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A88837 The lip of truth opened, against a dawber with untempered morter. A few words against a book, written by Magnus Bine priest, in the county of Sussex, which he calls, The scornful quakers answered, &c. But he himself is found the scorner, and the lyer, charging me with things I never spoke, nor never entered into my heart to speak. / Tho. Lawson. Lawson, Thomas, 1630-1691. 1656 (1656) Wing L725; Thomason E889_9; ESTC R206504 49,355 60

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that in thy conscience which in the flesh thou makes merry over and hast sent a gift as I may say a lying Book to the Nations the earthly kinred to increase their mirth over that which bears witness their deeds and thy deeds be evil yet it shall witness us to be of God so the witness of men we receive but lo the witness of God is greater Friend read soberly what is it hath broken thy Covenant and fellowship with the Ranters it hath been but broken of late see if they be denied for conscience sake or for thy two Parish Tyth sake for men are making a reformation in the earth and casting out the scandalous I know thou art crafty and shifty and thy crying against the truth it makes room in the hearts of Sions enemies to receive thee and let thee in so thou pushing with thy horn against them who cry for equity and wait to see righteousness and justice run down the streets in so doing through thy policy craft and guile thou may think to prosper and magnifie thy self in the earth the candle is lighted and set upon a golden Candlestick if that in thy conscience let the see I speak the truth let not thy will which leads thee into covetous practices call me a false SEER but stay thou wilt say for Conscience sake thou breaks off from and witnesses against the Ranters well I say I am glad that thou denies them and thy carding dicing hunting vain pleasures and idle jesting which feeds the old man and if thou obey that which witnesses against these evil things it will lead the out of all selfishness some rubbish and not let thee tast of the dreggs of the old Bottle and come out of thy covetous practices which thou confesses thou lives in thy two Parish Tyth thy hearts great Idol and we cannot but own thee in that which divides thee and thy Idols assunder that in thy conscience this shall own though flesh be angry and OLD CAIN would murder and be wroth Thou tells the Reader that I scoff at the sufferings and dying of Christ in the flesh Answ My Conscience bears me witnesse in the sight of God that thou speaks falsly of me for the just one was betrayed and crucified Matt. 27.35 And in that he dyed he dyed unto sin once and in that he lives he lives unto God Rom. 6.10 This witness bear we Thou tells the Reader that a companion of mine told thee he was Christ and that I yielded to it by silence Answ This is a lie he uttered no such word Thou tells the Reader there is variety of waies to Sion I answer that is false the way is but one 1 Kings 8.36 saith Solomon saith Isaiah Isa 30.21 Saith Jeremiah Jer. 6.16 32 39. One way saith Jeremiah and saith Christ I am the way John 14.6 who was before Abraham before the world was even of old and all the Patriaths Prophets Apostles and all the holy men of God who have walked and do walk in the good old way all these received and receive grace from Christ who is the way John 14 6. Now thou that lives in folly selfishness and covetous practices thou art out of the one way the unclean walk not in it Isa 35.8 So art the Backslider in heart fi●led with thy own waies Prov. 14.14 folly selfishness and covetous practices here is the many waies here is thy variety these lead from Sion into the Chambers of death now Peter a Minister by the will of God he spoke of some that were in thy practices covetous practices 2 Pet. 2.14.15 and he said they had forsaken the right way Thou tells me that the light within me tells me that I call thee Priest in pride and scorn page 15. I answer this is not true neither in pride nor in scorn do I call the Priest but I call the Priest for that thou takes Tyth the wage of the first Priesthood yet thou denies to do his work and Christ who is a Priest for ever who put an end to the Priesthood to the work he also put an end to the wage that he confirmed it to any other prove it if thou canst Thou saies I scoff at thy saying Christ is the first principle of pure Religion and asks me if I will be religious without the Son of God and asks if we must go to Sinai to make us religious was not Paul there and was a persecutor c. page 16.17 I answer Scoffing I deny it is thy own and O shameless man did not I write unto thee and hast not thou printed it that who is come to the Son is in the pure Religion and yet thou asks me if I will be religious without the Son yet know this that while Paul persecuted c. though he had the letter without yet he was without the law Rom. 7.9 Now Christ is the true light who lighteth every one John 1.9 This light is the law written in the heart for saith Solomon the Law is light Prov. 6.23 which light cometh from Christ who lighteth every one now who love the light the Law written in the heart is come to the first principle which shews evill and corruption it condemns for every transgression there the pure religion in measure is witnessed now when the seed which is Christ is come trangression is finished the Body dead because of sin Rom. 8.10 If this thou could receive thou would not stumble at what I said or do now say but would know the Law which is the Scoolmaster to bring to Christ Coll. 3 24. and Christ lighteth every one and the Law is light so thou that asks if we must go to Sinai to make us religious makes it appear thou knows not the Law written in the heart which condemnes and is added because of transgression till the seed come who finishes transgression where condemnation is not if at this thou stumble it is that the Scripture may be fulfilled Christ the seed a stumbling stone but come let us try thy religion Iames tells us what the pure religion is even to be kept unspotted from the world Iames 1.27 Now folly is a spot of the world selfishness a s●ot covetous practices are spots of the world so out of thy own mouth thou art found out of the pure religion Thou saies the Scriptures are the sure word of God page 17. I answer the Scriptures are a witness against thee saying God is the Word Iohn 1.1 and Christ his name is called the word of God Rev. 19.13 This word is quick and powerful and if ever thou comes to know it and to be in it thou will be freed of thy covetous practices now of this word the Scriptures is a true declaration Luke 1.1 Iohn 5.39 1 Iohn 1.3 Thou saies the end of the Scriptures is to turn People to Christ page 17. Answ The Scriptures cannot turn any to Christ but they testifie of that which turn men to Christ Christ said no man can
conscious of errors and sins I confess there was a time when Paul said I know that in my flesh dwels no good thing Rom. 7 18. but then he was a wretched man this was in his warfare but there was a time when flesh was crucified with the affections and lusts Gal 5 24. and he was crucified with Christ and Christ lived in him Gal 2 20. he was no wretched man then when the law rose up in him sin and flesh appeared and was strong and led him captive and he was a wretched man condemned by the righteous law written in the heart which shewed him sin and made him cry out who shall deliver Rom 7. now there was a time when he said he hath delivered Col 1.13 then no more who shall who shall but he hath he hath if thou had been of God thou would have seen thorough his several conditions he passed thorough he became dead to the Law Gal 2 19 so to sin for while man sins the Law is added and though there was a time when he cried out of sin and death Rom 7. yet there was a time when sin and death he was freed from Rom 8.2 and he was more than a conquer or and death was abolished 2 Tim 1 10 even that death which before he complained of then who shall lay any thing to the charge of Gods elect death being abolished it is God that justifieth who is he that condemneth Rom. 8.33 34. now thou art charging such with errors and sins and Job was a just and a perfect man and he abhorred self and covetous practises which thou lives in Job 1 1. Job 42.5 6. and David overcome with a temptation he cried for a new heart a clean heart Psal 51.10 he found no peace till a clean heart was restored to him and did not plead for the old heart nor the works thereof as thou dost Again thou sayes Pauls trembling brought such a peircing sight with it that ever afterwards he saw a body of corruption a fleshly part in him sighting and carrying him forth many times to the law of sin Page 69. I answer That of God in all consciences shall witness against thee as it rises that all thy pleading is for deceit sometime for mastership which Christ forbad for tyth which he put an end unto sometime for unnecessary clothing and much for sin and Sow-like thou would have filth and mire to wallow in and thy speech of Pauls is a lie who saith ever after his trembling he saw a body of corruption c. his words is a witness against thee so would make people believe he sowed to the flesh for such reap corruption but he sowed to the spirit and reaped life Gal. 2.10 Christ the life lived in him and Paul witnessed a freeing from death and corruption and death was abolished Ro. 8.2 2 Tim. 1 10. and flesh was crucified and in that thou saies still fighting that 's a lie he came to be more than a Conquerour Rom. 8 in Christ who abolished death thus with evil thoughts thou art judging the Apostle and looking upon him to be as one of thy Saints as thou calls them who live in rage violence and imaginations which are heathen Thou saies Away with fleshly bodily litteral Trembling and quivering terming it to be Belshazzars trembling or a fit of Mahomet when the falling evil fell upon him c. page 70. Or like a man possessed with the Devil I answer Oh that ever people should be so bewitched as to follow thee and such like who gets thy living with trading with the words of the holy men of God which were spoken forth freely and blasphemes and reviles that which they witnessed what if thou had seen David roaring his flesh trembling Psal 119.120 or Ieremiah all his bones shaking he like a drunken man Ier. 23.9 and Iob trembling all his bones shaking Iob 4 14. Habbakkuk trembling and his lips quivering Hab. 3.17 What if thou had seen these would thou have told them or the Nations to make them odious in the eyes thereof that their trembling was like a fit of Mahomet when the falling evil fell upon him or that they were like men possessed with Devils I know thou art seared and past feeling you that are his hearers take heed how you hold up such a one who as a bruit beast speaks evil of the thing he knows not and when thou hast filled up the measure of thine iniquity the Lord will cut the off who speaks evill of his power and them that are witnesses of it Thou bids me prove that the Priests were to maintain the Fatherless Widdows and Strangers page 73. I answer Thou may read that out of the Tyth such were to be maintained Deut. 14.28 29. and that by Commandment from the Lord they had as much property to their share in Tyth as the Levite and your selfishness herein appears in crying up your own property in and to Tyth but as for the fatherless widdow and strangers their property to Tyth I never heard Priest plead for and their property was as absolute to Tyth as the Levites as the Scripture declares so that if from the Commandment under the Law you could prove Tyth your property then were it also the property of the fatherless widdow and strangers then may it be truly said of you there is not a Tything Priest in England that pleads the cause of the fatherless widdow and strangers The first Priesthood took Tyth by a Law Heb. 7. and by a Commandment but the Law is changed and the Commandement dissanulled by Christ Jesus and that he confirmed it by a Law to his Ministry he sent forth this remains for you to prove but thou bids me prove that the Priests was to maintain the fatherless c. thou sot was not Israel a Kingdom of Priests as Gods Covenant they kept Exod. 19.6 and Shelemiah the Priest and others distributed to the brethren Nehe. 13.13 the Scripture mentions a teaching Priest and the several Tythings according to the Scriptures in their places I own Thou saies I that deny Tyth to be the Ministers due am a Robber of God Prov. 3.9 Mall 3.8 I answer thou runs far to plead for the wages of unrighteousness in the time of the Law Tyth was an Ordinance so who denied to pay it robbed God but Christ is come and hath put an end to the Law Priesthood Commandment and the hand-writing of Ordinances he blotted out Heb. 7.12 18. Col. 2.14 and the Ordinance for the Priesthood and for the Tyth was in the hand-writing written with the hand he blotted out and that he ordained Tyth again to the twelve seventy or Apostles this prove else it s not your due but thou tells me I am guilty of Ananias his sin in speaking against your Tyth I answer Ananias his not giving Tyth to the hireling Priest was not his sin nor his not giving Tyth to the Apostles but his lying Acts 5.1 2 3 4 5. for said
binding Satan is prolonged Page 35. I answer For all thy high talk thou yet knows not what spirit thou art of therefore do I leave this and all other thy sayings to be considered of by all the sober minded being weighed in the ballance of the Sanctuary thy sayings are light as chaffe who cals such as be in imaginations violence and rage Saints such as thou cals Saints such David called Heathen Psal 2 1. The time is coming and already is that the pure fine linnen is put on even Christ the righteousness of Saints which righteousness is without mixture Rev 19.8 this is not rage violence and imaginations which thy Saints as thou cals them are clad withal with such jugling and deceitful poysonous venomous speeches thou deceives people telling them they are Saints though they live in rage which is a mark of a heathen violence and imaginations thus thou flatters them and may well be called a dawber and puffs them up with a holy name but the hellish nature is standing in them and tels them they are Saints though the day of binding be prolonged this is all thou knows o● the Saints in light who cals such Saints as David called Heathen and this is all thou knows of the binding of Satan or of the Chain or Angel who cals such Saints in whom Satan is not bound so alive thou art without the Law so I leave thee who stands praying in the Synagogue a popish house this is a mark to know a Hypocrite by Math. 6.5 Christ and his Apostles drew people out of the Synagogues Temple and Temple-worship and met in such a house so called the Church of God in such a house as saith the Scriptures Rom. 16.5 1 Cor. 16.19 Thou sayes After all your vain study and labour each to draw Disciples after himself c. the best and safest way will be for every one to rely upon the Lord Page 35. 36. Answ O shame with thy leading of others who art not yet entred into the best and safest way which is Christ the way who is our Lord so art thou in a vain study and labour to draw Disciples after thy self that thou may be a Master among them and in self thou art in covetous practises and keeps disciples in self who puts into thy mouth and such thou cries up for Saints though they live in rage but Christ is the truth who is contrary to self who put an end to tyth and where the truth rises it denies to pay tyth so thou lives in self as thou hast confessed and keeps thy disciples in self and self puts into thy mouth that which is contrary to self sees thee and thy vain study Again thou art telling of David a man after Gods own heart notwithstanding all his blemishes and errors and God accepteth the will for the deed where the will is real and true Page 39. Answ Thou art telling of David a man after Gods own heart notwithstanding all his blemishes and errors O blind guide thou knows not what thou saith nor whereof thou affirms is there blemish or error in Gods heart Is he who is in the blemishes and errors after Gods own heart I say nay but contrary to it now there was a time when David did onely that which was right 1 King 14.8 then he was kept out of blemishes and errors these things be not right then he had the heart of God but when he entred into blemishes he lost the heart of God all blemishes and errors are in the old heart and when David was in these things he prayed for a clean heart and a right spiri●● Psal 52.10 if David had been after Gods heart when he was in blemishes what need he to have prayed for a clean heart and in the time of the Law the Sacrifice no blemish was to be in it Lev. 22.21 22. If thou had received the end of the Law this thou would see and this thou alledges for a cover for thy filthiness as though thou be in folly in selfishness in covetous practises as thou confesses yet thou would perswade us thou art according to Gods heart depart HYPOCRITE there is no error nor blemish in that way which the Prophet saw which is known and walked in by such as witness Christ the end of the Prophets read without thou art blind within Isaiah 35.8 Ephes 5.25 26 27. Jam. 1.16 Thou sayes God accepts the will for the deed where the will is real and true I answer There is no will real and true but his own and here every deed is good God accepts no will but his own so said Christ the Son thy will be done who came to do his Fathers will but that will that brings forth evil deeds is neither real not true but this is thy aim to have thy will and thy folly selfishness and covetous practises which thou confesses thou lives in to be justified so thy will and thy deeds who is of God denies Thou sayes Old things are passed away and all things are become new there in Gods estimation where new and old are fighting one against another Page 39. I answer Prove it by Scripture God accounts no otherwise of things than they be herein thou seeks to strengthen the hands of evil doers in perswading them that though they live in old things yet in Gods estimation all things are become new so to stop them for waiting to see all things become new or so to fight as to overcome Thou sayes The Apostle saith plainly in all the Saints there is no sin and yet there is sin in all Page 45. I answer There is no such Scripture it s thy corrupt reasoning before thou hast been pleading for mastership for the belly now for sin which is the image of the Devil that 1 John 1. justifies not this thy doctrine and in ver 10. If we say we have not sinned c. who say but they have sinned all have sinned dost not thou know what Have hath relation unto But he that abides in Christ sins not 1 John 3.6 this thou must own except thou wrest the Scripture and make a nose of wax Pope like in this I leave thee who loves the cheif place at feasts though in words thou may deny it a mark to know a Pharisee by Matth. 23.6 Thou sayes That the Saints have sin is a truth written in the Scriptures c. for there is not a just man upon earth that doth good and sins not but that the Saints ought to have sin this the Scriptures cries out against Page 45. Answ T is true there is not a just man upon earth c. for all that dwell upon earth worship the beast Rev. 13.8 but John saw a hundred forty four thousand redeemed from the earth Re. 14.1 2 3 4 5. these were undefiled without fault or guile dare thou lay any thing to the charge of these but thou sayes none is without sin but that the Saints ought to have sin this the