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A27058 The true history of councils enlarged and defended against the deceits of a pretended vindicator of the primitive church, but indeed of the tympanite & tyranny of some prelates many hundred years after Christ, with a detection of the false history of Edward Lord Bishop of Corke and Rosse in Ireland ... and a preface abbreviating much of Ludolphus's History of Habassta : written to shew their dangerous errour, who think that a general council, or colledge of bishops, is a supream governour of all the Christian world ... / by Richard Baxter ... ; to which is added by another hand, a defence of a book, entituled, No evidence for diocesan churches ... Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691. 1682 (1682) Wing B1438; ESTC R39511 217,503 278

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Errours and repent that I used not more forbearance of some of my Accusations of some of them 6. I did think that Richard Cromwell was an Usurper But when we had been twelve Years at least without a rightful Governour I then thought as Thomas White alias Blacklow the moderate Papist wrote that the Land could not subsist in Society without some Government and that No-Government is worse to the People than a Usurped one And that it is somtime lawful to submit and use an Usurper when it is not lawful to approve his Entrance And wherein I was deceived I am willing to be better informed 7. But I do unfeignedly repent that I wrote those two Epistles though it was to put a man on to do good whom I never saw ●or ●●●● had the least to do with 8. And I do more repent of the cause of all viz. that I appointed God a time and limited his Providence and thought that because so many Armies and Endeavours had failed Twelve or Fourteen Years that had attempted the restoring of the King therefore there was no probability of accomplishing it I do not repent that I was not a Prophet to know before what God would do for it was not in my power nor do I repent that I preached Christs Gospel under Usurpers but I repent that I waited not Gods time and did not better consider that want of humane Power is no hinderance to Omnipotency and nothing is difficult to him 9. I was drawn too far by Mr. Harringtons Scorn and the dislike of Sir Henry Vane's Attempts for a Common-Wealth to meddle with matters of Government and to write my Political Aphorisms called A Holy Common-Wealth And I do unfeignedly repent that ever I wrote and published it and had not more confined my self to the matters proper to my Calling and let those meddle with forms of Government who were fitter for it All these besides what 's formerly said to Mr. Bagshaw I declare my unfeigned Repentance of And though it pleaseth you to feign me a Schismatick and hater of Repentance for speaking against the fault● that needed it I shall thank you to be a real helper of me in so necessary a work as Repentance is And that I may do the like by you I shall now only requite you with this Advice that before you write next you will set before your Eyes the Ninth Commandment Thou shalt not bear false Witness against thy Neighbour And that when you say your Prayers you would be serious when you say Lord have Mercy upon us and encline our hearts to keep this Law § 25. A Roman Zeal tells us that Faction and Schism when animated by worldly Interest and grown up to a malignant hatred of the things and persons that are averse to it is hardly bounded but is thriving up towards destructive Persecution as swelling Prelacy did towards the Papacy and the Inquisition It is not one or two Fishes that will satisfie the stomach of a Pike Nor is it the slandering or ruining of one or two men or silencing of one or two of the Ministers of Christ that will satisfie a malignant Spirit One Meal will not make a lean Man fat Whether there be a Legion in those that would destroy a Legion of Christs Servants or one have so much Power I know not but the effects tell us what manner of Spirit they are of But let the Papists pass § 26. When I read p. 337 and 358 359. and such passages it makes me think of them that cried His Blood be on us and our Children together with our Judge's words In as much as you did it or did it not to one of the least of these my Brethren you did it or did it not to me P. 337. he saith There is great reason to value the peaceable Resignation of the Nonconformists when we consider by what Usurpation and Violence they were brought in and what a number of worthy learned Ministers were turned out to make vacancies for these men who were to instruct the People in new Mysteries of Religion which their old Pastors had not the Conscience or Ability to teach them that is of the lawfulness of Rebellion And p. 358 c. There were many of those Ministers Usurpers and had intruded into the Churches of other men who had been silenced and cast out There were many others that were intruders into the Ministry and such not a few of them as Mr. B. himself would not have thought fit to have continued All the rest were such as would not submit to the Rule that was then established in the Church but chose rather to leave their Livings and the Bishops could not help it any otherwise than as they were Members of Parliament for it was the Law that tied them to their choice and not the Bishops If Mr. B. means what happened before the last Civil Wars as it 's likely he may then these ancient Teachers were the instruments of an Antimonarchical Antiepiscopal Faction They would preach but they would not conform to the Established Religion Nay many of them would preach against it and against their Governours too These were such Incend●●ries as no Government would endure c. Ans When you have noted this part of his History it will not be hard to judge of his credibility I. The things that he defendeth is the silencing and prosecuting of three sorts of Ministers 1. Many Hundreds of Nonconformists in the days of Qu. Eliz. K. James and some few in the time of K. Charles 1. 2. Many Conformists in the time of K. Charles 1. under Bishop Laud. 3. About 2000 that conform not to the New Laws of Uniformity in the time of K. Ch. 2. What these Ministers were or are and what the fruits of their silencing have been and what it hath done to the Church of England and to many Thousands of Godly Christians I will not be ●udge Nor will I dispute that which all England sees or feels But it seems so well done to our Historian as that he is willing deliberately to justifie or defend it which as I understand is to make it his own and to undertake to be one of those that shall answer for it What if another had done as much against him as he hath done against himself And for how small a prize II. As he before would insinuate that what is said of the great number of Drunkards and ignorant men turned out was false though so judged upon the Oaths of men accounted the greatest lovers of Religion in their Parishes so he seemeth here to intimate that it was only or chiefly into the places of learned worthy men that the silenced Ministers succeeded whereas it was not one of many that came into any such mens places of them that were silenced at the fatal Bartholomew day III. He seemeth to intimate that when the Parliament suppose by wrong put out either such as he or I describe the Land must be under
once they perswade me to Reviews and Retractions Partly heaping up abundance of down right Falshoods Partly clipping Sentences and leaving out the part that should make them understood and turning true Words by perversion into Falshoods And partly by mixing this known Truth That I was on the Parliaments side and openly declared it But when at the new Model I saw that they changed their Cause I changed my Practice was from the Day that I went into the Army a resolved Opposer of all that they did to the Changing of the Government their Usurpation was sent among them to that end which was immediately after Naseby Fight And continued openly disowning the Usurpation and the Means that set it up And though I was Preaching and Writing against the said Usurpers when an Army was Fighting for them against the King and the King knew how to forgive and Honour them that did so much to his Restoration yet are the Accusers so far from forgiving those that never personally hurt a Man that they forbear not multiplying false Accusations yea and accusing those Ministers and private Men that never had to do with Wars Yea the same Men that then wrote against me for the Changers and Usurpers have since been the fierce Accusers of us that opposed them And if these Men be unsatisfyed of my present Judgment I have no hope of giving them Satisfaction if all will not do it which I have largely written in my Second Plea for Peace for Loyalty and against Rebellion and all my Confutation of Hooker's Politicks in the Last Part of my Christian Directory with much more But this Book must have if any a Peculiar Answer V. Lately when I taught my Hearers That we must not make the World believe that we are under greater Sufferings than we are nor be unthankful for our Peace and that we must when any hurt us love and forgive them and see that we fail not of our Duty to them but not forsake the owning and just defending by Scripture-Evidence the Truth opposed They Printed that I Bid the People Resist and not stand still and dye like Dogs And I was put the next Day to appeal to many Hundred Hearers who all knew that the Accusation was most impudent Lies This is our present Case VI. The Players I hope expect no Answer to their Part. London Printed for R. Janeway in Queens-Head-Alley in Pater-Noster-Row 1682. The General Part containing the Design and Sum of this and the former Book that it may be understood what it is that Mr. Morrice defendeth and opposeth and what it is that I maintain or blame and by what Evidence § 1. I Have been these forty years much troubled with the temptation to wonder why God suffers most of the World to lie drown'd in Ignorance Infidelity and Sensuality and the Church of Professed Christians to live in so great Scandal Contention Division and for the greater number in a Militant Enmity against the Word Will Way and Servants of Christ while in Baptism they are Listed under him But of late since Experience tells me of the marvelous Diversity of Humane Interests and Apprehensions and the deep Enmity of the Fleshly Mind to Spiritual things I admire the Wisdom and Providence of God that there is so much Order and Peace and Love in the World of Mankind as there is And that all men live not as in a continual War And I perceive that if God had not preserved by Common Grace some remnants of Moral Honesty in the World and had not also sanctified a peculiar People whose New Nature is LOVE the Sons of Men would have been far worse than Bears and Wolves to one another and a man would have fled with greater fear from the sight of another man than from a Snake or Tyger But God hath not left himself without witness in his Works and daily Providences and in the Consciences of those who have not sinned themselves into Brutes or Devils And hence it is that there is some Government and Order in the World and that sin is ashamed of its proper name and even they that live in Pride Covetousness Ambition Lying Persecution c. cannot endure to hear the name of that which they can endure to keep and practise and cannot endure to forsake § 2. And indeed it is a great Credit to Honesty and Piety to Truth and Love and Peace and Justice that the deadliest Enemies of them are ambitious of their Names and though they will damn their Souls rather than be such they will challenge and draw upon any man that denieth them to be such And I must profess that I fetch hence a great confirmation of the Immortality of Souls and a Future Life of Retribution For if there were not a very great difference between Moral Good and Evil what should make all the world even the worst of men be so desirous to be accounted Good and so impatient of being thought and called naught and as they deserve And if the difference be so vast here must there not needs be a Governour of the World that hath made such a difference by his Laws and Providence and who will make a greater difference hereafter when the End and Judgment cometh § 3. Among other Causes of Humane Pravity and Confusion one is the exceeding difficulty that young men meet with in the communication of so much Knowledge as they must necessarily receive from others Knowledge is not born with them It is but the power and capacity of it and not the act in which an Infant excels a Dog And how shall they have it but by Objects and Communication And Objects tell them not things past the Knowledge of which is necessary to make them understand things present and to come and without which it is not possible to be wise And God teacheth not Men now by Angels sent from Heaven but by Men that were taught themselves before and by his Spirit blessing mens endeavours And when I have said by Man how bad how sad a creature have I named Alas David's haste Psal 116. was not erroneous passion nor Paul's words Rom. 3. a slander when they called all men Lyers that is untrusty and so little do men know that must teach others and so much doth all corruption incline them to love flattering Lies and to take fleshly Interest the World and the Devil for their Teachers and to hate the Light because it disgraceth their hearts and deeds and so much goeth to make a man wise that it must be a wonder of merciful Providence that shall help young men to Teachers that shall not be their Deceivers There were ever comparatively few that were truly wise and trusty and these usually despised in the World § 4. And how should young men know who these are This is the grand difficulty that maketh the Errour of the World so uncurable It requireth much wisdom to know who is wise and to be trusted who can well
it But we are mistaken No doubt men can write learned Volumes to defend any of these and if one do but say They please not God men may be found that can say I believe in my Conscience that you are mistaken and speak unpeaceably God is pleased with it all Sure the day of Judgment will be much to justifie God himself who is thus slandered as the Friend of every mans Sin What wonder is it if there be numerous Religions in the World when every selfish man maketh a God and a Religion of his own fitted to his Interest and Mind But when all men center onely in one God and bring their Minds to his and not conceitedly his to theirs we may yet be One. And if we could make men know that God is not for them and accepteth not of a Sacrifice of Innocent Blood however men think that they do him good Service yet they would not have this known It 's long since unhumbled Sinners turned Church-Confession into Auricular If Saul do say at last I have sinned he would yet be honoured before the People But the time is near when those that honour God he will honour and those that despise him shall be lightly esteemed Few men living can easier bear with others for different forms and Ceremonies than I but I take not the silencing and ruining of 2000 Ministers for Ceremonies were that the worst of it to be a Ceremony § 6. Pag. 69. You say We are not all of one mind yet A sad word from a Bishop Do you think that any two Men on Earth are of one mind in all things Were those agreed whom Paul persuadeth Rom. 14. to receive each other but not to doubtful Disputations and not to judge or despise each other much less to silence imprison and destroy We are agreed in all that is constitutive of Christianity and agreed that all Christians should love others as themselves and do as they would be done by I confess if you have such eminent Self-denial as to be willing if ever you differ from the publick Impositions about the lawfulness of any one thing to be not only cast out of your Lordship and Bishoprick but to be silenced imprisoned and destroyed I cannot accuse you of Partiality but of Errour I have known too many Conformists who needed no Bishop to silence them they never preached But that will not justifie their desires that others be silenced I have oft enough told you in how many things the Conformists are disagreed I now say the Bishops themselves are not agreed of the very Species of the Church of England To say nothing of their disagreement of the Constitutive national Head or Governour they are not agreed whether it be only a part of an universal humane political Church subject to an universal humane supream Power who hath the right of Legislation and judgment over them or whether it be a compleat national Church of it self a part only of the universal as Headed by Christ but not as by Man or as humane Politie having no foreign Governour Monarchical or Aristocratical Pope or Council Overdoing is illdoing and undoing He that would make such a Law of Concord as that none shall live out of Prison who are not of the same Age Complexion Appetite and Opinion would depose the King by leaving him no Subjects The Inquisition is set up in Love of Unity But we know that we shall differ while we know but in part Only the perfect World hath perfect Concord I greatly rejoice in that Concord which is among all that truly love God They love one another and agree in all that is necessary to Salvation The Church of the Conformists is all agreed for Crossing and the Surplice and for the Imposed Oaths Professions and Covenants Oh that all our Parishioners who plead for the Church were agreed that the Gospel is true and that Christ is not a Deceiver and that Man dyeth not as Dogs but hath a Life of future Retribution § 7. P. 69. Asking Were not almost all the Westminster Assembly Episcopal Conformable men when they came thither He can say No not in their hearts as appeared by their fruits And he cites some words of the sense of the Parliament Jun. 12. 1643. Ans 1. See here a Bishop that knew the hearts of hundreds of men whom he never saw to be contrary to their Profession and constant Practice 2. And he can prove by their reporting the Parliaments words what was these Ministers own Judgment 3. And he can prove by those words in Jun. 1643. what was their Judgment a Year or two before and is sure that the Scots Arguments did not change them 4. And he can prove that those are no Episcopal Conformists who are for the ancient Episcopacy only described by Bishop Usher and take the English frame to be only lawful but not unalterable or best And if really he do take him to be no Episcopal Conformist who is for enduring any way but their own it is he and not I that gave them so bad a Character It is he and not I that intimateth that those moderate Conformists who had rather Church-Government were reformed than such Confusion made by silencing and hunting Christians are at the Heart no Episcopal Conformists Their Hearts I confess much differ from the Silencers and Hunters § 8. He maketh me a false Historian for fixing the War on the Erastian Party in Parliament Ans Did I lay it only on the Erastians Have I not undeniably proved that the War here began between two Episcopal Parties Of which one part were of A. Bp. Abbots Mr. Hookers and the generality of the Bishops and Parliaments mind and the other of Bp. Lauds Sibthorps Maynwarings Heylins A. Bp. Bromhalls c. mind And the first sort some of them thought Episcopacy Jure Divino but the English Frame not unreformable And the other sort thought it was but Jure humano and these were called by some Erastians Let him give me leave to produce my Historical proofs even to single men by name that the English War began between these two Parties and I defie all his false Contradiction Only supposing 1. That I speak not of the King nor of the War in Ireland or Scotland 2. That I grant that the Nonconformists were most for the Parliament and the Papists most against them But when I have said so much to Mr. Hinkley already to prove this did this Lord Bishop think to be believed without confuting it § 9. But it transcendeth all bounds of Historical credibility that he answereth this by saying He and all his Abettors must know the Catalogues of that Parliament and that Assembly are still in our hands the Copies of their Speeches and Journals of their Votes c. Ans They are so to the Shame of such Historians You have many of them in Whitlocks Memorials I knew so great a number my self of the Parliament Assembly and Army as makes me pitty the