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A49373 Persecution detected in all his new forms: or, A dialogue between Nimrod policy, and Nathanael innocency Wherein persecution is followed and detected in his chiefest tabernacles; being packing apace out of his old g[...]bs of presbytery into his swept and garnisht forms of independency and the water-way: wherein is shewed the originall, and name, and interest of policy, with many of his assistants; and also of innocency: with the epitome of a true Christian: also several considerable queres touching God, his word, his essence; and Christ, and his works in man; as touching heaven, and hell, and sin, and the sabbath &c. of Moses; touching the true rest and centre of a Christian. By John Lane, late quartermaster to Sir Hardresse Wallers regiment. Lane, John, quartermaster. 1652 (1652) Wing L338; ESTC R213607 17,333 26

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or not such as know the spirit of the people and can conform unto them these I affect most if I might have my will such men as are for toleration of Opinions for I see the people generally affect true liberty and to be free from all oppressions and besides I tell thee plainly I have been in some straights touching formality how to please many fiery spirits for many of them are very confident in their way although I see little Scripture or reason for their forms for I see throrough them all for as they are used they serve only to beget envy and strife amongst men and do hinder universall love I 'le tell thee Innocency now I do suspect M. Persecution to be an Impostor and I fear he may do by me if I should use him as he hath done by his former Tabernacles viz. miserably distract me if not destroy me by serving me almost as bad as the Divell was said to do by the hogs Inno. Well Mr. Policy I am glad you are so moderate of late you have not long been so I am glad you begin to open your eys a little you may see your self more e're it be long for truth and innocency may be more owned for God doth shake both the earth and heavens of mans building which are laid in the serpentine principle but Sir I thank you for your patience in hearing my verball imbecility I hope you will not make me an offender for a word and Sir if I might not be further tedious to you I should desire we might epitomize a true Christian that is so in power and not in word and shew only Pol. Well Innocency go on to shew what such a Christian is Inno. Sir that I shall briefly and where I am short I desire you to inlarge in your thoughts 1. A right Christian is one that is one with Christ as Christ is one with the Father Joh. 17. 21. Heh. 2. 11. 1 Joh. 4. 17. 2. From this Union he is reconciled to God in all things and in all the variety and multiplicity of appearances he seeth but one God and sees all the varieties of things in their severall species be they of rationalls animalls and vegetables or celestial or terrestiall essences with their severall complections constitutions and degrees of heat cold drought or moysture with their several actions that are of God features motions and gestures to be the productions of the Unity whether sinister so called or direct with all their altitudes and profundities and latitudes and longitudes if so I may speak the Ens entium omnipotent over all thorow all and in all things besides he seeth all dispensations administrations manifestations and operations are to bring to the perfect Unity of the Son Ephes. 4. 13. 1 Cor. 12. 4. 27. 14. he seeing that the severall members are but one body besides he cannot see any vacuity between Creator and creature not understanding what should be betwixt them to speak after the manner of men 3. He is one that through Christ dwelling in him doth see the Enmity slain and hath gotten victory over all that did torment him mentally and also over much corporall slavery having conquered the old man Sin with Antichrist Hell Death c. and seeth no let in the holy mountain Sion 4. He being one that so far as he is born of God doth not sin nor can sin 1 Joh. 3. 9. Heb. 9. 14. 10. 22. he is in conscience purged from sin he seeth Christ appearing the second time without sin unto him Heb. 10. 26. 28. and the Lamb that taketh away the sin of the world for else he must have lesse power then the scape-goat under Moses Deut. 16. 20. 24. that ran away with the sins of Israel once a year and the bringer in of everlasting righteousnesse Dan. 9. 24. his own where sin shal be no more he being the finisher of it besides he seeth that Law made nothing perfect as to conscience but the bringing in of a better hope by and in Christ did by which he is nigh unto God having his heart sprinkled from an evill conscience being innocent as a dove 5. He is one that Col. 2. 20. v. 1. is dead with Christ to the rudiments of the world and therefore doth not live in them as subject to Ordinances in will-worship being risen with Christ and set together with him in heavenly places far above Principalities and Powers and Might c. and Dominion at the right hand of the high Majesty 6. And Sir to be brief a right Christian after he hath been acted through the variety of appearances and hath been led through the severall gradations of Christs Kingdome viz. of love joy peace c. and when Christ in him hath put down all Rule Authority and ●ower and slain all devision and distinction of the wrath and beastial principle then the Kingdome and Dominion is surrendred to the Father and then the creatures will is wholly resigned into the Divine Will and is only acted by it it being then in it's own centre the end having found the beginning he being meerly passive neither willing nor desiring not joying nor sorrowing but has then found all and for ought I know may do all when he is centricall but this few attain unto the beastial principle is so predominant Pol. I should let thee go on further to character a Christian as to his spirituall interest but that I fear there are some who like the Jewes Paul spake of 1 Thes. 2. 15. 16. who please not God and are contrary to all men may persecute such appearances of Christ in any and call it blasphemy therefore prethee leave such high things and speak something to a Christians practise amongst men in the world Inno. Sir I thank you for your Caution for though I would be as innocent as a Dove yet I may be as wise as a Serpent especially if I meet with such pharisaical Foxes therefore I shall hint some things that are practised to the world by a Christian and if you shall please afterwards J shall propose some Questions unto you as a ground for further discourse at some other time but Sir J shall go on A Christian doth make that sure Christian Maxim in Christianity viz. of doing as they would be done unto in all cases his rule and practise conscience being the chief Arbitrator And he doth really practise this rule in doing well to any in misery whether they be of any Church or not so long as he hath it He doth also practise this rule in all matters of sin against himself whether it be anger wrath malice strife debate envy slander or what ever and doth put conscience to the test doth any one thus abuse me and do I the same to them again then saith conscience you do but as you have been done by and not as you would be done by if you should so offend against others sinners do love such as love them and hate such