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A67722 A coffee-house dialogue, or, A discourse between Captain Y--- and a young barrester of the Middle-Temple with some reflections upon the bill against the D. of Y. Yarranton, Andrew, 1616-1684. 1679 (1679) Wing Y10; ESTC R15734 4,922 6

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my part I neither approve of the Man nor his Reasons Cap. Not the Man Why you don't know who ' t is P. But I know he fails in his Morals by injuriously calumniating both His Majesty and all the Worthy Clergy of our Church for Pag. 3. he tells you 't is the constant Practice of Church-men to debauch young Gentlemen with ill Principles and the Episcopal Sees Deanries c. were the certain and constant Rewards of such Services such Superlative Impudence ought to be quell'd not with a Pen but with the Magistrates Sword However this is to be said in alleviation of his Fault what he has spoke is so grosly false that no one in their Wits will believe him Cap. Pray let this alone come to his Reasons methinks you do not care to meddle with them P. I will shew you there is not one thing in the whole Pamphlet worthy the name of a Reason For as to the first and last position which he so much endeavours to refute and God knows does it boldly enough there is no need of them to maintain this Cause so that the four first Pages and the four last which the Gentleman is pleased to give us ex abundanti contains only a parcel of insignificant Stuff As for his Instance of Reboboam that God said This thing was of Him what then Therefore he approved of the Action of the Rebels This looks like the Logick of one that rails at the University Is there any Evil in the City and I have not done it saith the Lord Ergo he approves of the afflicting Instruments He hardned Pharoah's Heart that he might not let the Children of Israel go ergo he was pleased with Pharoah for keeping them A brave Divine Indeed the Church of England men and he do differ on Opinion Cap. Well but he hath other Instances P. I tell you Sir they are all impertinent for he hath neither proved his Cases to be parallel to ours nor that the Actors did what they did justly the question between us is not only what hath and what may be done but what hath justly and may justly be done for unless he will argue Every thing that hath been done hath been justly done which is like his Logick he hath said nothing to the purpose When he can prove that William and Henry did justly exclude Rob. who was their right and true King de Jure he will speak to the Point But pray observe his Reason why Rob. was put by because William was not an honest man not because Rob. was dishonest What think you is not this a brave Fellow to be in Print I so much insist Sir upon this Term justly because the Supreme Authority may chance to do something unjust else instead of Destroying he 'l Make. Popes for they may do something against the Divine Law But to be short what think you of Strafford's Case I hope we all know that Act of Parliament was sufficiently repented of because 't was unjust Let us see then how it suits with our Case Strafford received a more severe punishment by that Act than the Laws of the Realm had provided for such Offences this was all and here lay the injustice of the Act. If this Bill had pass'd the D. had receiv'd more severe Punishment for his Faults than the Laws of the Realm have provided in such Cases either therefore that Act was just or this Bill unjust In Tricesimo Quinto of the Queen it is with good reason provided if any made open Submission and Declaration of his or their Conformity that then they shall be discharged of and from all and every the Penalties and Punishments inflicted Now suppose the D. should conform if this Bill had pass'd it had nothing availed him and though the meanest Subject in the Kingdom might have taken Advantage by his Conformity yet the D. could not a most unreasonable thing Now upon the whole matter I appeal to any impartial man whether this Argument will not hold All Subjects ought in reason and justice to bear equal Punishment for equal Faults But if the Bill had pass'd the D. had had a more severe Punishment than any other Subject for the same Fault Therefore c. We have hitherto taken it for granted the D. is a Papist but now let us see whether the Parliament could justly when the Bill was brought take notice of him as such I demand therefore Had he been legally convicted of Popery Cap. I cannot say that P. Why then every man is supposed innocent till he be Tryed and proved Guilty and I believe all people will agree to this Argument That 't is highly unjust to Condemn any man unheard but if this Bill had passed the D. had been Condemned unheard therefore he had been unjustly Condemned 'T is certain by the same Reason and Justice they may make a Law to Condemn one man unheard they may make a Law to Condemn all men unheard and how would you like such a Law Cap. I perceive you conclude the Duke to be guilty of no other Fault but Popery but alas we all know there are a great many other Offences laid to his Charge and things of a high Nature too but no more of that P. Now are we to believe you have a thundering Reserve when in truth you do not know so much as you have spoke Suppose him Sir to be Actor of the most and greatest Crimes that ever mortal man was let him without Favour be charged with them all but let him be summon'd to make his Defence and then from what Imputation he cannot clear himself let him suffer for it according to the Laws in such Cases But that there should be new Laws made to punish His particular Person only or that he should be condemn'd unheard are things I will maintain against you and all the Fanatick Crew to be Dissentaneous both to right Reason and Justice Cap. Talk what you will I cannot believe but that the Parliament may lay the next Heir aside for what if he should be a Fool or a Mad-man must we be govern'd by him P. I begin now to be weary with your Impertinence Pray who does not know 't is every man's Fate according to Law and Reason that is an Ideot or Mad-man to lose the Government of his Inheritance and this rather fortifies than exonerates what I have said That Justice must be alike to all Subjects Therefore I hope I have fully evinc'd that though the Divines are against the Bill which is more than either you or I know they are not for that blame-worthy Cap. Nay talk as long as you will I shall still be of the same mind P. Well I see you are an obstinate prejudic'd Man therefore I 'le take my Leave Farewell FINIS