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A33929 A compendious discourse about some of the greatest matters of Christian faith propounded and explained between a minister and an enquiring Christian ... : and also may serve for an answer to two books, one called The practical discourse of the sovereignty of God, the other called The death of death, by the death of Christ, written by J.O. : whereunto is annexed a very brief appendix / written by T. Collier. Collier, Thomas, fl. 1691. 1682 (1682) Wing C5274; ESTC R20632 146,911 256

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Punishment of their former sins So he is said to raise up Pharaoh as a Punishment of his former sin in oppressing the People of God Ex. 1. 8. to 22. and 3. 7 8 9. So Dr. Usher ' s Substance of Christianity p. 58. It 's usual with God to Punish one sin with another as for Example the hardening of Pharaohs heart was a sin in Pharaoh and God brought it upon him not as a sin but as a Punishment of his former sin and this opens the whole matter in Rom. 9. and 11. chapters and otherwise to understand it maketh God the Author both of sin and Judgment contradicteth the Scriptures and draweth a black Clould over the blessed Gospel of Gods free Grace to men Christ I am well satisfied in what you have said in this matter the 2d Scripture I desire you to speak to is Act. 13. 48. As many as were ordained to Eternal life believed From hence some conclude that the Elect only obtained and the rest were by Predestination rejected Minist To this I shall say 1. That the words may be as well read as many as believed were ordained to Eternal life 2. As I have elsewhere said the word Ordained may be as properly read addicted From 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which may be rendered to Ordain Dispose set in Order or Addict So is the same word translated 1 Cor. 16. 15. They addicted themselves to the Ministry of the Saints it would be improper to say they Ordained themselves 3. To conclude that the rest were reprobated by Eternal Decree is very unscriptural and unchristian like for they that did not then believe might afterwards or at least some of them If a Minister should now come and Preach to a People that may be rebellious would he conclude them all or any of them to be reprobated by Eternal Decree and never Preach more to them If so Preaching for Conversion would quickly be at an end does not God wait long and use much means to overcome men by Rom. 10. 21. Luk. 13. 34. Christ The 3d. Scripture is 1 Pet. 2. 8. Those that stumbled at the word being disobedient whereunto they were appointed From hence some concludes that they were appointed to disobedience and therefore could not be saved Minist This is a great wrong to the Truth of God and to the true meaning of that Scripture they stumbled at the word whereunto they were set and so Tindal Translates it but take it set or appointed it 's all one they were set or appointed to the word to believe and obey it to which they were disobedient and not appointed to disobedience as some vainly and wickedly affirm Christ The 4th Scripture is 2 Pet. 2. 12. But these as natural Brute Beasts made to be taken and destroyed Hence some conclude that God made some Men on purpose to destroy them and such cannot be saved Minist This likewise is greatly misunderstood and applyed It was the Brute Beasts that was made to be taken and destroyed and not the People spoken of it being a Metaphor taken from Brute Beasts which are fatted to the day of slaughter so such men do brutishly destroy themselves Hos 13. 9. read the words and leave the Metaphor as in a Parenthesis and you may easily understand the true sence But these as Brute Beasts and speak Evil of things they understand not and shall perish in their own Corruption not because they were made to be destroyed it was the Brute Beasts that was so made But as Brute Beasts are prepared so they prepare themselves for destruction by speaking Evil of things they understand not and so perish in their own Corruption A word of Warning it should be to all especially of that Spirit and Principles to take heed and beware of speaking Evil of what they understand not lest they prove to be some of those here spoken of like Brute Beasts who are made to be destroyed knowing that brutish principles will as certainly end in destruction as brutish practices Christ The 5th Scripture is Prov. 16. 4. The Lord hath made all for himself yea even the wicked for the day of Evil. Hence some infer that God made the wicked to be Damned and therefore they cannot be saved Minst 1. It 's certain true that God hath Ordained and declared that wicked men who so live and dye shall have Condemnation 2. The Scriptures do not say that God made them wicked I think it would be an Evil saying against God so to affirm and if he did not make them wicked then he did not make them in the sence intended for the day of Evil. 3. Take it in their sence then all men must be damned for themselves affirm That all are born lyable to the second death and the Scripture saith that all before Conversion are wicked Rom. 3. 9. to 18. 23. So that if wicked men were made by the Lord to be damned then all must be damned 4. Therefore I understand the truth in that Scripture intended is that God made all for himself and such as go on wilfully in a way of Rebellion a●ainst him he hath determined and declared that such are for the day Evil i. e. shall meet with the Evil of Punishment and this stands in Unity with the whole Scripture yet probably in this Scripture not intending so much or only the Eternal Judgment or second death but the Temporary Judgments threatned and executed on that People for their sins altho they were his own People yet they had many such Evil days as a Punishment for their sin and that as they were wicked and for the Glory of his Justice Lam. 5. 16. Woe unto us that we have sinned but to infer from hence that God made men on purpose to damn them Eternally is a very untrue Conclusion and far from the words or intentions of the Text. Christ The 6th Scripture I shall mention is Mat. 13 11. to 16. and Luk. 20. 21. Where Christ speaking in Parables gives a reason thereof as a Judgment upon the Jews that it was not given to them to know the mysteries of the Kingdom And hence it 's inferred that they were reprobated by Eternal Decree And Luk. 10. 21. I thank thee O Father that thou hast hid these things from the Wise and Prudent c. Hence it 's concluded that those from whom God did hide the Gospel was reprobated from of old and could not be saved Minist It 's most evident in both that it 's the same as before I declared from Rom. 9. as a punishment of their former and present sins 2. There is not a word about the Eternal Decrees in either of the Scriptures but the present Judgment upon them for their past and present sins 3. They might and very probably many of them did afterward believe God having his times to work those that believe not at one time and oportunity of Grace may at another and it 's apparent the Jews time was not then come but afterwards