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A01735	A short reply vnto the last printed books of Henry Barrow and Iohn Greenwood, the chiefe ringleaders of our Donatists in England VVherein is layd open their grosse ignorance, and foule errors: vpon which their whole building is founded. By George Gyfford, minister of Gods holy worde, in Maldon.	Gifford, George, d. 1620.	1591 (1591)	STC 11868; ESTC S118836	80,934	106

the Churches doo in some things differ about the manner of calling and ordaining ministers how you or any other by this can proue all to be void would be seene Then next the ministry of the Church of England is the ministry of reconsiliation bringing no doctrine but the doctrine of the holy Scriptures Here ye cauill foolishly that although they exercise an office yet they hauing no true calling doo it but as priuate men Luther and Caluine and all the rest which haue preached the Gospell in these times ye confesse in some small measure according to that little which they did see nothing comparable to that you haue attained haue vttered the truth but yet as priuate men Here besides your wicked barking against the ministry of all Churches which God hath ratified your ignorance is to be noted in this that you doo not know that if a man enter not rightly into a publick office yet the office it selfe is not destroyed as if a King haue but vsurped the crown yet he is a King while he be deposed It is more then foolish that ye say we haue a leiturgy or prescript forme of praier therfore we bring other doctrine besides the Scriptures Thirdly the ministry of the Church of England dooth bring men to faith there being ioyned with it the effectual power and blessing of the holy Ghost c. In answering this Master Barrow yee fall into your former stincking puddle into which yée draw many a rash ignorant man I meane ye vtterly deny with the vngodly Swinckfeldians all the whole efficacy power and blessing which God hath annexed vnto the ministry of the Gospell Here is a great patch set on to help the Papists how by this also ye say they may reason to proue their ministry and Church to be such as they that separate themselues must néeds be Schismatikes Why Master Barrow do you not know that as God made a promise to his Church to the end of the world and hath giuen gifts a ministry to continue euen to the worlds end to build it for Saint Paule saith this ministry is giuen vntill we all meete together in the vnity of faith which cannot bee vntill the last day that the whole number be accomplished Ephes 4. 13. So hee hath alwaies reserued not only some ministry in the popery but also in all times some godly ministers How little help this bringeth to the Papists or all those sound points or doctrine that remained and do remaine among them to proue that the Churches which haue forsaken them are but Schismatikes or that the Churches should not cast foorth the vsurped power of Antichrist I thinke children might be made to sée and vnderstand for although they hold sundry points of the faith yet they quite subuert the holy faith And whereas the Apostleship and ministry of Saint Paule being called into question he vseth this reason vnto those which had receaued the faith and power of the holy Ghost by his ministry If I be not an Apostle vnto others yet am I vnto you I said the same is to be made the defence of the ministry of the Churches at this day vnto all such as by the publick preaching of the word and administration of the Sacraments are called vnto an assured faith and comfort in God and vnto vnfeined repentance For let all these iudge whether there be no efficacy power in the publick administratiō of the word and Sacraments more then from the mouth of any priuat person Vnto this you answer is too foule and beastly for ye say it w●l fit the Papists against vs and then I say it might fit the false Apostles against S. Paule For if the Papists can or may as well say though wee bee no ministers of Christ vnto other yet vnto you that féele the comfort and power of our doctrine and ioy in it we are ministers of Christ Then might the false Apostles in like manner haue risen vp against S. Paul and spoken the same vnto those which delighted to heare them Is there no difference betwéene that power of the Gospell that assurance of faith of peace and ioy in the holy Ghost and of vnfained feare of God and repentance which it worketh and that blinde zeale and comfort which hereticks and Papists haue in false doctrine and superstition Will ye confound all When ye pronounce that there is no such faith nor repentance nor ioy in the holy Ghost nor peace of conscience wrought in the hearts of any by the ministry of our Church how far aboue the clouds doth your swelling blind pride lift vp her hands Let al such as haue felt the effectual calling of God beare witnes in this matter In the fourth I alleadged that the Martyrs which suffered in the dayes of Quéene Marie were moued and brought to fayth repentance at the preaching of Master Latimer Taylor Hoper Bradford and others Your replie is that this reason standeth vpon popish and Annabaptisticall grounds For popis●●● don alleadge 〈…〉 as many martyrs his predecessors Let me then aske this question when it is confessed that they were holy martyrs died for the true faith will it not follow if the Pope could prooue that the Church of Rome had held still that holy fayth that it should bee the true Church We hold the same fayth with the holy Martyrs The motions ye say at our preachings are but the illusiōs of Sathan and this is the cause that you account the reason to be Annabaptisticall God is highly to be blessed who hath so ratified the effectual power of the ministrie of his word in the hearts of many thousands both in this land and in other countries with such assurance and constancie of faith that the whole power of Sathā out of the mouthes of papists Annabaptists Schismatiks and frantick persons is not able to bring it into doubt Lastly I did aduise men to be somewhat moued with the iudgement of other Churches This you say is an old popish reason M. Barrow it is not popish at all vnto such as shall consider that the Churches with these principal instruments which God rayseth vp as lights doo discusse matters by the Scriptures men are to seeke for the truth at their handes But I must tell yee it is the trick of all ranck heretikes and schismaticks to despise the iudgement of the Churches Shall we think that a few ignorant rash men haue receiued such light from God as al the most noble instruments raysed vp haue not Thus ye haue answered no one reason which I brought but only with vaine yea more then vayne cauills The foule reproachfull speeches which yee vse to deface all the ministers of Christs Gospell both of other Churches of the Church of England are so many and that in sundry places of your bookes but specially in your Discouery from pag. 140. vnto pag. 187. that hee that will search all that is written of the Catharists the Donatists Annabaptists and sundry

hath the Church of England beene duly conuinced It is out of all doubt that men which erre may ●e conuinced by any particular persons whatsoeuer for it is the power and light of Gods word onely which conuinceth but that which maketh men to be cast forth as heathen for obstinacie when they are conuinced is not as I haue shewed obstinacie agaynst pryuate admonitions but the despising the iudgement and power of the Church when she hath conuinced and reproued So that your passage is here agayne stopped and ye are cut off but yet I will follow ye in this yeelding this scope to see when or who they be of particular persons which haue duely conuinced the Church of England and al her assemblies of such errors First for the martyrs in our Church yee haue set them vpon the shore safely landed out of all danger of wilfull obstinacie for pag. 181. thus ye write These godly martyrs so lately escaped out of the smoakie furnace of the popish Church coulde not so clerely discerne and sodainely enter into the heauenly and beautifull order of a true established Church And those godly men being so vnexpert and vnexercised in his heauenly worke neuer hauing long liued in seen or heard of any orderly communion of Saints any true established Church vpon the earth of so many hundreth yeares neuer since the generall defection of Antichrist no meruaile I say if they erred in setting vp the frame But what then should we persist in their errors especially should we reiect the true patterne of Christs Testament c. Thus farre be your wordes Master Barrow in which the reader may see that ye haue as I say landed those godly men out of all daungers which set vp the frame of our Church because they did as you say nay they could see no better But our Church now can not be excused because she hath reiected the heauenly patterne being brought Indéede I am of this minde to answere your wordes as they lye that right excellent men come short in some things about the ordering of Gods Church and especially at the beginning because time is a teacher But those men were not so blinde as you make them or so vnexpert in the heauenly worke Many of them liued long after they came out of popery They did read the scriptures both for other poynts of doctrine and for the gouernement and all the auncient histories of the Church and in my iudgement might haue b●en able in those dayes after twenty years separatiō frō popery to see as much as some in these dayes that haue béen but foure or fine yeares from the Bowling Alleyes Agayne I am of this mind that when any error in the Church appeareth it ought if it can bee brought to passe to be reformed And that they doo greeuously sinne which reiect the truth agaynst their knowledge and conscience to the dammage of Gods people but there lieth the matter howe you can proue that our Church is conuinced We must see who they bee that haue layd this patterne which ye speake of before her which was not layd before those blessed martyrs and conuinced here let vs come to the matter In some Ceremonies and in the manner of gouernment our Church doth differ from other Churches Those Churches indéede haue shewed their reasons why they vse not such ceremonies and gouernment but yet they condemne not our Church for not being perswaded by them for they do know that in some matters of controuersie it falleth out often that men may thinke they haue truth and be deceiued also that the truth may be shewed and yet men that erre not conuinced in their conscience vnto whom it is shewed This is your great ignorance Master Barrow which imagine that so soone as a truth is shewed in any matter the partie that erreth is by and by conuinced in his conscience There were thousands in the Church of Ierusalem Act. 21. which erred groslie about the retayning the ceremoniall law and the holy Apostles were driuen to beare with them when they could not perswade them from it and that many yeares And who can conuince errors like the blessed Apostles And you must consider here further that euen those marryrs in our Church whom you so fully cleare had the same paterne layd before them then which our Church hath had layd before her since for they did know that there was another forme of gouernement vsed at Geneua and in some other places and they did not onely reade their writings which shewed the reasons for the same but also some of them as Bishop Hooper and Archdeacon Philpot were trauailers euen to that ende and purpose and liued in some did see if not al yee some number of the reformed Churches beyond the seas Moreouer the rest of the martyrs had here among them out of diuers reformed Churches as Peter Martyr Bucer Fagius Alasco and others Howe ignorantly then and how falsely Master Barrow doo ye affirme that those godly martyrs had neuer liued in seene nor heard of any orderly communion of Saints any true established Church If those martyrs had the very same patterne layd before them which hath béene layd since before our Church and were not conuinced Peradunture you will say it was nothing so fully and so clearely brought and layd it before the martyrs as it hath been layd before our Church Then if I demaund here who they be that haue more fully and more clearely layd this patterne before our Church and thus conuinced her whether your selues alone or partly your selues and partly others I suppose yee will take it but in parte vnto your selues let vs then begin with these other and then come to you The Church of England at the first as you cōfesse set vp the frame as they were perswaded in conscience to be very right and agréeable to Gods word Since that there hath risen controuersie at home about some Ceremonies and obseruations and about the gouernement Reasons and allegations haue beene brought to shew that there be hurtfull things amisse in both and many are perswaded But now the visible Church of England the prince and all those which excercise the chiefe power therein haue stood and doe stand resolute that the ceremonies and obseruations are agreeable to Gods worde or at the least not contrary but tollerable and that gouernement is such as is by Gods word most fit and profitable for our Church They stand vpon their reasons and allegations for this And many thousands in the land both men and women which professe the Gospel and fayth of Christ either know not what the things in controuersie or if they doe knowe them yet are perswaded that our worship and gouernment are right Tell me then M. Barrow seeing ye confesse the martyrs were not conuinced how you know for certainetie that all these are conuinced in their conscience because matters haue béen more fully opened and so continue wilfully obstinate against the knowen truth Hath God giuen

you some speciall reuelation or doe yee knowe the secrets of all mens hearts You sée by the Church in Ierusalē that men may ignorantly remayne still in error if the blessed Apostles themselues should lay downe matter against the same vnto them But to conuince you I may reason from your own wordes for Master Barrow if that be true which you holde touching gouernment ecclesiasticall which is the chiefe matter in question the Church of England cannot bee conuinced by that which either our owne or men of other Churches haue set foorth We haue béene perswaded that the gouernement ecclesiasticall ought to be by one of these two that is to say either by Bishops or by presbyteries and you condemne both The gouernement by Bishops ye tearm Antichristian And of those which stand for a gouernement by Presbyteries thus you write pag. 189. of your other booke These men would bring in a new adulterate forged gouernement in shew or rather in despight of Christs blessed gouernement which they in their pride rashnes ignorance and sensuallity of their fleshly hearts most miserablie innon●ate corrupt and peruert Also in the pag. 166. you terme it a deuilish forgerie In this booke agaynst mee you call it a presumptuous 〈…〉 yee say it hath no ground in the word of God but vtterly subuerteth the whole order and communion of the Church c. pag. 79. Is it so Master Barrow then how hath our Church béen conuinced in conscience by those which bring no warrant of Gods word for that which they would set vp being vndoubtedly perswaded as I haue sayd that one of the two ought to be a third as yet not hauing been shewed how haue they I say by your speach been so duely conuinced And further it may bee sayd which is of great force agaynst ye that if all the learned men in other Churches and those in our Church which stand for the gouernment by presbyteries haue erre● so grofely as you accuse them why may not they that maintaine the other gouernment erre also of ignorance Master Barrow these poore shifts will not defend ye before God but that ye haue intruded into his seate vnlesse you haue surer ground that all bee conuinced For what if some should be conuinced in some matters yet whē they protest the contrary who can iudge them but God And now seeing it hath not been done by these therefore it resteth onely vpon your selues let vs come to see what you haue done It cannot bee but you haue conuinced all you haue opened so many matters Yea but before your matters came to the sight and knowledge of the thousand man I might say almost to the sight of any ye had abandoned and condemned all without any order What a conuincing is this And when they be come abroad I meane your writings though not vnto the hands of all nor yet of the greater part wee must vppon your bare word contrary to our owne knowledge admit many foule and false accusations we must vpon your warrant allowe many fantasticall opinions we must condemne all the Churches and iustifie the Donatists and Annabaptists or els we cannot he by you conuinced Your outragious dealing being such as almost hath not been seene which shall appeare by laying open somewhat of your bookes and your grosse errors with palpable ignorance to be wondered at euen of the vnlearned how shall wee thinke that God hath sent ye as it were great Apostles to conuince and to refor me all You say Christ hath sent ye but in very deede Satan in the likenes of an Angell of light hath most miserably seduced ye Ye say often that many in our Church haue been and are perswaded that there be many faults and ●or not these then sinne agaynst their conscience in as much as they ioyne still with it Master Barrow it is a foule hereticall opinion to hold that a man may not ioyne with that Church which holdeth and maintaineth some faults and errors Did the holy Apostles refuse to ioyne with the multitude in Ierusalem which held the Ceremonies Doth not S. Paule labour in diuers places to ioyne them together in peace which in some matters held and continued in diuers iudgement Read the Rom. 14. and 15. for this poynt Thus much might suffice to shewe your horrible and inexcusable presumption contrary to the rules of Gods word in condemning as quite separated from Christ the whole Church in the land all particular assemblies and all seuerall persons both yong and old men and women in the same whom yet ye haue neuer seene much lesse admonished and conuinced but that your words which yet remayne vntouched I meane of those which I set downe do drawe me further There be three things yet remayning in your former words in which ye erre foully whereby all men shall see how farre off ye are from making any iust defence of your vngodly presumption And your selues shall knowe if the Lord open your harts that it is but a thicke couering of darknes and ignorance ●nder which ye lye shrouded and as ye imagine shielded from the sinne and from the danger of intrusion into Gods office when ye condemne as heathen and infidels all our assemblies The first of the thrée and the second also are in these words when ye say and heresie in that man or in that congregation thatso holdeth teacheth it doth separate from the faith c. Thus ye reason If a man be in an error and be duely conuinced and found obstinate so that he obstinately persist in and teach his error euen agaynst his conscience wee may safely iudge that man to haue no faith nor communion with Christ The same is to be sayd of a congregation and so of the whole Church of England and of all the assemblies therein and of al particular members of the same being all in one estate and condition that is to say duely conuinced and found obstinate How farre wée may proceed in iudgeing a man voyd of faith for obstinacie we shall see in the next place● here I begin with and note how blindly and how absurdly in your consequence of being conuinced ye compare a Church and one man together For a man erring and his error reproued either the whole man is conuinced and is obstinate or els the whole man erreth still in iguorance But it is farre otherwise in a visible Church because in it there bee sundry sorts of members which may not be all foulded vp together 〈◊〉 one sentence For looke vpon the visible Church of Israel at such time as our Sauiour was borne liued vpon the earth and we shall see there were in it excellent godly ones as the blessed Virgin the Father and mother of Iohn the Baptist Anna the Prophetisse olde Symeon and many others There were heapes of ignorant people called the lost sheepe of the house of Israel Math. 10. And there were the Scribes and Pharisies which held and taught obstinately very wicked errors It