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A54120 The Christian-Quaker and his divine testimony vindicated by Scripture, reason, and authorities against the injurious attempts that have been lately made by several adversaries, with manifest design to rendor him odiously inconsistent with Christianity and civil society : in II parts. / The first more general by William Penn ; the second more particular by George Whitehead. Penn, William, 1644-1718.; Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723. 1674 (1674) Wing P1266; ESTC R37076 464,302 582

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of that which there is no Danger of or that from a Fear of Destruction they may fear him when they are from Et●…rnity unalterably secured from Destruction or of Salvation as is supposed What Non-sense and impertinent Preaching and Warning is this to dissemble People into a Fear and Cautiousness of that which they are out of all Danger of incurring especially if God's Purpose in the Case be so unchangeable as to particular Persons that Sin it self cannot alter it Is this Way of Presbyterians warning Men of Destruction being compared with their partial Opinion any better then frighting Children with fond Conceits and Fancies of things that are not But we are sure that the Warnings that both Moses the Prophets and Apostles gave were real and serious both as to their Tendence and Consequence and not with such partial and contradictory Reserves and Opinions as this of the Presbyterians eternal Election and Reprobation of particular Persons Object Whom he will he hardeneth Rom. 9. Peter deserved sect 9 hardening as well as Judas That God hardeneth Judas not Peter proceeds from the meer Pleasure of his Will p. 114. Rep. The Man most egregiously mistakes in this his placing such a severe Act of God's Will as hardening any that are rebellious upon meer Will and Pleasure in our Opposer's Sense as the Cause of such a Judgment whereas it cannot be the meer Will and Pleasure of God to use such Severity as to harden and destroy his Creatures for he delighteth in Mercy Micah 7. 18. and hath no ●…leasure in the Death of him that dyeth and he willeth not the Death of a Sinner but rather his Return Ezek. 18. 23. 33. 11. So that when he will harden or give Persons up to the Hardeness of their Hearts Justice as being provoked is of Necessity the Reason of his so acting and not meer Will and Pleasure neither doth he harden Men from Eternity but in Time because of their Rebellion resisting and gain-saying him in the Time of his long Suffering and Warnings to them which doubtless he fore-saw in Pharaoh who was in himself a proud imperious cruel Rebel against God and Tyrant over his People which appeared when he was warned in his saying Who is the Lord that I should obey his Voice to let Isra●…l go I know not the Lord neither will I let Israel go * Exod. 5. 2. As also Pharaoh's Rebellion appear'd when he hardened his own Heart when he saw there was Respite Exod. 8. 15. So God's giving him up to Hardeness of Heart was not upon meer Will and Pleasure for that is all the Reason that the severe Actions of such Tyrants as Pharaoh yields as namely Will and Pleasure their Will is their Law they will be cruel and oppress because they will do so But all the Judgments of the Lord are just and righteous respecting the Merit of the Fact or Cause more then meer Will and Pleasure therefore it was his Will to give Pha●…aoh Judas and many others up to Hardeness because it was Just so to do for that their Rebellion and Provocation was exceeding great and high against him when as rigorous and cruel Tyrants use their Power in their Cruelties and Oppressions and seek to temporize and draw out their Subjects into Irreligiousness and Debaucheries only upon Will and Pleasure which to affix upon God as the Reason of hardening any is no small Degree of Blasphemy as is this Man 's accusing God with the meer Pleasure of his Will as the Cause or Reason of hardening Judas not Peter his accusing Peter with deserving hardening as well as Judas is his manifest Error making no Difference between Judas his Offence and Peter's nor between their States and Conditions As the State of Peter who through Weakness and Fear denyed Christ which he presently repented of and that of Judas who wilfully betrayed Christ and delivered him into the Hands of Murtherers Was not here a vast Difference between Peter and Judas what say you Professors to it and a great Reason for the Judgment of God upon that Traytor Judas more then meer Will and Pleasure S. S. Arg. As there are particular Angels whom God suffered sect 10 to fall though he could as easily have preserved them as he did the rest so there are particular Men and Women whom God endures with much long Suffering to fit themselves for Destruction therefore from all Eternity did God decree thus to do concerning them in particular for known to the Lord are all his Works from the Foundation of the World p. 114 Answ. God's suffering Men and Angels to fall or to fit themselves for Destruction doth much differ from eternally decreeing them particularly for Destruction for if he had so decreed concerning them meerly as particular Persons what needed he endure t●…em with much long Suffering that being both a Testimony of his Grace or Favour towards them and of his Unwillingness to destroy them for his long Suffering and Goodness leadeth some to Repentance and his Judgment is according to Truth upon them that despise the Riches of his Goodness and Forbearance Rom. 2. And concerning the Fall of those Angels that fell 1st God did neither particularly design it nor was he the Author of it no more then of Men's Transgressions in general he hath ordained the Punishment of the Ungodly not their Ungodliness for in Jude 6. it is said The Angels which kept not their first Estate or Principality but left their own Habitation he hath reserved in everlasting Chains under Darkness c. To that Saying God could have preserved them I answer They provoked him which was their great Sin and Loss to themselves Therefore he saw it not meet to continue his Love and Favour to them which they had so abused Neither is it his Will or Way to detain or restrain any forceably in his Way whether they will or not nor to preserve any without their Diligence in attending upon him and keeping their Habitations 2dly So likewise concerning those that were ordained of old to this Condemnation Jude 4. or as it may be read who were of old prescribed to this Judgment of the Ungodly however they as Ungodly Men were so ordained for Condemnation not meerly as particular Persons but as such who were so far fallen from the Grace of God as to transfer his Favours unto Luxury denying the only Lord God They were also Trees whose Fruit wither d twice dead c. Jude 12. Surely they could not be twice Dead if they had never been Quickned but their Ingratitude and Abuse of the Grace of God that had quickned them caused their Condemnation as God spared not the Angels that sinned but cast them down to Hell they having left their own Habitation and spared not the old World nor the Cities of Sodom and Gomorrah whom he condemned with an Overthrow making them an Ensample unto those that after should live Ungodly 2 Pet. 2. This sufficiently declares the Reason Cause