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A52590 A case of great and present use whether we may lawfully hear the now conforming ministers who are re-ordained and have renounced the Covenant and some of them supposed to be scandalous in their lives considered and affirmatively resolved / by a late eminent Congregational divine. Nye, Philip, 1596?-1672. 1677 (1677) Wing N1485; ESTC R469781 10,042 29

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abominable full of Pride Covetousness Luxury Drunkenness how can we expect a Blessing on their Labours though they preach truth and good Things Answ 1. The mixtures in Sermons are nearest the irregularities of their calling the next the Sins of their Conversions farthest from their Doctrine and therefore have less efficacy at such a distance to prejudice it Answ 2. It s God's Word and not their own they Preach Truth is blessed from the Lord for its own sake and his whose it is When Christ blessed his Disciples with the promise of his presence Mat. 28.20 Lo I am with you always even to the end of the World it is to be applyed rather to their Doctrine then Persons for they were sometimes left to humane Infirmities in their lives and they lived not to the end of the World If it be not Truth though an Angel from Heaven bring it no blessing will come with it but if it be Christ that is preached whoever is the instrument there is matter of hope and rejoycing Phil. 1.15 c. Some preached Christ who were not sincere though at the same time others who were blameless preached the same Truths What then saith Paul vers 18. Notwithstanding every way Christ is preached and therein do I rejoyce and will rejoyce Those Peter mentions they fed the Flock the Flock then heard them and were instructed by them yet we are told those Ministers were Covetous Ambitious took up their Ministry for filty Lucres sake And were Lords over Gods Heritage More cannot be objected against our Ministers that Conform than might against the Scribes and Pharisees in Christs time either in respect of their Doctrine which was loaden with Traditions their Standing which Was not according to Law their lives which were Vitious yet Christ not only permits but requires us to attend the Truths they deliver Consideration III. About partaking with another mans sins This ariseth from some special relation as a moral touch which is either in respect to the person transgressing or the Sin it self 1. Out Relation to persons may either be 1. Transient or Occasional For a man becomes guilty with him that sinneth by applauding approving or incouraging him in his Sin Joh. 2.10 11. Rom. 1.32 and in some cases by silence being present when some gross Sin is openly committed Or 2. Our Relation may be set and stated either Civil as between Parents and Children Masters and Servants c. This will not be much to our purpose or Sacred viz. that Setled Relation that ariseth from Gospel-Communion as in particular Churches between Officers and Members and one Member with another By vertue of this Relation Sins are transmitted from one to another with the greatest celerity and efficacy A little Leaven leaveneth the whole Lump The evil of another and that duty we joyn in may so relate as I may partake of his evil though I act nothing with him but what is a Duty on my part Receiving of Rents and Tenantship are so neerly related that if the person with whom I partake thus have forfeited his Tenant-ship and of right is no Tenant yet by my accepting of Rent from him I make him one not withstanding his forfeiture To exercise a Judicial Act relates so much to the Person legally constituted a Judg that if I submit my Cause to him that is not so and suffer I sin against my own Liberty In each of these what I do is good but partakes somewhat with the evil of another In our Spiritual affairs that is a full instance 1 Cor. 10.18 They that eat of the Sacrifice partake of the Altar that is from the Relation and Connexion betwixt the Altar and the Gift Mat. 23.19 The Altar sanctifieth the Gift It is either not a Sacrifice or not a Lawful Sacrifice but by reason of the Altar For Application to the Case 1. My being present and hearing of a Conformist no Approbation of the evil of his Conformity and so no Occasional or Transient Relation is raised thereby Approbation is an act of the mind or heart It is not shewed to him or others by me until it be expressed outwardly by my words or gestures which I have not in this case any occasion to do his evil being done elsewhere and formerly and not in our presence that now hear him 2. Nor is there any Set or Standing Relation between him and me though he Preach and I Hear him constantly This creates no Church-fellowship or Communion To Instruct and Learn is an humane or natural converse and differs not from teaching or learning any other faculty though the Subject matter I hear be divine It 's true by the addition of a special institution it becomes a Church-Ordinance so giving of Alms visiting of the Sick and the like which are actions of Common humanity when brought under a special Institution do thereby become as much Church-Ordinances as Preaching 2 Cor. 6.14 What fellowship hath Light with Darkness or a Believer with an Infidel that is in Respect to Church Communion and fellowship there is none yet a Believer and an Infidel may Preach and Hear may Teach and be Taught Act. 17.1 Cor. 14. Rom. 1.13 3. For any special Tincture derived from his evil to the Duty we perform with him it must be either from the Sins of his Person or his Ordination The former hath been spoken to As for the evil of his Ordination it relates not to his Preaching by and such near alliance as that the one may not be done without the other It is the duty of all Christians saith Ames to do their utmost to advance the Kingdom of God and therefore to teach others the Knowledg of God Why may not a man Preach and Instruct Others if he be able by word of mouth as well as by Writing and Printing Theological Discourses This latter was never questioned by any sober man Objections Answered Object 1. My prsesence at such mens Preaching if I be silent and give no Testimony agaist them will be an encouragement to their Way Answ 1. If I had no other just and apparent reason for my being present it might be so interpreted but my presence relates and ought so to be judged unto the Word Preached If I be present in some consecreated place adorned with Images to hear a Sermon my presence ought not to be interpreted a Countenancing those Superstitions but the Preaching of Gods Word When the Preaching of Christ and a malicious Spirit was in one man Pauls rejoycing at the one was no Countenancing of the other Answ 2. We do not so easily derive guilt or pollution by being present or in the Company of Sinners though we do not testify against them when they are not in Spiritual Communion with us A little Leaven leaveneth the whole Lump but no more The Contagion goeth no further than the Relation The Apostle 1 Cor. 5.9 layeth down clearly this difference from that verse to the end He speaks of judging that is censuring