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A81396 Christ exalted, and alone worthy to open the seals of the book. And the scriptures owned in their place. A true testimony of him, as is manifest, in answer to a book, intituled, The Quakers apostacy, from the perfect rule of scriptures. Given forth by John Timson, of Great Bowden in Leicestershire. And the deceits and blasphemies he charges upon the Quakers, is turned upon his own head, and he found guilty of what he reproaches them with, in what is written for the simples sake, and truth to clear from false accusations and lyes cast upon it. And the ten queries he saith he vindicateth, and would print but foure of them, they are all published, with the answers that he charges to be confused, dark and deceitfull, that the answers may witnesse for themselves against what is charged upon them. He that hath an understanding in the light, read and judge. / William Dewsberry. Dewsbury, William, 1621-1688. 1656 (1656) Wing D1258; Thomason E891_6; ESTC R206512 24,367 32

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to reforme them and draw them up to a higher pitch of Christian obedience according to the written word of the Lord. Ans Thou with all who are in the light is seen to be in thy wisedome querying after many lights but as is formerly written in answer to thy 4. Quest the●e is but one true light Christ who lighteth every one that comes into the world and all his ministers turnes the mindes of people from darknesse to Christ the true light in it to waite on him for his power to destroy the power of Satan and to lead in the straite narrow way of self denyal and the daily Crosse which is the way into the Kingdome of God who ever will be my Disciple saith Christ he must deny himself and take up his Crosse daily and follow me Luke 19. 23. 7. Qu. Whether a sinner condemned by the Law is made just before God unto eternall life by an inherent power within or worke of Sanctification or whether by the satisfaction and suffering of Christ in mans nature and behalfe rested on by faith Ans The Creature whose Conscience is awakened by the light the righteous Law of God in the heart which shews it its sinfull state and stands condemned before the Throne of God for disobeying the light shall never be justified by any self righteousnesse for it is uncleannesse in the sight of God for justification is through faith in the Lord Jesus but this faith which layes hold on Christ for justification is not attained by any power the creature hath of its self neither can any know it who receive honor one of another Joh. 5. 44. How can ye beleeve who receive honor one of another and seek not the honor that comes from God onely faith is the gift of God given to the Children of light who waits in the light on the Lord in the way of his judgements Isa 26. 8. till judgement be brought forth into victory that the creature be brought into true poverty of spirit for ever to perish without free redemption in the Lord Jesus which the father in his appointed time reveales the son to the soule that stands condemned before him and by the arme of his mighty power creates it to a lively hope and he that hath this hope in him purifieth himself even as he is pure so whom he justifieth he sanctifieth and he that saith he is justified and liveth in sin deceiveth himself for faith purifieth the heart and purgeth the Conscience from dead works to serve the liveing God which is witnessed in the Children of light according to testimony of Scripture Heb. 9. 14. 8. Qu. Whether the person or essence of Christ or his spirit dwell in any upon earth or whether by his gifts and graces onely or whether all those that have Christ in them must forsake all outward teaching of men and whether the Scripture be but a dead letter and of no use otherwaies then Christ within doth witnesse unto them Ans He that knows not Christ to be in him is a reprobate for he that hath not the Spirit of Christ is none of his and he that is guided by the spirit of Christ needs not any teaching of man for you shall not neede to teach one another for all my Children shall be taught of me saith the Lord God and the Scripture is but a killing letter but of use in its place d testimony of Christ but not any knows Christ by it for Christ is known by the light of his spirit which gave forth the Scriptures and all that are guided by his spirit knows the Scripture in the truth as it is in Jesus ●ph 4. 21. 9. Qu. Whether the conversion that was wrought upon the souls of many under the ordinary outward ministry of the word in our publique assembles turning men from darknesse to light from prophanesse to true Godlinesse be true unto salvation and whether those that have been thus converted were in the state of salvation before they joyned themselves unto your society or whether can none be converted and saved that never came under nor gave their assent to the dispensation of your way and how you will justifye yours to be in the true and good old way that all have and shall be saved in you may do well to make it out by some evident demonstration Ans Who can witnesse a true conversion by the power of the spirit of God in turning their mindes from darknesse to light that comes from Christ and in his light waite to receive the sentence of death in themselves to destroy all self confidence in any thing below Christ and in the state of death to wait till that they heare the voice of the Son of God and by his power was raised up to a liveing hope in Christ to walk who throw his blood do witnesse their garments washed and made white to reigne Kings and Preists upon the earth for ever to worship the father in spirit and truth and who ever can witnesse this conversion whether it were wrought when they frequented your publique assemblies or absented from them this conversion we owne who it can witnesse and of our way they are and will to us come and all shall know the truth we witnesse is the good old way that all souls that came to God walked in Christ the way the truth and the life the ancient of daies which was before time but manifest in time in all the Children of light who doth them lead in the narrow way of self denial and the daily Cross with him to enter thorow the strait gate into the holy City new Jerusalem where the soule hath union which the father of light and beholds his face and his name is written in their foreheads and there is no night there neither need of Candle nor light of the Sun for the Lord God giveth them light and they shall reigne for ever and ever Rev. 22. 5. 10. Whether any of your way attaine unto perfection in this life that they can truly say that they do all that God commands without failing either in matter or in manner of obedience no not in thought word and deed and whether the persons of any stand just before God that are not thus perfect Ans All that are in the way we are in which is Christ the way to the Father in whom all in their measure are pressing on to the fulness of stature in Christ the perfect man and who in him is grown to the fulnesse of stature in his power doth stand which doth them guide that in their mouthes is found no guile for they are without fault before the Throne of God Rev. 14. 5. FINIS
the word of faith is in the heart and in the mouth and who are guided by it their hearts are kept pure faith purifyes the heart Act. 15. 9. whether they have the outward declaration yea or nay and they that have the outward declaration and though they read it if they minde not the word which is life and light which gave forth the Scripture they do not live according to the Scripture for they are without faith who are not guided by the word faith comes not by reading the outward declaration faith is the gift of God Eph. 2. 8 given to his Children who diligently hearken to his word which is life and the life is the light of men And for thy chargeing us with contradictions confused nonsence bitter censures and shuffles and how notorious false it is wherein we say that not any doth know the Scriptures by the outward declaration Reply To the light of Christ in all Consciences we appeale let the righteous judge a naturall man knows not the things that are of God though he read the outward declaration for they are spiritually discerned 1 Cor. 2. 14. and none is found worthy to open the seales of the Book but the Lyon of the Tribe of Juda c. Rev. 5. 3. 5. and then thou denys Gods speaking to his people by voice vision or inspiration and sayest they run into madnesse that expect any such thing here thou art found in the Contradictions confused nonsence bitter censures and shuffles and notorious falshoods which thou hast falsely charged us withall and it s turned upon thy owne head and proved out of thy owne mouth that while thou art makeing a shew in words to maintain the Scripture authority thou denyes both the dispensation of the spirit of God in Christ the light and the Scriptures which beare testimony of him as is manifest in the reply to what thou hast writ in the 6. and 8. Pa. And whereas thou in the 11 Pa. calls us deceivers and saith to those thou calls thy friends we have them abused by the deceite and cheats of our owne hearts c. Reply Deceite and cheats thou art proved to be in and what thou endeavors to doe in the deceit of thy heart against the truth thou wilt see thy hope faile thee and not a blessing but a curse upon thy endeavors which to thy face is proved in what is before written to be contrary to the dispensation of the spirit and Scripture for which the terror of the Lord shall take hold on thee for thy uttering words without knowledge and speaking evill of the things thou knowest not as in the 12. Pa. And whereas thou appeals to them thou calls thy friends how their hearts have been heated and warmed by the power of the word and Sacraments c. Which is now in contempt and reproach by those that seduce you Which thou charges upon us and sayest thou hast clearly discovered our slanders shifts and shuffles and our reproaching the Ordinances and Ins●tutions of our Lord as Heathenish by compareing them to that great Image of that heathen King Dan. 3. 3. and how we deny the Scripture to be a perfect rule of knowing God beleeving in him and liveing unto him and reproach thee to be a lying slander for chargeing us with that which is an apparent truth as thou sayst thou hast proved by our lying papers and that we have reproacht they falsely and the lyes are returned upon our owne heads whilest thou sayst we witnesse our selves perfect and without sin and have entred the new Jerusalem into which none shall enter that makes a lye c. Reply Them thou calls thy friends who are in the light with all the Children of light doe witnesse that their hearts were never warmed in Sacraments no such words is found in Scripture and thou that art pleading for the authority of Scripture is with the light of Christ in all his Saints denyed and thy Sacraments which is not found in Scripture and in the light thou art clearly seen the slanders shifts and shuffles is thy owne as is manifest in the answer to the same reproach and accusations in the 2. and 3. Page of thy Book and what we witnesse is according to Scripture which we owne and in many things thou hast writ as before is manifest by thy owne words the Scripture thou denyes so on whose head the falshood remains to the Children of light is made manifest and the day will further declare it wherein Christ our King shall be exalted over all in whom our perfection and cleansing from sin is and lead us into new Jerusalem into which nothing enters that works abomination or makes a lye but who enter therein are led by the spirit of Christ in whose mouth is found no guile he that hath an ear to heare let him heare And whereas thou sayst to some of them thou calls thy friends some of you have heard W. Dewsberry say of himself that he was as perfect as that Christ hat died at Jerusalem this is witnessed by one of credit and fidelity amongst your selves I forbear his name In Dewesberry new birth he thus witnesseth of himself Reply Thy spirit in the light is seen who hath published what thou hath received from a namelesse Author and thy acusation is false which thou hast published to the world there were never any heard W. Dewesberry say of himself that he was as perfect as that Christ that died at Jerusalem and that thou calls his new birth will be a witnesse against thee There is no such word exprest by him as thou sayest this namelesse Author hath related of him In the presence of God He called W. Dewesberry doth witnesse that self is imperfect and selfe righteousnesse as a filthy ragg and a menstruous cloth c. Isa 64. 6. And he doth witnesse Christ Jesus the true light which lighteth everyone that comes into the world Joh. 1. 9. which discovers the imperfection and filthynesse of self with all its righteousnesse and his perfection is in Christ the light which he doth witnesse the same Christ and no other but he which suffered at Jerusalem who is the brightnesse of his fathers glory c. Heb. 1. 3. 13. 8. which he thou falsely accuses as before written which all the Children of light doth witnesse the Righteousnesse of God in Christ the light 2 Cor. 5. 21. which for the Simples sake the truth is witnessed forth in the presence of God which the Lord will clear from the lyes and slanders cast upon it and he shall be known what he is whom you call a proud polluted worme that dare exalt himself to a perfection equall with God which are thy owne words and what thou hast gathered up from other who falsely accuse as thou dost which words were not spoken by him thou cals a proud polluted worme who can bear thy revileings but for the truths sake that the Simple do not stumble at the way of truth doth
not any can be saved by what they doe in their own wills all that is done in that nature is abomination to God as is plain in the Answer to what thou hast writ in the 70 Page It is not of him that willeth nor of him that runneth but of God that shewes mercy Rom. 9. 16. which he makes manifest in the riches of his grace in Christ the light who leads all that obey him in the strait way of self-deniall and the daily crosse in obedience to the will of God which is our sanctification And he that sanctifieth and they that are sanctified are one Heb. 2. 4. 1 Thess 4. 31. He that can receive it let him For the truths sake that the simple be not turned out of the way by the false accusations reproaches and aspersions thou hast cast upon it what is before written in Answer to thee the truth doth clear and the Answer to thy ten Questions which thou charges to be deceitfull that they may witnesse for themselves against what thou hast cast upon them that all that desire to know the truth may them read The Questions and Answers are as followeth 1 Qu. Whether the writings of the Scriptures are a declaration of the Holy will and mind of God that necessarily oblige the servants of God that professe them to believe and observe whatever is revealed therein to be believed and done and whether the Scripture alone be a perfect Rule of faith and life unto all of years amongst us yea or nay Ans The Scriptures is a true declaration of the things believed amongst the Saints and a true testimony of Jesus Christ but not any doth them know neither can believe what is written therein by the outward declaration and testimony of Scripture but by the word of Faith which is in the heart and in the mouth which is the word of Faith which we Preach Rom. 10. 7 8. 2 Qu. Whether any other Revelations and Observations not to be found in the Scripture be binding to the consciences of those persons that have the benefit of the Scripture or whether such revelations or dictates within a mans heart and soul be as binding to the conscience and to be urged to a mans self or others as the Scriptures are Ans The revelations of Jesus Christ is according to Scripture which Revelations binds up the Testimony and seals the Law in the hearts of his Disciples and what dictates is in the conscience or heart of man contrary to the Law and Testimony is not to be regarded but disowned and judged with the light which comes from Christ the Saints life who guides them in a pure life and holy conversation according to Scripture Isa 8. 20. 3 Qu. Whether any thing besides the Scripture is constituted of the blessed God to reveal Christ as Redeemer and Saviour to the spirit of miserable lost man to bring man unto happinesse or whether corrupt man without the knowledge of Scripture may ordinarily attain unto salvation yea or nay Ans No man can come to the Son any other way but whom the Father draweth by the power of his unlimited Spirit and never any shall know the Father but he to whom the Son reveals him and he that thinks to attain the way to eternall life by reading the letter of the Scripture and regards not the light that comes from Christ that witnesseth for God in the secret of the heart and conscience he deceives himself for the mystery of eternall life is sealed up in the sealed Book from all the Sons and Daughters of men and none shall ever know it by the outward testimony of Scripture but by the inspiration of the Spirit of Jesus Christ the Lyon of the Tribe of Judah who is found worthy to open the seals of the Book and is the way the truth and the life to all that in his light wait his power them to guide in faithfull obedience to the righteous and perfect Law of God written in the heart for the exercise of the conscience which keeps them void of offence towards God and towards men according to testimony of Scripture Acts 24. 16. 23. 1. 4 Qu. Whether that light of conscience which is more or lesse in all since the fall be the remains or some reliques left of the first Adam in reference to the Covenant of works or whether common to all from the redemption of the second Adam as flowing from the Covenant of grace or how else I desire you would clearly expresse your thoughts in this Ans Man in the fallen estate hath not any light remains in him to guide him to doe any thing well pleasing to God as he stands in the state of corrupt nature for all his righteousnesse is as filthy rags and as a menstruous cloth the light that convinceth man and woman of the evill of their hearts and discovers the filthinesse of all their own righteousnesse is the light that comes from Christ the true light that lighteth every man that comes into the world John 1. 9. And this light is not common to man by nature it is the great gift of God his grace that hath appeared and teacheth all that are guided by it to deny all ungodlinesse and worldly lusts and to live godily and soberly in this present evill world and all that walk contrary to the light this is their condemnation the light John 3. 19. 5 Qu. Whether the end of God in giving and continuing this kind of light to all men in the world was not to be a restraint and curb to the exorbitant lusts of so corrupt a creature as man and so made subservant to God in the Government of the world in order to the peace and continuance of the same and to leave all without excuse Or what besides this the end of God was that this kind of light should be minded and improved according to the power of man by what he is from creation or universall grace or redemption in order to eternall happinesse and the not heeding this light in all men shall be the only condemnation of the world Or whether this light be the Gospel or Christ or his Spirit or whether it be a light either equall with or inferiour to or of a different kind with the Scriptures Ans The light which comes from Christ is given of God to guide the creature out of its own strength and power to Christ the mighty power and wisedome of God the creature to guide with moderation in the use of all creatures and to order and govern the creation to the praise and glory of God And this light is of the pure nature of God and leads to Christ the everlasting Gospel And this is the condemnation of the world that hates the light which comes from Christ because they believe not in him John 3. 18. 6. Qu. Whether the light of Conscience the light of Scripture the light of providence the light of grace ought not to be prest upon all
Lord to that great Image set up by Nebuchadnezzars proud nature spoken of by Daniel and that that Image was but a tipe and figure of this which now shines gloriously in forms and observations And thou sayst that in his speaking to the Anabaptists and Independents he tells them they have set up a finer Image in the Gospell ordinances as they call them and what other ordinances thou sayst doth these or you set up but what vvas practised in the Apostolical Churches thus you may see hovv this Impostor doth reproach the holy things of God Reply Blush for shame vvho sayst William Dewsberry compares the holy ordinances and institutions of our Lord to that great Image c. Holy Ordinances and Institutions of the Lord is not there exprest by him where thou sayst he them so compares he vvitnesses against the Image you have set up in your minds of the truth as you conceive vvhere you are in confusion that doth you divide into forms and observations as before written to looke for the Kingdome of God to come and though you call them the Ordinances of Christ you denying Christ the light you to guide in the daily crosse you are in the same nature wherein Nebuchadnazzar cast the Lords servants into the fiery furnace because they witnessed against his Image so do you who walke in your imaginations and deny Christ the light cause the servants of the Lord that walks in the life and cannot bow to your Image but witnesse against it to be haled out of your meeting places beaten stoned whipt stockt imprisoned which are the fruits of Nebuchadnezzars nature as is manifest this day amongst those against whom he witnesseth and who is the Impostor and reproaches the holy things of God the fruit makes manifest he that hath an eye to see let him see And further thou sayst that he in the height of his insolent rashnesse and madnesse saith thus the word of the Lord came unto me saying I will gather my people out of all forms and observations and out of all Kindreds Tongues and Nations and I will power out my spirit upon them And this thou sayst he writes in a different Character as if it were all Scripture by this you may see it proved what I have accused them with in denying the Ordinances and Administrations of the Gospel Churches true and yet this impudent lyar tells me it s a lying slander they would render me a lyar for telling them the truth but it seems they can rather and with more ease deny the accusation then prove themselves Saints and stand to it thus when they are pincht they will say and un say and any thing to evade Rashnesse and madnesse is thy owne in speaking evill of that thou knowest not the day will declare the Lord will gather his people together according as is declared Rev. 5. 9. And the lye and false accusation will still rest on thee for charging W. D. as before written and the impudent lyar he will not be found when the Lord will seperate between the precious and the vile then shall it be known who walke in outward forms and deny Christ the light and those that live in the light life and power of Christ them to lead in the daily crosse which keeps them in a pure life and holy conversation and thy false accusations doth not us pinch neither doe we any thing to evade but witnesse the truth against thy false accusations and in patience doe finish our testimony in sufferings and all with us that in the light walk are in the ordinances of the Gospel Church and witnesse the everlasting Gospel where all types shadows and figures are done away which thou so much cryes up and the Lord will throw thee and all downe and a day of tribulation shall come upon thee and thou shalt not escape except thou repent And whereas thou reviles us for saying that the spirit is the only rule of faith and life Joh. 16. 13. which thou sayst that promise was made directly to the twelve Reply Who art thou that limits the holy one the promise of his spirit is to all who waite on him in the manifestation of his spirit according to the Testimony of Scripture 1 Cor. 12. 7 8 9. the manifestation of his Spirit is given to every one to profit withall for to one is given by the spirit the word of wisedom to another the word of knowledge by the same spirit to another faith by the same spirit to another the gifts of healing by the same spirit c. And for thy unsavory words which in reproach calls us proud worms that vilifie and diminish from the Scripture c. Reply Pride is thy owne we doe not vilifie nor diminish the Scriptures we witnesse them a true testimony of Christ the life and who in his light walk knowes the truth of the Scriptures as it is in Jesus Eph. 4. 20 21. And whereas thou sayst in confession to what was declared to thee that Abel Enoch and Noah had saith before the Scriptures was written to which thou quotes Heb. 1. 1. God who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in times p ast unto the fathers by the Prophets hath in these last dayes spoken to us by his son and thou sayst before there was any thing commit to writeing the Lord did more visibly reveale his will by voice vision Angels c. But since he hath committed his whole will unto writeing by the Prophets and Apostles these former manners are ceased and thou sayst to look for the same discoveries still by voice vision or inspiration is madnesse we run into Reply Thou vain man who dare to say the Lord hath ceased makeing himselfe known to his people by voice vision or inspiration holy men of God did speak and doth speak as inspired by the spirit of God and mooved by the Holy Ghost 2 Pet. 1. 21. An● the Lord hath promised in the latter daies I will power out my spirit upon all flesh Joel 2. 28 29. Acts 2. 17 18. Jer. 31. 33 34. Heb. 8. 9 10 11. Isa 54. 13. All the Children of the Lord who are led by his spirit doth witnesse these Scriptures fulfilled and knoweth the Lord is fatithfull according to his promise who will recompence into thy bosome thy just reward for speaking evill of his truth and whiles thou denys the manifestation of his spirit which the Lord manifests to his people as is recorded in the Scripture of truth thy pride and confusion thou hast made manifest and neither knows Moses ministry nor the Apostles which thou in a buisy minde speaks of in thy dark understanding which leads thee to fill thy Book with false accusations as in thy 10th Pa where thou sayst we doe not make any clear difference between the outward declaration and the word of faith Reply For the Simples sake as we have declared the truth we doe declare it which is witnessed with all the Children of light