them or doth any one ever lay this down as a truth or foundation of separation In the page following you alledge sixe reasons which you say may bee applyed against the going with others to an Idol ministerie Church or worship c. But if they bee of any strength this reason whereof now wee speake is nought worth for they are directly crosse Here you say If in preaching the truth of the Gospell he doe no Idolatrous act he sinneth not but there you say he sinneth many other wayes But in all this you take that for granted which we confidently denie sc That our Churches worship or Ministerie is false and Idolatrous And therefore taking the proposition in your sense we say It is not only lawfull but necessary to remaine Ministers or members of some Churches which lye under your censure as false and Idolatrous but indeed are the true Ministers and Churches of Iesus Christ graced with his presence covered with his banner and beautified with his Ordinances and tokens of love And that which you call an unblessed standing wee make no question but it is approved and blessed of Christ and therefore regard your reviling the lesse Can. Stay Sect. 5. Pag. 73. If a man performe an action in a state and of publike nature he is to be considered in respect of himselfe as is that state and according to the publike Ordinances For if the state be false and the officer unlawfull it is familisme for him to say I know this state is set up against the Lord Iesus Christ and every commer here to worship according to the constitution is an Idolater but I will have in my selfe a secret meaning from the rest Id. page 77. Seeing false Churches and false Ministers are reall Idols set up by earthly Princes c. Whosoever comes and bovves before those Idols cannot escape the just blame of Idolatry Id. pag. 73. This is a sure thing and let it bee noted No administration performed in a state and by a power and constituted office can be sought desired and received but in so doing the doer ipso facto really approves of that state power and office bee the same lawfull or unlawfull And as for any mans saying to the contrary it is sine capite fabula a vision of his owne Head and will prove as good as the miracles which Iannes and Iambres wrought even meanes to harden his owne heart and some others as they did Pharaohs by doing them ANSWER You say it is an easie thing to Conquer CAN. Stay Sect. 5. page 66. Wee are no such Children as to give the cause so avvay CAN. Necess of sep p. 226. But this vvee cannot give him though hee begge it shamefully because the thing is othervvise as their ovvne vvritings manifest CAN. Stay Sect. 5. page 74. Calfeh against Mart art 3. page 86. if begging might procure it and if confident assertions will carrie a matter you will not goe without it But we must not be driven from the Church the Ordinances and worship of God communion with Christ and societie of Saints by an emptie blast of words No though you shamefully boast you have proved it by our owne writings Doe you thinke your bold impudent asseveration that any mans saying to the contrarie is sine capite fabula a vision of his owne head will make us by and by yeeld to your definitive sentence for which you can produce neither Scripture nor reason nor authoritie but your owne as if your ipse dixit Pope-like were to be rested in Wee are no such Children We are not to be feared with rattles You must bring better matter than your vaine fictions and sounder proofe than vaine repetitions of the same things over and over or else you must expect small credit to bee given unto your words They that joyn together in the worship of God Ambr. in Luk. 6. c. 9. Fides Ecclesiae imprimis quaerenda in quâ si Christus habitator sit haud dubiè legenda c. sed siqua est Ecclesia quae fidem respuat nec Apostolicae praedicationis fundamenta possideat ne quam labem perfidiae posâ—it aspergere deserenda est Sadeel de legit Minist vocat p. 6. Aug. Ex. 166. Our heavenly Master gave us vvarning before hand to make the people secure touching evill overseers lest for their sakes the chaire of vvholesome doctrine should be forsaken And Tract in Ioh. 46. The Lords fold hath some overseers that bee Children some that be hirelings ordinances of Religion they approve the faith protessed in points fundamentall the worship performed for the substance Ordinances administred and the truth of Ministerie for substance whereby these things are dispensed For of necessitie if the doctrine of salvation be restored the lawful use of the ministery is restored also Where God is truelie called upon in the Congregation and the Sacraments