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A54048 A question to the professors of Christianity, whether they have the true, living, powerful saving knowledge of Christ or no? with some queries concerning Christ, and his appearances, his taking upon him our flesh : as also concerning his flesh and blood, and our being formed thereof, and feeding thereon, and an incitation to professors seriously to consider, whether they or we fail, in the true acknowledgment and owning of the Christ which died at Jerusalem : likewise some propositions and considerations concerning the nature of church-worships and ordinances, since the death of the apostles, for the sake of simplicity, which hath been long held captive therein : with the sounding of bowels towards thee, O England : also a faithful guidance to the principle and path of truth, with some sensible experimental questions and answers from the tenth chapter of John / by Isaac Penington ... Penington, Isaac, 1616-1679. 1667 (1667) Wing P1184; ESTC R18236 42,725 54

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Moses told that before to wit by the Word nigh in the mouth and heart There is somewhat near man even in his mouth which divides his words one from another shewing him at sometimes and would do it oftner if he heeded it which are bad words and which are good words What is that that doth this The same thing also is in his heart as a discerner of the thoughts and intents thereof shewing him when there is a good thought desire or intention in his mind and when there is a bad or wicked one What is this O that men knew what it is O that they could fear the Lord and become subject to it and they should know what it is Every man that will be sanctified and inherit Gods Kingdom must be born of the Will of God He must deny his own Will as Christ did Not my Will said he Father but thine be done that must be crucified He must suffer in the flesh die to the flesh and live in and to the holy Nature and Spirit of God Now thus a man comes to be born of the pure Will to wit by hearing the Word nigh in the mouth and heart and becoming subject to it This cuts down his own will day by day and brings up the Will and Nature of God in him through which he is changed and sanctified and becometh a new Creature For the old Creature is made up of the old understanding and will but the new Creature is made up of the new Wherewithall shall a young man cleanse his way By taking heed according to thy Word saith David What Word was that Was it the Word of the old Covenant or the Word nigh in the mouth and heart And Thy Word saith he is a Lanthorn to my Feet and a light to my Path. What Word was that the Word of the first Covenant or the Word of the second The Law of the Lord is perfect converting the Soul What Law is that The Testimony of the Lord is sure making wise the simple What Testimony is that The Statutes of the Lord are right rejoycing the heart What Statutes are they were not the Statutes of the old Covenant heavy and burthensome The Commandment of the Lord is pure enlightning the eyes What Commandment is that Yea what is that which is sweeter than the Honey the Honey-comb which overcomes with its sweetness O that men could read O that men could see the thing which is pure and maketh pure which is righteous and maketh righteous After men have seen the thing there is a great way to travel to it but how far are they off who do not so much as see it but are in the darkness and prejudices of that Nature and Spirit which is contrary to it Now if the Lord in his tender mercy and love to thy Soul bring thee to a sense of this thing thou beginnest to feel this precious searching Word discovering any evil to thee either in thy heart or wayes O do not dispute do not reason against it but bless the discoverer bow to the Son become obedient immediately faithfully following the Lamb therein lest he remove his Light from thee and suffer darkness and the disputing wisdom to overtake thee Christ is not of the World and he leads out of the World Out of its vanities wayes customs fashions c. A man cannot serve Christ and the World Can any man be born of the Father be begotten by him out of the Spirit of the World and yet live in that walk in that which is not of the Father but of the World which came from the worldly part is of the worldly part nourisheth and pleaseth the worldly part in man but pleaseth not the Father Can that man who is not of the World but of the Father do any thing that upholdeth the lust of the flesh the lust of the eyes or the pride of life either in himself or others Doth not the Spirit of the Lord where it is hearkened to draw out of these and out of all things which are of these Therefore consider well what it will cost and how hard it is to follow Christ that thou who desirest to be the Lords mayest receive help and strength from him to be faithful that in his strength thou mayest overcome all that stands between thee and Life that so thou mayest receive the Crown and inherit the Kingdom which is prepared for and given to the Faithful who labour and fight not in vain but gain ground and conquer yea at length become more then conquerors through the Mercy Love Might and Power of the Lord. Some sensible experimental Questions and Answers from the tenth Chapter of John Question 1. WHO is the good Shepherd of the Sheep Answ The Wisdom Life and Power of the Father which dwelleth in and is manifest through the Son is the Shepherd He that is the Truth the Way and the Life he also is the Shepherd and Bishop of the Soul Quest 2. Who are the Sheep Answ They that are born of this Wisdom gathered by this Life turned to this Power they are the Sheep They who are changed by him into his Nature they are of him Sheep of him the Shepherd Lambs of him the Lamb Doves of him the Dove Quest 3. Which is the Fold of the Sheep Answ The Wisdom Life and Power of the Father even the same that is the Shepherd The Fathers Hand wherewith he covers them wherein he incloseth them that is the Fold For it is the Power Wisdom and Life of the Father which gathereth the Sheep and he gathereth them into his Power into his Wisdom into his Life and that is a Wall or Fold about them Object Is not the Church the Fold Answ This in the Church or the Church in this is the Fold but not out of this For there is no safety or preservation among any sort or gathering of people but as they stand and abide in this And standing and abiding in this they have Authority and Power from the chief Bishop of the Soul but none out of this Quest 4. Who is the Door Answ The Shepherd is the Door also who lets into the Fold and shuts out at his pleasure and none can rightly enter but by him Quest 5. What are they that run before the Power or farther than the Power leads and guides them Answ They are Thieves and Robbers and they may destroy the life and freshness in those that are not watchful but they cannot help to save or build up because they themselves are out of that come out of that and act out of that which alone can do it Quest 6. How may the Sheep be discerned from the Goats and from such also as put on the Sheeps cloathing but yet are not sheep in Nature and Spirit Answ By their Lamb-like Nature by the meekness and innocency in them which is of the Lamb which none can have but they that are of him for it is not to be found in
A QUESTION TO THE Professors of CHRISTIANITY Whether they have the True Living Powerful saving Knowledge of Christ or no With some Queries concerning Christ and his appearances his taking upon him our flesh as also concerning his flesh and blood and our being formed thereof and feeding thereon And an Incitation to Professors seriously to consider whether they or we fail in the true acknowledgment and owning of the Christ which died at Jerusalem Likewise some Propositions and Considerations concerning the nature of Church-worships Ordinances since the death of the Apostles for the sake of the simplicity which hath been long held captive therein With the sounding of Bowels towards thee O England Also a faithful Guidance to the Principle and Path of Truth WITH Some sensible experimental Questions and Answers from the tenth Chapter of John By Isaac Penington Prisoner in Alisbury who by the Counsel of the Lord hath chosen rather to suffer Affliction with the despised People of God then to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a se●son London Printed in the Year 1667. Reader By reason of the Authors absence from the Press these few faults have escaped which thou art desired thus to amend Page 12. line 29. reade For we were as shy P. 33. l. 21. r. gathered thither P. 36. l. 12. r. How while the Church P. 46. l. 19 r. effects not the thing now P. 50. l. 24. r. which who can utter THE PREFACE THis is life Eternal that they might know thee the only true God and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent Whom did the Father send Did he not send the Son of his Love From whence did he send him Did he not send him out of his own Bosom Whither did he send him Did he not send him into the World to take upon him a Body and glorifie the Name of the Father doing his Will therein He laid down his Glory stripping himself of the form of God and appearing in habit as a man in their Raiment with their Garment upon him in which as a Servant the Seed the Heir of all served the Father And now his work being as good as done he looks back at the Glory which he had laid down for the Fathers sake looking up to the Father for the restoring of it to him again I have glorified thee on the Earth saith he I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do And now O Father glorifie thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the World was John 17.4 5. Now having sought and travelled from my Childhood after the true knowledge of God and of his Christ and having been satisfied with nothing else that ever I could meet with and having at length through the tender mercy of the Lord and guidance of his Spirit met with this and been satisfied therewith finding it to be the eternal Life the true Food the living Power the pure Rest the Joy and Salvation of the Soul I cannot but testifie it to those that lay out their Money for that which is not Bread and their labour for that which satisfieth not We some of us at least laid out as much of our money as others who now despise us have done and as much of our labour And I may speak it in the fear of the Lord and in true sence without boasting some of us had as much of that which they feed on call bread as they have now Yet when the Lord brought us to the true Ballance we found it not to be bread nor able to give the Soul true satisfaction The bread was not that which we then called bread but that which we overlooked and wist not what it was But the eternal Life which was hid with the Father is manifested in the Son and made known to the Soul as the Son is manifested to it and revealed in it that is bread indeed that is meat which perisheth not but will endure when all litteral and outward knowledge of God and Christ fails and will fall short of satisfying that hunger of the Soul which is after the substance it self Now to draw mens minds to a sence of Truth to a sence of that which is the thing that they might know the Bread indeed that they might know the living Waters come to them and drink thereof and find Christ in them a Well of Water springing up to eternal Life therefore was it in my heart to give forth this Question and the ensuing Queries which he that rightly answers must know the thing and he that doth not know the thing by his inability to answer may find that he doth not and so may wait upon God that he may receive the knowledge of it and come to it for the eternal Life which it freely giveth The Jews were puzled with a literal knowledge of the Law and Prophets and about the Messiah to come according to their understanding of the Prophesies concerning him and so were kept from the true knowledge thereby Most sorts of those that now profess Christ are puzled about a knowledge concerning the outward Body flesh and blood of Christ according as they apprehend the Scriptures to speak and so the vail is over their hearts likewise and they cannot see the eternal Life and Substance no more than the Jews but by an outward litteral knowledge are kept back from the thing as the Jews were Now the breathing of my heart to the Lord is to take away the Vail from all hearts that sincerely desire after Truth and to open the true Eye in them that they may see the desire and beloved of their Souls and may be led by him into the true travel out of self towards the Kingdom yea into the very Land of the living where the food of Life is fed upon where the living Springs flow where are Vineyards which we planted not and dwelling places which we built not where the fruit of the Vine of Gods planting the Wine of the Kingdom is drunk of even new in the Kingdom with the Father and Son in the Spirit who are one and all there The Lord give a sence and understanding that the ear of the Needy the afflicted in Spirit the Mourners the Captives the bowed down may hear and may be drawn to touch that which hath the virtue in it and which effectually redeemeth those that wait upon it from all that boweth down and oppresseth A Question to the Professors of Christianity Whether they have the true living powerful saving Knowledge of Christ or no THE Question is not Whether they know what is said of him in the Scriptures but whether they know it savingly truly livingly powerfully Yea they may know what is said of him and yet not know him of whom those things are said As it was with the Scribes and Pharisees they knew what was said of Christ in the Law and Prophets but they knew not him himself when he appeared in that body of Flesh So men
also of him that appeared in the Body nor only of bodily flesh blood and bones but also of such flesh and bones whereof Christ and his Church consist He is Christ say the Scriptures who is one with the Father who came from the Father in whom the Father was and who was in the Father so said Jesus of himself lifting up his eyes to Heaven and praying to the Father for his Disciples and the Children whom the Father had given him more then once in that seventeenth Chapter of John Yea he is Christ whom a man cannot see but he must see the Father also and whom whosoever seeth the Father seeth who was before Abraham was whom no man could know whence he was even as no man can know whence the Father is Christ granted the Jews that they knew him and whence he was as to his Body and yet for all that he was the Christ who was to come whom no man knew from whence he was What was that Christ called me speaking to Philip Hast thou not known me Philip Hast thou not seen me What dost thou know me after the flesh after the body Dost thou take that for me Have I been so long with you and do ye know me no better then so The body is from below the body is like one of yours only sanctifyed by the Father and preserved without sin but I am the same Spirit Life and Being with the Father We are one Substance one pure power of Life and we cannot be divided but he that sees one must needs see both and he that knows one must needs know both This is the Lamb of God which John bare witnesse of which he said was before him John 1.15 which the body was not Now Friends if ye have this living spiritual knowledge if ye hold it in him that is true then own and acknowledge it as it is expressed in the Scriptures and as God hath now brought it forth in his People that ye may manifest your selves to that which is of God that ye are of him There is an understanding and wisdom of man and there is a Witness of God which Witness gives true Judgment Man at best judgeth but according as things appear to him from the Scriptures but the Witness judgeth of the things of God in the demonstration of the Spirit according as they are felt and known to be in him But if ye have not this knowledge but have long laid out your money and labour for that which is not bread nor can yeeld the true satisfaction O come to the waters and receive that which is given freely without money and without price O sell all for the Pearl for the knowledge which is of Life for the knowledge which is Life I am the Way the Truth and the Life saith Christ this is life Eternal to know And wait to feel the Rock laid as a Foundation in you even the Seed of God the Life of Christ the Spirit of Christ revealed in you and your Souls born of it and built upon it O that ye could come out of your own understandings that ye might feel and receive the love of my Heart and know the travel of my Bowels for you that ye might be born of the Truth and know and receive it as it is in Jesus and as it is felt in the Spirit and in its own pure Power Now a little further to remove Scruple and Prejudices out of the minds of such as sometimes have been touched with the power of Truth and have had the Witness of God reached to in their hearts but afterwards the Enemy hath raised mists and cast blocks in their way stirring up in them hard thoughts against us as if we denyed what the Scriptures affirm in this thing and indeed in effect that Christ which died at Jerusalem and set up a natural Principle within instead thereof To remove this out of the minds of the honest-hearted who in the guidance of God may light on this Paper I shall open my heart nakedly herein 1. We do own that the Word of God the only begotten of the Father did take up a Body of the flesh of the Virgin Mary who was of the Seed of David according to the Scriptures and did the Will of the Father therein in holy obedience unto him both in life and death 2. That he did offer up the flesh and blood of that Body though not only so for he poured out his Soul he poured out his Life a Sacrifice or Offering for sin do not O do not stumble at it but rather wait on the Lord to understand it for we speak in this matter what we know a Sacrifice unto the Father and in it tasted death for every man and that it is upon consideration and through Gods acceptance of this Sacrifice for sin that the sins of Believers are pardoned that God might be just and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus or who is of the Faith of Jesus 3. What is attributed to that Body we acknowledge and give to that Body in its place according as the Scripture attributeth it which is through and because of that which dwelt and acted in it But that which sanctified and kept the Body pure and made all acceptable in him was the Life Holiness and Righteousness of the Spirit And the same thing that kept his Vessel pure it is the same thing that cleanseth us The value which the natural flesh and blood had was from that in its coming from that in its acting in that in its suffering through that Yea indeed that hath the virtue that is it which is of an unchangeable nature which abideth for ever which is pure and maketh pure for ever and it is impossible for a man to touch it but he must feel cleansing by it Now this living Virtue and Power man was shut out from by the fall but through the true knowledge of the death of Christ the way is made open to it again and man brought to it to be baptized washed cleansed sanctified fitted for and filled with life so that this is it that doth the thing this is it from whence Christ had his own flesh and blood for we are taught both by the Spirit and by the Scriptures to distinguish between Christs own flesh and that of ours which he took up and made his which flesh and blood we feed of in the Spirit which they cannot feed on which serve at the outward Tabernacle nor they neither which know onely the outward body but they only that feed in the Spirit Now of this thing we might speak yet more clearly and plainly could men hear our words But if we have spoken to you earthly things in Parables and Figures suitable to your understanding and ye believe not How shall ye believe if we speak to you heavenly things if we should tell you plainly of the Father in whom is all the life of the Son and all the virtue of
Salvation that ever the Son had from him The Jews were to learn in Types Figures and Shadows till Christ came And after Christ came he also taught them in Resemblances and Similitudes of things and the Apostle wrote and spake much to persons as just coming out of that state in a language suited to that state But he that comes into the thing it self and is taught there by the Spirit after he is grown up and made capable he is taught plainly the nature of the Heavenly things and the words of the Apostles concerning the deep things of God which are mysterious to others are manifest plain to him Yea the Lord so teacheth him things as words cannot utter that is He so knoweth the Peace of God the Joy of his Spirit the Life and Power of the Lord Jesus Christ his Wisdom Righteousness and pure pretious way of sanctifying the heart the tender Mercy Faithfulness and rich love of the Father c. as he cannot utter to any man nay so as he never learned nor could learn from words about the thing but by the sense and experience of the thing it self the Lord in whom are the depths of life and who giveth the sense and understanding of the deep things of the Spirit opening them in him and manifesting them to him And indeed this is the right and excellent way of knowledge to come into the Union to come into the Thing it self to learn in the Union to see and know in the Thing This is the Way that the Lord teacheth all his Children in the new Covenant by inward Life by the pure Light within by the inward demonstration of his Spirit by the Power and Virtue of the Truth it self which it hath in him that is true And he that is in the Son hath some measure of this Life and he that hath not some measure of this Life is not in the Son but in a talk and wise knowledge of things after the flesh which will perish and he with it who abideth there For no man can be saved but by coming into the knowledge which is of a pure eternal living saving Nature Can an opinion which a man takes up concerning Christ from the Scriptures and casting himself thereupon save him for it is no more than an Opinion or Judgment unto a man unless he be in the life and power of the thing it self Then indeed it is Truth to him Knowledge in him right Knowledge otherwise it is but Knowledge falsly so called Knowledge which will not subdue his heart to Truth nor hath its seat there but in his head making him wise and able there to oppose Truth and so bringing him into a state of Condemnation Wrath and Misery beyond the Heathen and making him harder to be wrought upon by the Light and Power of Truth than the very Heathen Therefore consider your wayes O Professors of Christianity and do not despise the hand which is stretched forth to you in the love of God and in the motion and guidance of his Spirit who condescends to you exceedingly that he might reach to his own in you and scatter your Apprehensions Imaginations and Conceivings about the meanings of Scriptures which are as so many Chains of Death and Darkness upon you that ye might come to him in whom is Life and who gives life freely to all that come to him O observe what Barrs were in the way of the Scribes and Pharisees They would not come to him that they might have life nay indeed they could not as they stood There are greater Barrs in your way yea it is harder for many of you to come to him than it was for them My upright desire to the Lord for you is That he would remove the stumbling-blocks out of your way that he would batter and knock down the flesh in you that he would strip you of al your knowledge of Scriptures according to the flesh that ye might be made by him capable of knowing and receiving things according to the Spirit and then ye will know how to understand honour and make use of the Letter also but till then ye cannot but make use of it both against your own Souls and against Christ and his Truth And then for setting up a natural Principle we are further from that then ye are aware For we are as shy of this and jealous that it was a natural Principle as ye can be and started from it divers of us till the Lord by his eternal Power and demonstration of his Spirit reached our hearts and shewed us that it was the Seed of the Kingdom even the Root of all the Spiritual life that either we our selves formerly or ever any else received at any time and gave us the sight of the things of the Kingdom in it and at length wrought that in us and for us by it which never was wrought in us before and which can be wrought by nothing else but the power of the Spirit Now having certainly felt and known the thing in our own hearts and having also seen the Snares and Nets which the Enemy laies for you whereby he keeps you from the true Bread and from the Water and Wine of the Kingdom even as he kept us formerly How can we hold our peace but witness to you in the love and drawings of the Spirit of the Lord of the Truth Life and Power which we have felt in Jesus though ye become our Enemies therefore Nor do we this to bring you to another Opinion or outward Way that is not our end but that ye might feel the thing it self and know assuredly what is the Truth in that which never was deceived it self nor ever deceived any nor will suffer any to be deceived who are joyned to it and abide in it O why should ye wander in the dark Opinions and uncertainties of the night Why should ye not rather come to that wherein the light of the day springs and out of which it shines And can the natural man who hath his eyes be deceived about the light of the natural day Doth he not know the Light of the day both from the lights and also from the darkness of the night Ten thousand times more certain and inwardly satisfied is he who is born of the spiritual Day brought forth in the Light thereof and who spiritually sees lives and walks therein So that there is no doubt in him who is grown up into the thing but he hath the assurance of Faith which is far above the assurance of outward sense or reason and the assurance of understanding O blessed is he who hath an eye to see an ear to hear an heart to understand the things which God hath revealed by his Spirit in this our day the living Way which he hath now made manifest the principle of Life that he hath raised out of the Grave of Death But he that reproacheth and speaketh evil of this that will neither enter in himself nor suffer
is but when Christ cometh no man knoweth whence he is He is not holy strict and zealous according to the Law say others but a loose person a man gluttonous and a Wine-bibber a friend of Publicans and sinners one who teacheth not his Disciples to fast and pray as the Pharisees did theirs and John who was generally looked upon as a Prophet did his but justifieth them in plucking the ears of Corn on the Sabbath Day and so thereby rather incouraging them to break it then strictly to observe and keep it according to Gods Law He is a Blasphemer say some speaks most horrid blasphemy making himself equal with God He reproacheth the most strict and zealous men that we have even our Teachers and Interpreters of the Law and Prophets calling them Hypocrites painted Sepulchres blind Guides c. and pronounceth Wo upon Wo against them And those that are the Children of Abraham he calls the Children of the Devil and saith He that committeth sin is the Servant of sin But if the Son meaning himself make you free ye shall be free indeed And if we will have life in us we must believe in him and eat his flesh and drink his blood Did ever Moses or any of the Prophets teach such Doctrine Again he saith If a man keep my saying he shall never see death whereas Abraham and the Prophets who believed God and kept his sayings are all dead This made them even conclude he had a Devil John 8.52 So how could they understand him when he said He was the good Shepherd and the Door c. and that all that ever came before him were Thieves and Robbers Would they not look upon this as witnessing of himself and endeavouring to set up himself And when he said Verily verily before Abraham was I am Were they not ready to stone him for speaking a false and impossible thing as it seemed to them he manifestly being not yet fifty years old But suppose it to be true that he was before Abraham how then could he be the Messiah who was to come of Abraham and out of the loyns of David according to the Scriptures And then for his Miracles having beforehand concluded that he was a bad Man a Sinner a breaker of the Sabbath a Blasphemer a deceiver of the People c. How easie was it for them to harden themselves against them and to infer that he wrought not these things by the power of God but by the aid and assistance of the Devil to overthrow the Laws and Ordinances of Moses and to set up himself and his new Doctrine by Indeed many and some seemingly strong and unanswerable were the exceptions which the wisdom and understanding in them which was out of the Life and Power of Truth formed against Christ whereby they justified themselves in their refusal of him who was Sealed and sent of the Father and so excluded themselves the Kingdom and the Righteousness thereof This is past and they can condemn them now who themselves are acting over again the same thing in spirit It pleaseth the Lord thus to suffer things to be still so to give forth the dispensations of his Life as they alone that are in some measure of his Life can discern them And the same spirit under a new guise still opposeth Truth in its present appearance and dispensation and stirreth men up to flight and blaspheme that holy Name and Power which they that believe in are saved and sanctified by Well what shall I say to you O that ye could discern Spirits O that ye could see what spirit ye are of and whom ye serve in opposing the present dispensation of Life O that ye could see how ye read Scriptures out of that which wrote them and bend them against that which wrote them making your selves wise and strong in a wrong Wisdom and Knowledge against the Lord and against his Christ whom he hath set upon his holy Hill of Sion and who appeareth there though ye see it not For Sion is not now literal or after the flesh the Day is come the Shadows are gone But Sion is the holy Hill of God in Spirit upon which the Heavenly Jerusalem is built which is revealed come down and coming down from Heaven and many of the Heavenly Citizens dwell there already and more are coming thither to dwell for even from the East West North and South shall the gathering be to sit with Abraham Isaac and Jacob in the Kingdom which cannot be shaken which Kingdom was received by the Christians formerly before the Apostacy and is now received again blessed be his Name who lives and reigns in Power over all the spirits of darkness and deceit maintaining his pure Life and Truth in the hearts of his Children in despite of them all But why should ye thus err in Heart from the pure Truth Why should ye not open to him that knocks in his holy Power and in the demonstrations of his Spirit to your Consciences Why should a subtile device of the deceiver be let in and hugged by you to cause you to thrust him back from your hearts who is the Word of eternal Life and with whom are the words of eternal Life The Lord God discover the deep deceits of the Enemy to you whereby he captivateth your hearts and understandings that it may not be alwayes said of you as it was of the Jews He came unto his own and his own received him not But to as many as received him he gave power in the day of his flesh and he giveth much more power to them that receive him in Spirit in the Day of his Spirit to become Sons of God And because they are Sons he poureth out abundantly of his Spirit upon them And he that hath the Spirit hath the Son and he that hath the Son hath Life But he that hath not the Son but blasphemeth the appearance and light of his Spirit hath not life but is yet in that Wisdom and Knowledge which is death and which keeps him dead Now the Lord of his tender Mercy make you sensible of and pardon your opposing and resisting his Truth and also cause the Light of Life to shine in your hearts quickening and guiding you thereby out of the Land of Death and Darkness into the holy Land of Life that all that sincerely breath after Truth may through the faithful travel come to sit down dwell and feed together in it in the one Power in the one Life in the one holy Spirit where is pure Rest and Peace perfect Joy and Satisfaction for evermore Amen Some QUERIES concerning Christ and his Appearances his taking upon him our flesh As also concerning his flesh and blood and our being formed thereof and feeding thereon Query 1. VVHether there was not a necessity of Christs taking upon him our flesh for the redemption of those that had sinned and the satisfaction of the justice offended Quer. 2. Whether the Father did not accordingly prepare a
while he was here on Earth yet was not excluded from being in Heaven with the Father at the very same time as he himself said concerning himself The Son of Man which is in Heaven John 3.13 Nor was the Father excluded from being with him in the Body but the Father was in him and he in the Father whereupon he said to Philip He that hath seen me hath seen the Father What did every on that saw that Body see the Father also Nay not so but be that saw Christ the Son of the living God whom flesh and blood revealed not but the Father only Mat. 16.16 17. he saw the Father also O Friends look to your knowledge of Christ and to your Faith and Knowledge of the Scriptures and to your Prayers also for it is easie missing of the living substance in all these and meeting with a shadow which may please and make a great shew in the earthly part in the natural understanding and affections but satisfieth not the Soul or that which is born after the Spirit but still the cry there goes out where the Soul is awakened after Truth Substance Life Virtue from Gods Spirit in the Spirit which it alone can feed upon These four things following I am certain of which he that cometh into the true Light shall infallibly experience them there First That nothing can save but the knowledge of Christ even of that very Christ and no other who took upon him the prepared Body and offered it up at Jerusalem Secondly That no Knowledge of Christ can save but the living Knowledge Not a knowledge of him after the Letter which the carnal part may get much of and value it self much by but a knowledge of him in the Spirit which is only given to that which is begotten and born of the Spirit and only retained by that which abides and remains in the Spirit and runs not out into the fleshly reasonings imaginings and conceivings about the things mentioned in the Scriptures Thirdly That that man who knoweth not Christ in Spirit nor keepeth close to him in Spirit but through darkness and misguidance of the spirit of deceit calleth the shinings of his Light his reproofs his checks for that which is evil and his secret motions to that which is good natural This man though he seem to own Christ never so much according to the Letter yet in Truth denies him Fourthly He that denies Christ in his knocking 's and visitations of him in his own heart and before men in the Truths which he holds forth by his Servants and Ministers of his Spirit him will he deny before his Father in Heaven O I beseech you do not trifle about these things for they are exceeding weighty lest ye perish from the way for missing of the Saviour ye must needs also miss of the Salvation O that ye knew your state as God knows it to be and as it is ceatainly known and felt in the measure of his Life and holy Spirit by those whom God hath gathered together and whose eyes he hath opened and preserveth open there Glory be to his Name therefore Yea Glory Glory Glory and everlasting Praises be sung to him throughout all the holy Land yea in the very heights of Sion by the Souls of the Redeemed from henceforth and for evermore Amen whose Mercy Love Grace Wisdom Power and rich Goodness remaineth and endureth for ever by and in which the Redeemed live to his Praise who have overcome by the Blood of the Lamb whose Blood they know what it is and none else knoweth it but they who feel the sprinkling and virtue of it Lo this is our God we have waited for him and how can we but be glad and rejoyce in his Salvation O let all that live by the breath of thy Power and drink of thy Streams sing praise unto Thee and exalt thy great and wonderful Name for ever and ever Some Propositions and Considerations concerning the nature of Church-Worships and Ordinances since the dayes of the Apostles for the sake of the Simplicity which hath been long held captive therein HE that would know the true state of the Church and Ordinances thereof must wait upon God in fear and humility of heart who alone is able to give the true knowledge and understanding of these things And he that cometh to the Spirit waiteth in the Spirit and receiveth the true Light from the Spirit he shall be able to measure Ages and Generations past as with a span and see clearly in that Light how things were before the Apostacy while the Church was in the Wilderness and how things shall be again after the Apostacy when the Church cometh out of the Wilderness She her self is the same in all but her state is different according to the wisdom and good pleasure of him who variously disposeth of her One while she is cloathed appearing in the beauty and glorious dress which the Lord had put upon her Another while she is stripped of her outward Garments and the Harlot dressed therewith and appearing therein After which season she is adorned again as gloriously if not more gloriously then before but whether ever she appears more in those Garments wherein the Harlot had been dressed and wherein she had long appeared even all the time of the Apostacy the Lord would be enquired of and waited on to know Now to help the tender and upright hearts towards the true sense of these things the Propositions and Considerations following are given forth which he that sincerely waiteth on the Lord from him may receive the true understanding and right acknowledgment of 1. That upon the coming of Christ and the change of that outward Covenant the distinction betwen the outward Jew and Gentile fell they becoming all one as in relation to Christ and then another distinction arose in relation to the Faith Believers becoming Jews now and unbelievers Gentiles 2. That these true inward Jews had not only the inward Faith the Life the Power the Spirit but also a Ministry Ordinances and gifts of the Spirit relating to their present state 3. That there was a time after a long and sharp fight between the true Ministers who appered in the true Light and Power of the true Spirit and the false Ministers who also appeared as Ministers of Righteousness and as in the Power of the Spirit but were not such indeed but instructed by Satan to transform themselves into a resemblance and likeness of Ministers of Righteousness For though they said they were Apostles and seemed so in appearance yet their Spirit being tried was found not to be the Spirit of the Apostles I say there was a time when there was a division or separation made between the inward Temple and the outward Court 4. That when this division was made the outward Court was given to the Gentiles not any longer reserved by God for the true worshippers who worship in Spirit and Truth but given to the unbelievers the
and all fleshly reasonings into the Spirit of Life and examine there both your inward and outward buildings that your loss be not great and your anguish unutterable in the Day of the Lord when all those buildings which are raised and preserved in the pure Life and Power shall shine in the beauty and glory of Gods Spirit and the greatest glory of flesh and fleshly buildings fade and wither The Sounding of Bowels towards thee O ENGLAND EArly in the morning on the 26th day of the sixth month 1666. this in the freshness and quick sense of Life sprang up in my heart again and again O England England England how good had it been for thee that thou hadst known and walked in the way of Peace There is a way of Peace for Persons and Nations to know and walk in but every Person and Nation doth not know and walk in this way but rather in the way of trouble Quest What is the way of Peace Answ It is the way of the pure Wisdom the way of the Light and guidance of God's Spirit from whom the Creature came and by whom alone it can be rightly ordered He that waiteth on him for Counsel he that subjecteth to and walketh in his Counsel he walketh in the way of Peace Quest What is the way of Trouble Answ The way of a mans own Wisdom and Counsel For a Man or Nation to do that which is right in their own eyes This is the way of Man whereby he thinks to establish himself and put an end to his Troubles but he errs therein as in the end he still finds to his Woe Now O England consider Hast thou had the guidance of God Hath the Light which hath guided thy steps been lighted by him or by his and thy Souls Enemy For there is a Spirit of a contrary nature to God near Man which he suddenly taketh counsel of when his heart is not acquainted with nor receiveth counsel of the Lord. And this Counsellor is the destroyer both of Persons and Nations leading them in wayes of ruine and subversion under an appearance of being the properwayes of Peace and Settlement It is true of Nations as well as Persons that what they sow that shall they also reap God measureth out their time unto them and when that is over his time of judging and pleading with them comes And woe is then unto them who have acted in their own wills and wisdoms out of the pure Counsel and fear of the Lord wherein they should have stood and been guided It is a day of trouble and distress The weight of the iniquity of this Nation begins to be felt upon it O let every one search and bow before the Lord under his righteous Judgements that there may be no going on in that which bringeth and will increase the judgement but a turning towards that which interceeds and opens the springs of Mercy Two things lie heavy on this Nation to wit a running on in Transgressions of several kinds against the Lord forgetting his tender Mercies with the dayes of former distress and an afflicting others whom he loves and hath led and is leading out of transgression O that these things might come to an end that the anger of the Lord might cease and the wayes of his Judgements and pleading with this Nation be stopped for who can stand before him when he riseth up in controversie against them There is but one eye which can rightly see the Hand and Judgments of the Lord yea it pleaseth the Lord so to manage them that only the eye which is of him may see them Man must be taken in his Wisdom and caught in the snare of his own understanding He that will see the Things of God the Wayes of God the Counsels of God the Love and Sweetness of God yea the very Judgments of God must receive from him the eye that seeth them O that men might feel after and come into that wherein they might be pittied and spared by their Maker Man must bow that which is of God in man which hath long lain under oppression must be exalted It is the day of his Power and he will reign in it O happy they that bow to his Scepter and kiss the shinings of his Light even in the sharpest rebukes of it in their hearts that they may turn from and travel out of the darkness where is death destruction and misery even in all the counsels and wayes of it and come into unity with that which is pure and live Written in Alisb Prison 27. of 6th month 66. A faithful Guidance to the Principle and Path of Truth wherein eternal Life is witnessed by those who are born thereof and walk therein THere must be somewhat let down from God into a mans heart to change his heart and redeem it to God or he cannot be saved He must receive a Seed be born of a new and incorruptible Seed or he cannot be renewed from his corrupt nature and state He must be born of Water and Gods Spirit or he cannot enter into Gods Kingdom Now this is the true Religion namely to experience and be subject to that Power which redeems to God which breaks the power of the wicked one in the heart first casting him out and then taking possession of the Vessel and filling it with the holy Treasure Quest But how may a man meet with such a thing as this Answ The Scripture which giveth a faithful Testimony concerning the Truth saith Christ the Word of Faith which the Apostles preached is nigh Insomuch as a man need not say Who shall go up or down to fetch it but what saith it The Word is nigh thee in thy mouth and in thy heart This is that which reconciles to God cutting down and slaying the enmity by the Power of the Cross and bringing up the Seed This is the Adversary in the way of the sinner which he that maketh peace with shall be remitted all his trespasses past and find power and strength against sin for the time to come as he is gathered into and brought forth in his pure Life and Nature Quest But how shall I know and receive this Answ That in the heart which is contrary to sin which discovereth sin which witnesseth against sin and is drawing the mind from it furnishing those with a new and holy ability who wait upon the Lord in it that that is the thing though in never so little a Seed or low measure Now he that minds this harkens to this turns from what this in its pure unerring Light shews to be evil follows in the will strength and ability which is of this what this shews to be good he receives it and waiting upon it and becoming daily subject to it shall grow up in it increase in the knowledge of it and acquaintance with it and receive of it daily more and more And thus the man whose way was vile whose heart was naught formed in wickedness filled with
corruption daily bringing forth sin and fruits unto death shall find these by the pure Light and holy instructions of Life daily purged out of him and Christ formed in him and the holy Fruits of Righteousnesse brought forth through his Vessel by the Power and Spirit of Christ to the Glory of God the Father And then being in Christ being in the Principle of his Life and acting therein here is peace in the Soul rest to it from its Enemies and Gods Judgments and acceptance with the Father in what the Soul thus is and works But then the World will persecute and hate exceedingly because this Soul who thus submits to God and is thus changed by him is not of the World but of the Father which begat it in Christ and formeth it in his image and likeness Likewise in this Light the eyes are opened to reade the Scriptures and to understand therein the conditions of the People and Saints of the most High in former Generations and how the wicked spirit wrought then to oppose the Truth and People of God and to draw men into deceit Yea and many other wayes the Scriptures are exceeding sweet and useful being read in that which giveth the true sense and understanding of them But let him that once putteth his hand to the Plow beginning to feel somewhat of God and to subject unto it and so to taste of the Peace and pureness of it never look back to the World nor mind the temptations and oppositions he will meet with from that nature and spirit either in himself or others for if he do he will never be able to travel on but rather consult with flesh and blood and so return back into Egypt and lose the Crown which is laid up for those who pass on through the Wilderness through the Tryals through the Temptations through the Wants through the various Exercises to their journeys end This is the Path of Life in brief happy is he who feels the guider into it and faithfully follows him therein to the end There is another Question springs up in my heart which is this Quest How may a man come to have his sins washed away by the Blood of Christ Answ By coming into the Light and walking in the Light which discovers the Blood and wherein alone it is sprinkled by God and felt by the Soul he may receive the cleansing which is by it This is according to the Testimony of Scripture as 1 John 1.7 If we walk in the Light as he is in the Light we have fellowship one with another and the Blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin By the Light the darkness is dispelled and in the Light the corruption and filth is washed away by the Blood and the Soul Mind and Conscience cleansed from it This then is the Message that we have heard of him and declare unto you that God is Light and in him is no darkness at all vers 5. What then Why then they that will know God and walk with God must by the Virtue of his Truth be turned from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God as Acts 26.18 and in that Light he shall meet with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ and have fellowship with them ver 3. and shall be washed both with the Water and with the Blood and kept clean and pure thereby in the sight of God Quest But how shall I come into the Light and how may I walk therein Answ Christ is the Light He is the Light of the World the Light of Men the Light of Life And thou needest not say in thine heart Who shall go up to Heaven or down into the deep for him for he is near in thy mouth and in thy heart This is the Word of Faith which thou art to believe in love and obey that in the love faith and obedience thereof thine heart may be circumcised and thou mayest live This is the Gospel of our Salvation even this Christ this Word this Light this Life which redeems from sin which destroyeth the destroyer and setteth the Soul free to serve and live to the Lord. This was the Message the Apostles had to deliver in their day as Rom. 10.8 And this was Moses his Message too when he spake concerning the new Covenant For Moses did not only deliver the old Covenant but he also spake concerning the new even another Covenant than that of Mount Horeb Deut. 29.1 And the Word of this other Covenant was not the Law written in Tables of Stone but the Word nigh in the mouth and heart chap. 30.14 Objection But that place speaks of doing which is the Voice of the old Covenant Do this and live but the new Covenant stands in believing Answ The end of Faith is obedience Why do I believe Christ but that I may receive the Law of his Spirit and walk before him in the newness of the obedience thereof And he that obeys is of the Faith and in the Truth and he that obeys not is out of it is not in the Power not in the Life which brings forth the obedience so out of the thing which redeems and in which the redemption is witnessed But he that obeys he that doth the Will he is in the Righteousness in the Power in the Life from which the obedience springs And here the washing and purifying of the Soul is truly known and witnessed Outward Sacrifices under the Law were vain as to cleansing the Soul and an outward belief of what Christ did and suffered effects not the thing known What then The new Creature doth The pure Faith doth The pure Obedience doth It did it formerly it doth it still and nothing else can do it Bring no more vain Oblations but wash ye make you clean put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes cease to do evil learn to do well c. But how should this be could they ever attain this by the old Covenant Nay but Moses had not only delivered them the old Covenant but also had directed them to the new to the Word of Faith to the Word of Life and Power in the heart and mouth through the obedience whereof they might wash themselves as Peter even in the Gospel-times speaketh 1 Pet. 1.22 put away the evil of their doings cease to do evil learn to do well c. And what then Why then they should receive the cleansing through the Blood of the Lamb for then though their sins were as Scarlet they should be as white as Snow though they were red like Crimson they should be as Wool Isa 1.16 17 18. So Micah tells them when they asked how they might come before God to please him He hath shewed thee O man what is good and what doth the Lord require of thee but to do justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with thy God Mich. 6.8 Where or how doth God shew this to man Had not
mans nature nor to be attained by his Art They also know and hear the Voice of the Word nigh in the mouth and heart and follow the Law of his Spirit received from his mouth which none else but his Sheep do or can do for this is given by him and it is given by him only to his Sheep Quest 7. What doth Christ the Shepherd the eternal Word the Wisdom Life and Power of the Father do for his Sheep Answ He doth great things for them which utter who can but happy is he that feels and knows them He gives them a new Nature a new Spirit a new Heart a new Name which none knoweth but he that hath it for it is written on the white stone which none else receives nor none else can read but he that hath the eye which is of him what is written thereon He giveth them eternal Life he leadeth them into the postures of Life he giveth them to drink of the Waters of Life He patteth them forth out of the Prison-house out of the Chains and Fetters out of the Darkness out of the Bonds and from under the burthens of the Soul into the pure Light and liberty of the Spirit where they taste know and enjoy of his freedom and dwell with him and rest with him and lie down with him and rise up with him even in the same eternal Life Spirit and Power wherein his dwelling-place is And all this they enjoy safely hearkening to the Voice of the Shepherd and turning from the voice of the stranger which it is natural to them to do For being turned from man born of that which is immortal and keeping to that that ear which is there received will alone hearken to the Voice of him who is Immortal and the voice of the stranger who speaketh of himself is presently discerned and turned from by him that heareth with the true ear The Lord God who is the Spring and Fountain of all good inflame people with desires after the pure Life and holy Nature which is of and from Christ the Seed his Son and satisfie those desires which are singly and uprightly after him The Conclusion GLorious was the estate of the Church before the Apostacy for Purity of Doctrine for holy Order and Discipline for Love to God one to another and to all men even of Enemies for Faith in God for the Presence and Power of his Spirit among them insomuch as the unbeliever coming among them might find his heart and state reached to and be forced to confess and report that God was in them of a truth for singleness and uprightnesse of Heart meekness and innocency of Spirit and Conversation for zeal for God and his Truth suffering the spoiling of their Goods Imprisonments Stripes and many other wayes both from the Heathen and also from the professing Jews who had been the Church once O what shall I say concerning the beauty and loveliness of that State Ye that would know it O wait to feel it in that which giveth the true sence of it But over this glorious State came a dark thick corrupt night wherein the Kernel was lost and the Shell defaced wherein the House which had been swept and garnished became again recovered and possessed by the wicked spirit And how great hath this darkness been O what a kind of Church hath appeared in the World wherein the spirit of Enmity hath dwelt and acted in men under the Name of Christianity So that instead of loving and seeking the good of Enemies they are ready to rend and tear one another for every little difference and will be Lords over mens Faith requiring men to practise things in Religion before the Spirit of the Lord teacheth them so to do which the Apostles did not For though they had from God the express knowledge of what was Truth and could certainly instruct and build men up therein yet they were not Lords over mens Faith but if men were otherwise minded then according to what they knew and taught they could wait and bear with them bidding them walk so far as they had attained and God in his due time would reveal the rest also O that men were come to this Spirit again Then they would be Christians indeed and then they might be known to be Christs Disciples by their loving the Brethren and fellow-Disciples But without this love mens Religion is but as a tinkling Cymbal making a noise and sound of somewhat but not having the true Nature or Virtue of Religion in it Now will it not be a glorious Day when the Spirit of the Lord cleanseth away this thick darkness and causeth the Light of his pure Truth to arise and appear again Why there is such a Day to be wherein the true Church which was reproached and driven into the Wilderness is to come out of the Wilderness again and her Witnesses stand on their feet again and her Seed to spring up in the Power of Life following the Lamb who marcheth on fighting with the Sword of the Spirit the words of his mouth conquering and to conquer thereby the corrupted Antichristian World even as he did at first the corrupt Heathenish World The Lord will purifie his Temple and cleanse the World by the Plagues of his Angels which he hath prepared making way for the beauty of his Truth and the Church of his gathering wherein he will bring forth his Righteousness wherein his Power shall appear wherein his Presence shall be made manifest wherein that which shined before in the Primitive Church shall shine again in this new-reared Building of his insomuch as men shall be forced to say This is the Church of Christ indeed God is here of a truth This is the Gospel-Jerusalem indeed which is built upon the holy Hill of Sion in which Innocency Righteousnesse Truth Love Sweetnesse Peaceablenesse and the gentle Nature and Spirit of the Lamb lives and reigns and the Lord bless thee O Habitation of Justice and Mountain of Holiness Now of a truth this Work is begun The times of refreshment are come from the Presence of the Lord. The Lord hath heard from Heaven pittying the cries of his Seed and hath visited their Souls causing the Light of Life even the pure Light of the everlasting Covenant to shine upon their Tabernacles But whoever would know these things and partake of them must come in at the Door by the Guidance of the Spirit through the Light which is with him And he that would enjoy the full Light even the shinings forth of the Sun at noon day must begin with its glimmerings even that in the heart which discovereth and draweth out of the corrupt state of the World towards the Father O hear and live Do not dispute about it but wait to feel it upon the feeling of it despising the shame and taking up and enduring the Cross and so bearing the reproach and sufferings of Christ in thy Age and Generation And as thou obeyest thou shalt know of its Doctrine but out of the pure Faith and Obedience there is no true sound deep rooted knowledge but all of that kind must be parted with for the knowledge which is of the Faith and which is made manifest and increased in the Obedience which knowledge is of a far more excellent Kind and Nature than that which thou art to part with for it The Lord guide thy Mind and stretch forth his Hand to help thee who from the least touch of a true Nature and Spirit desirest after the pure Truth and way of eternal Life Amen This Testimony here held forth is faithful and true and I know the Witness of God in many hearts will answer to it and happy is he that maketh a right use of it For so doing his Soul will not fall short of the pure living Truth nor set up any thing else for Truth which is not THE END