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A81396 Christ exalted, and alone worthy to open the seals of the book. And the scriptures owned in their place. A true testimony of him, as is manifest, in answer to a book, intituled, The Quakers apostacy, from the perfect rule of scriptures. Given forth by John Timson, of Great Bowden in Leicestershire. And the deceits and blasphemies he charges upon the Quakers, is turned upon his own head, and he found guilty of what he reproaches them with, in what is written for the simples sake, and truth to clear from false accusations and lyes cast upon it. And the ten queries he saith he vindicateth, and would print but foure of them, they are all published, with the answers that he charges to be confused, dark and deceitfull, that the answers may witnesse for themselves against what is charged upon them. He that hath an understanding in the light, read and judge. / William Dewsberry. Dewsbury, William, 1621-1688. 1656 (1656) Wing D1258; Thomason E891_6; ESTC R206512 24,367 32

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witnesse against thy false accusations and revileings which thou hast filled thy Book withall As in the 14. and 15. Pa Speaking to them thou calls friends whom thou sayst is seduced and thou declares that those whom thou charges with seducing them doth teach them to cease from all religious duties of commanded worship without scruple or checke of Conscience before they can enjoy God or be taught immediately what to do first put out the true light and power of Conscience to do his office by de spising the means of enlightning and convincing it to act in the soul and then resolves to follow the immediate commands of Conscience without questioning the Author of those Lawes at all Reply Thy accusation is fals we do not teach any to cease from all religious duties of commanded worship neither put out the true light we teach all to be obedient to the commands of God who saith this is my beloved Son in whom I am wel-pleased hear him Mat. 17. 5. And we bear testimony of him that he is the true light that lighteth every one that comes into the world Joh. 1. 9. and convinces the world of sin Righteousnesse and Judgement Joh. 16. 8. and he alone commands in the Conscience for God and is the Author of the perfect Law handed in the hand of a mediator to whom we exhort all to be subject and in whom all the Children of light walk Col. 2. 6. And for thy expressing a depth of deceit and delusion which thou charges upon us which is found in thy self who hath made lyes thy refuge to slander the innocent which is further manifest in thy 16. Pa. Thou sayst we take no notice of Scripture authority as if they were altogether out of date which false accusation is witnessed against in what is returned in answer to the preface of thy Book And in the 17. and 18. Pa. thou charges us with impudent foreheads to make a shew of one thing and intend another purposely minded to deceive and yet they tell us often that as they write so they meane and speak the truth in plainesse most horrible hypocrisy and deceit which nothing but a lying and a knavish head dare goe about to excuse c. And all those unsavory words as before written wherein thou sayst we have discovered to purpose the deceit of our answer in saying the revelations of Christ are according to Scripture and where the new Covenant is witnest the law is written in the heart and the witnesse and testimony of Jesus within bearing witnesse with our spirits that we are the Sons of God Reply Doing any thing of purpose to deceive through hypocrisye or knavish heads we deny and in the presence of God we speak the truth in plainesse and doe witnesse there is no deceit in saying the revelations of Christ are according to Scripture and all in the new Covenant do know the law of God written in their hearts and the witnesse or testimony of Jesus within 1 Jo. 5. 10. bearing witnesse with their spirits that they are the Children of God Ro. 8. 16. and this declared is neither deceitfull nor knavish which is the unsavory words thou charges on us let the truth of God in all Consciences judge to whom they belong the Scriptures we are not against they bear testimony of Christ the light whom we witnesse the way to the father Mat. 1. 27. None knows the father but the Son and he to whom the Son will reveale him by the revelation of the Spirit of God is the things of God knowne to his people 1 Cor. 2. 9. 10. 13. Ro. 8. 11. 16. according as is recorded we witnesse the Scriptures fulfilled in Christ the light who is our life Col. 3. 3. 4. And whereas thou queries did ever any read of the law and testimony in the heart and that the law and testimony in the heart is the law of the new Covenant Reply Who hath read the Scripture in the fear of God hath read what the Lord hath promised as declared Isa 8. 16. Bind up the testimony seal the law among my Disciples and Jer. 31. 33. This shall be the Covenant I will make with the house of Israel in those daies saith the Lord I will put my Lawes in their inward parts and write it in their hearts Heb. 8. 10 11 12. and the law written in the heart we witnesse and the Lord faithful in performing according to his Promise in the new Covenant And thou goes on in the 19. and 20. Pa calling us impostors and pervertors of the new Covenant and to be in Idle proud fancyes and itching humors of our owne brains in our Apostate Condition Reply We in the light can bear thy reproach and have witnessed the truth that it may stand a witnesse against thy revileings and in the Lord we rest who will make manifest whether thou or we be the perverters of the new Covenant and guilty of what thou charges us with And whereas thou in the 22. Pa. sayes that W. Dewesberry tells us that the mighty day of the Lord is appeared in the North of England and is riseing towards the South and shall overspread this Nation and all the Natious of the world c. what the mans fancy and designe is in bruiting and makeing such a noise of the appearance of the mighty day of the Lord judge ye I am sure he hath sufficiently discovered his owne folly in blazing abroad such dreams of his owne lying heart c. Reply In thy 2. Pa. thou hath enlarged thy self concerning that Book calling it a lying paper c. and the truth is witnessed in answer to thy charge and this in answer to what is here written fancies bruitishnesse folly dreams and lyes W. Deusberry denys the truth he hath declared as the Lord hath him moved in faithfullnesse to the souls of all people that they be not found the sloathfull servants putting the day of the Lord a farr off in this his day wherein the houre of his righteous judgement is come Rev. 14. 7. to all that wait on him the truth is declared that all men may prepare in the light the Lord to meet and no longer in sloathfulnesse remain least he come upon them as a theife in the night and if the day of the Lord do not arise over all the world and the kingdoms of the world become the kingdomes of our Lord and his Christ and the Lord performe not as is declared then say the Lord harh not spoken by me who is known to the world by name William Dewsberry And in the 22. Pa. thou says we have set our selves in the Throne of Christ judging the whole world Reply Thy accusation is false self we deny to Christ we are snbject who sits on his Throne and is come and comeing in his Saints to judge the world Jude 14 15. 1 Cor. 6. 2. and 2. 5. And in the 23. Pa. thou sayst why do not we command the dead to rise
not any can be saved by what they doe in their own wills all that is done in that nature is abomination to God as is plain in the Answer to what thou hast writ in the 70 Page It is not of him that willeth nor of him that runneth but of God that shewes mercy Rom. 9. 16. which he makes manifest in the riches of his grace in Christ the light who leads all that obey him in the strait way of self-deniall and the daily crosse in obedience to the will of God which is our sanctification And he that sanctifieth and they that are sanctified are one Heb. 2. 4. 1 Thess 4. 31. He that can receive it let him For the truths sake that the simple be not turned out of the way by the false accusations reproaches and aspersions thou hast cast upon it what is before written in Answer to thee the truth doth clear and the Answer to thy ten Questions which thou charges to be deceitfull that they may witnesse for themselves against what thou hast cast upon them that all that desire to know the truth may them read The Questions and Answers are as followeth 1 Qu. Whether the writings of the Scriptures are a declaration of the Holy will and mind of God that necessarily oblige the servants of God that professe them to believe and observe whatever is revealed therein to be believed and done and whether the Scripture alone be a perfect Rule of faith and life unto all of years amongst us yea or nay Ans The Scriptures is a true declaration of the things believed amongst the Saints and a true testimony of Jesus Christ but not any doth them know neither can believe what is written therein by the outward declaration and testimony of Scripture but by the word of Faith which is in the heart and in the mouth which is the word of Faith which we Preach Rom. 10. 7 8. 2 Qu. Whether any other Revelations and Observations not to be found in the Scripture be binding to the consciences of those persons that have the benefit of the Scripture or whether such revelations or dictates within a mans heart and soul be as binding to the conscience and to be urged to a mans self or others as the Scriptures are Ans The revelations of Jesus Christ is according to Scripture which Revelations binds up the Testimony and seals the Law in the hearts of his Disciples and what dictates is in the conscience or heart of man contrary to the Law and Testimony is not to be regarded but disowned and judged with the light which comes from Christ the Saints life who guides them in a pure life and holy conversation according to Scripture Isa 8. 20. 3 Qu. Whether any thing besides the Scripture is constituted of the blessed God to reveal Christ as Redeemer and Saviour to the spirit of miserable lost man to bring man unto happinesse or whether corrupt man without the knowledge of Scripture may ordinarily attain unto salvation yea or nay Ans No man can come to the Son any other way but whom the Father draweth by the power of his unlimited Spirit and never any shall know the Father but he to whom the Son reveals him and he that thinks to attain the way to eternall life by reading the letter of the Scripture and regards not the light that comes from Christ that witnesseth for God in the secret of the heart and conscience he deceives himself for the mystery of eternall life is sealed up in the sealed Book from all the Sons and Daughters of men and none shall ever know it by the outward testimony of Scripture but by the inspiration of the Spirit of Jesus Christ the Lyon of the Tribe of Judah who is found worthy to open the seals of the Book and is the way the truth and the life to all that in his light wait his power them to guide in faithfull obedience to the righteous and perfect Law of God written in the heart for the exercise of the conscience which keeps them void of offence towards God and towards men according to testimony of Scripture Acts 24. 16. 23. 1. 4 Qu. Whether that light of conscience which is more or lesse in all since the fall be the remains or some reliques left of the first Adam in reference to the Covenant of works or whether common to all from the redemption of the second Adam as flowing from the Covenant of grace or how else I desire you would clearly expresse your thoughts in this Ans Man in the fallen estate hath not any light remains in him to guide him to doe any thing well pleasing to God as he stands in the state of corrupt nature for all his righteousnesse is as filthy rags and as a menstruous cloth the light that convinceth man and woman of the evill of their hearts and discovers the filthinesse of all their own righteousnesse is the light that comes from Christ the true light that lighteth every man that comes into the world John 1. 9. And this light is not common to man by nature it is the great gift of God his grace that hath appeared and teacheth all that are guided by it to deny all ungodlinesse and worldly lusts and to live godily and soberly in this present evill world and all that walk contrary to the light this is their condemnation the light John 3. 19. 5 Qu. Whether the end of God in giving and continuing this kind of light to all men in the world was not to be a restraint and curb to the exorbitant lusts of so corrupt a creature as man and so made subservant to God in the Government of the world in order to the peace and continuance of the same and to leave all without excuse Or what besides this the end of God was that this kind of light should be minded and improved according to the power of man by what he is from creation or universall grace or redemption in order to eternall happinesse and the not heeding this light in all men shall be the only condemnation of the world Or whether this light be the Gospel or Christ or his Spirit or whether it be a light either equall with or inferiour to or of a different kind with the Scriptures Ans The light which comes from Christ is given of God to guide the creature out of its own strength and power to Christ the mighty power and wisedome of God the creature to guide with moderation in the use of all creatures and to order and govern the creation to the praise and glory of God And this light is of the pure nature of God and leads to Christ the everlasting Gospel And this is the condemnation of the world that hates the light which comes from Christ because they believe not in him John 3. 18. 6. Qu. Whether the light of Conscience the light of Scripture the light of providence the light of grace ought not to be prest upon all
the word of faith is in the heart and in the mouth and who are guided by it their hearts are kept pure faith purifyes the heart Act. 15. 9. whether they have the outward declaration yea or nay and they that have the outward declaration and though they read it if they minde not the word which is life and light which gave forth the Scripture they do not live according to the Scripture for they are without faith who are not guided by the word faith comes not by reading the outward declaration faith is the gift of God Eph. 2. 8 given to his Children who diligently hearken to his word which is life and the life is the light of men And for thy chargeing us with contradictions confused nonsence bitter censures and shuffles and how notorious false it is wherein we say that not any doth know the Scriptures by the outward declaration Reply To the light of Christ in all Consciences we appeale let the righteous judge a naturall man knows not the things that are of God though he read the outward declaration for they are spiritually discerned 1 Cor. 2. 14. and none is found worthy to open the seales of the Book but the Lyon of the Tribe of Juda c. Rev. 5. 3. 5. and then thou denys Gods speaking to his people by voice vision or inspiration and sayest they run into madnesse that expect any such thing here thou art found in the Contradictions confused nonsence bitter censures and shuffles and notorious falshoods which thou hast falsely charged us withall and it s turned upon thy owne head and proved out of thy owne mouth that while thou art makeing a shew in words to maintain the Scripture authority thou denyes both the dispensation of the spirit of God in Christ the light and the Scriptures which beare testimony of him as is manifest in the reply to what thou hast writ in the 6. and 8. Pa. And whereas thou in the 11 Pa. calls us deceivers and saith to those thou calls thy friends we have them abused by the deceite and cheats of our owne hearts c. Reply Deceite and cheats thou art proved to be in and what thou endeavors to doe in the deceit of thy heart against the truth thou wilt see thy hope faile thee and not a blessing but a curse upon thy endeavors which to thy face is proved in what is before written to be contrary to the dispensation of the spirit and Scripture for which the terror of the Lord shall take hold on thee for thy uttering words without knowledge and speaking evill of the things thou knowest not as in the 12. Pa. And whereas thou appeals to them thou calls thy friends how their hearts have been heated and warmed by the power of the word and Sacraments c. Which is now in contempt and reproach by those that seduce you Which thou charges upon us and sayest thou hast clearly discovered our slanders shifts and shuffles and our reproaching the Ordinances and Ins●tutions of our Lord as Heathenish by compareing them to that great Image of that heathen King Dan. 3. 3. and how we deny the Scripture to be a perfect rule of knowing God beleeving in him and liveing unto him and reproach thee to be a lying slander for chargeing us with that which is an apparent truth as thou sayst thou hast proved by our lying papers and that we have reproacht they falsely and the lyes are returned upon our owne heads whilest thou sayst we witnesse our selves perfect and without sin and have entred the new Jerusalem into which none shall enter that makes a lye c. Reply Them thou calls thy friends who are in the light with all the Children of light doe witnesse that their hearts were never warmed in Sacraments no such words is found in Scripture and thou that art pleading for the authority of Scripture is with the light of Christ in all his Saints denyed and thy Sacraments which is not found in Scripture and in the light thou art clearly seen the slanders shifts and shuffles is thy owne as is manifest in the answer to the same reproach and accusations in the 2. and 3. Page of thy Book and what we witnesse is according to Scripture which we owne and in many things thou hast writ as before is manifest by thy owne words the Scripture thou denyes so on whose head the falshood remains to the Children of light is made manifest and the day will further declare it wherein Christ our King shall be exalted over all in whom our perfection and cleansing from sin is and lead us into new Jerusalem into which nothing enters that works abomination or makes a lye but who enter therein are led by the spirit of Christ in whose mouth is found no guile he that hath an ear to heare let him heare And whereas thou sayst to some of them thou calls thy friends some of you have heard W. Dewsberry say of himself that he was as perfect as that Christ hat died at Jerusalem this is witnessed by one of credit and fidelity amongst your selves I forbear his name In Dewesberry new birth he thus witnesseth of himself Reply Thy spirit in the light is seen who hath published what thou hath received from a namelesse Author and thy acusation is false which thou hast published to the world there were never any heard W. Dewesberry say of himself that he was as perfect as that Christ that died at Jerusalem and that thou calls his new birth will be a witnesse against thee There is no such word exprest by him as thou sayest this namelesse Author hath related of him In the presence of God He called W. Dewesberry doth witnesse that self is imperfect and selfe righteousnesse as a filthy ragg and a menstruous cloth c. Isa 64. 6. And he doth witnesse Christ Jesus the true light which lighteth everyone that comes into the world Joh. 1. 9. which discovers the imperfection and filthynesse of self with all its righteousnesse and his perfection is in Christ the light which he doth witnesse the same Christ and no other but he which suffered at Jerusalem who is the brightnesse of his fathers glory c. Heb. 1. 3. 13. 8. which he thou falsely accuses as before written which all the Children of light doth witnesse the Righteousnesse of God in Christ the light 2 Cor. 5. 21. which for the Simples sake the truth is witnessed forth in the presence of God which the Lord will clear from the lyes and slanders cast upon it and he shall be known what he is whom you call a proud polluted worme that dare exalt himself to a perfection equall with God which are thy owne words and what thou hast gathered up from other who falsely accuse as thou dost which words were not spoken by him thou cals a proud polluted worme who can bear thy revileings but for the truths sake that the Simple do not stumble at the way of truth doth
obedience conjoyned with them also Ans To thy 2. and 3. Question in the old Covenant the Law was written in Tables of stone which Law haveing a shadow of good things to come and not the very image of the things can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect Heb. 10. 1. And when he came who saith Lo I come to do thy will O God he taketh away the first that he may establish the second ver 9. by which will we are sanctified thorow the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all ver 10. and by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified whereof the holy Ghost is a witnesse to us as he said before this is the covenant that I will make with them saith the Lord I will put my Lawes in their hearts and in their minds will I write them ver 14 15 16. Jer. 31. 33. 4 Qu. Whether the Law in the heart without the use of Scriptures make any Evangelical discoveries of the person natures and Offices of Christ as he is Redeemer of lost man Ans Thy feigned words we wave the truth we witnesse the Law in the heart witnessed in the New Covenant Christ is known to be King of Kings and Lord of Lords 1 Tim. 6. 15. And the faithfull High Priest Heb. 2. 17. 3. 1. 4. 15. 5. 6 7. 26. 10. 2● who hath made us Kings and Priests to God and his Father c. Rev. 1. 6. 5 Qu. Whether all shall be saved that have the Law of God written in their hearts by virtue of the New Covenant or any be saved that live to years of discretion that know not Christ as the Scriptures testifie of him in order to his coming to the world to save sinners Ans All are saved who are guided by the righteous Law of the Spirit of life in Christ which sets them free from the Law of sin and death Rom. 8. 2. And what years soever any live unto they have no discretion to know Christ as the Scriptures testifie of him but they who in his light waits upon him to be guided by him for who hath not the Spirit of Christ is none of his Rom 8. 9. And for the rest of thy aspersions and revilings thou hast writ calling us deceivers that fear the Authority of man or else we would deny Christ himself Reply Christ we do not deny but him we own who respects no mans person Rom. 2. 11. and in him no fear of man is and we in him Reigns over thee and all the authority of the power of darknesse that stands in opposition to Christ the Son of God to whom every knee must bow Phil. 2. 10. the day shall declare it And in what thou hast replied to the Answer to the fourth Question which thou charges to be untrue to say That man in the fall as he stands in the state of corrupt nature hath not therein any light without Christ to doe any thing acceptable to God c. Which thou goes about to prove the contrary and saith there is the light and use of reason and understanding faculties though corrupted And further thou sayes This light of corrupt reason as before exprest presents to the conscience good and evill c. Reply In the light thou art seen to be in the corrupt Fountain from whence all these corrupt words hath come which thou hast Printed in thy Book and thy words are not true Corrupt reason of man doth not present to the conscience things good and evill a corrupt Tree cannot bring forth good fruit Mat. 7 18. There is nothing makes manifest darknesse but light Ephes 5. 15. which all men in the Fall is gone from out of the way and there is none that doth good no not one Rom. 3. 9 10 11 c. And the naturall man receives not the things that are of God nor can he know them because they are spiritually discerned 1 Cor. 12. 14. And all the righteousnesse of man in this state is as a filthy rag and a menstruous cloath Isa 64. 6. And this is the state of man in corrupt nature And the light that convinces man of this dark and corrupt estate he is in is the light of Christ that convinces the World of sin righteousnesse and judgement John 16. 8. So we that were sometimes darknesse are now light in the Lord Ephes 5. 8. And who walk in the light there is no occasion of stumbling 1 John 2. 10. And whereas thou sayest Thou knowes we will lye as thou hast made it manifest Reply It is not so thou hath not made yet manifest any lye that we have spoken by any truth thou hath declared And thou goes on as in thy 89 Page thou sayes The rational soul of man corrupted is called the candle of the Lord which we invent to be Christ which is false we deny that the corrupt soul of man is the candle of the Lord or Christ And further thou sayes It was thy intended work to goe thorow all the Answers to the ten Questions but for want of thy paper which thou sa●es we detained from thee contrary to our Promise In which thou says not true for the promise was to thee thou should have a coppy of thy paper which thou sent to us when it was ready for thee which was not then written neither was any time set down of thy haveing it and as way was made a coppy according to our promise came to thy hands And in the close of thy Book thou goes on as thou begun saying we deny Scriptures as to the end they were intended and reproach the Ordinances of the Lord Jesus which the Scriptures teach under the notion of heathenish worships c. which is answered to in the truth declared a witnesse to stand against all the reproaches that thou hast cast upon the truth of the liveing God and the God thou art pleading for cannot crown thee with honour in the day wherein the liveing God will exalt his son and clear the innocency of his people then shall the God whose worship thou art defending be confounded and confusion and shame shall stop thy mouth and if this come not to passe as declared then say the Lord hath not spoken by me And in that thou calls thy Post-script in the end of thy Book the things therein thou falsely accuses us with and calls them the Rocks which we are to manifest how we shall escape which is clearly made manifest in what is written in answer to thy Book Only this where thou sayes we make no difference between the visible professing Church and the Pagan world all may be saved alike if they will c. Reply They that make a visible Profession of Christ and deny to walk in the light of his Spirit are of the world that lies in wickednesse 1 John 5. 19. Mat. 7. 21. as well as them thou calls the Pagan world and