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A90899 Saving faith set forth in three dialogues or Conferences: 1 2 3 between Christ and a publican. Pharisee. Doubting beleever. Whereunto is added tvvo sermons one of them preached before the Parliament the other before the Lord Mayor of the City of London. By Vavasor Powell, minister of the Gospell. Powell, Vavasor, 1617-1670. 1651 (1651) Wing P3092; Thomason E1332_3; ESTC R209110 22,480 73

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many thousand times more uxworthy am I a wretched and wicked sinner Ch It is true neither they nor thou As the Prodigalls Father did his son Lu. 15.21 22. could be worthy of your selves but yet I am willing to account you worthy Luk. 20.35 and 21.36 Rev. 3.4 Bel. But Lord if there were any thing that were good in me it might a little incourage me to come unto thee but I find nothing but evill in me Ch Dost thou not know that without me thou canst (e) Ioh 15.5 doe nothing and that a man can (f) Joh 3.27 receive nothing except it bee given him from heaven Why then dost thou stay away from me who must (g) Esa 26.12.2 12. worke all thy workes in thee And 2. Because thou seest nothing but evill in thee thou shouldst the rather come unto me who am the (h) Zac. 13.1 Fountaine wherein thy unclean soule must be washed and unlesse I (i) Eze. 36.25 1.9 wash thee thou canst not bee cleane nor have any (k) Joh. 13.8 part in me Bel True Lord thou art the Fountaine and wel-spring of life and it is thy blood and nothing else that can wash away my sins but how can I come near to thee who am so wicked that for ought I know have counted thy blood an (l) Heb. 10.29 unholy thing Ch Thou poor Ac. 2.36.41 dear and doubting soule what if thou hadst had a hand in crucifying mee as the Jewes had yet cannot I forgive thee as I did many of them But thou hast not accounted my blood an unholy thing for thou still desirest to have thy sins washed away by it Bel What the Iewes did they did ignorantly but I have sinned against knowledge which makes my sins worse then theirs Ch If thou hast finned against knowledge yet thou hast not sinned so but that thou maist be forgiven For my deare Disciple Peter sinned against knowledge when hee denied with an oath that hee knew me not Mat. 26.72 Bel. Oh but yet my sinnes are worse then his for his sin was but one sin and that a suddaine and short sin but I have sinned many sinnes and continued long in them Ch So did my beloved servant David who was a man according to my owne heart commit severall sinnes together as Murther Whoredome c. and continued a while too in his sinnes Bel. Oh but Lord those servants of thine though they sinned against thee yet they expressed a great deale of sence of their sins and sorrow for them but I can neither be sensible of nor sorrowfull for mine Ch Oh sweet soule thou mistakest and forgettest thy selfe for thou dost often confesse thy sinnes before me with sence shame and sorrow And I hear thee daily bemoaning and complaining and saying I have (n) Iob 7.20 Psal 51.4 Lam. 5.16 sinned against the Lord woe is me for I am undone Bel Oh good Lord it is not without cause that I cry wo is me I am undone for I thinke there is no soule in such a dangerous and desperate condition as mine is in Ch Why doest thou thinke and say so Bel. Because I have sinned that unpardonable sin against thy spirit Ch Oh thou poor and precious soule thou dost but thinke so and feare so But tell mee how canst thou sin that sin against my Spirit and yet pray for more of my Spirit and so much prize my Spirit as thou dost Bel Oh Lord I have often grieved and quenched thy Spirit and is not this to commit that unpardonable sin Ch My owne deare and loving children may and doe sometimes grieve my spirit by sinning and quench the gracious motions of it and yet doe not sin that unpardonable sinne Eph. 4.30 1 Thes 5.19 Esay 63.10 Bel Oh but I can thinke no lesse but that I have committed that sin for I have had hard cruell and desperate thoughts in my heart against the Holy Spirit Ch Though my childe thou hast had such thoughts in thy heart yet thou hast not spoken evill of my Spirit as the Jewes did which is the sin of blasphemy and that unpardonable sinne Mat. 12.24 28 31. Mark 3.22 to 30. Bel Lord I am not sure but that I have spoken evill words of thy spirit for I know I have many times uttered vile bitter and cursed words Ch Notwithstanding thou didest through the violence of thy temptations and in the bitternesse of thy Soule speake such words as my servants Job Iob 3.1 to 13 10 18 23.15 16. Ps 31.22 116.11 Ier 20.14 c. Ionah 4.3 4 9. Mat. 26 72 74 David Jeremy Jonah and Peter did yet thou hast not done despight nor sinned maliciously and willfully against my Spirit of grace as Reprobates doe Heb. 10.29 Bel. Oh I have been and still am very wilfull and have often sinned wilfully and thou sayest in thy word that if any sinne wilfully after they receive the knowledge of the truth there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins Heb. 10.26 Ch Thou deare soule have not I heard thee often in prayer complaining of and bewailing thy sins and beging earnestly for power against them therefore it is rather against thy will then wilfully that thou dost sinne Bel. Oh but I finde sinnes in power in my soule which if I were a Saint they would not be so Ch My servant Paul found sinne so strong in him that he confessed he was carnall and sold under sin and that he found a law in his members Sin was in power in Paul when it could carry him captive warring against the law of his minde and bringing him into captivity to the law of sinne Rom. 14.23 Bel. Oh but neither Paul nor any other Saint hath sinned presumptuously as I have done Ch. My servant David prayed that hee might bee kept from presumptuous sins for he was subject thereunto Psa 19.13 It is probable that David sined presumptuously in killing Vriah and so are the best of my Saints Bel. But Lord I have rebelled against thee Ch So did my servants of * Is 1.2 63.20 old but I have received * Ps 68.18 gifts for the Rebillious and to me belongs mercies and forgivenesse though thou hast rebelled against me Dan. 9.9 Bel Oh but my Rebellion is the worst Rebellion of all for I have rebelled against the light I have professed thee and yet I have belyed thee and made an hypocriticall profession I seemed like Judas to be thy friend whilst in my heart I did not love thee Ch The house of Israel and the house of Judah dealt treacherously against me the Lord and belied me and Ephraim my deare sonne compassed me about with lies yet was I gracious to them Jer. 5.11.12 Hos 11.12 with Jer. 23.6 and 31.20 Bel. But Lord Ephraim was never so wicked as I am and guilty of such Lukewarmnesse Hypocrisie and Backesliding as I am guilty of Ch Yea Ephraim was as a cake not turned And Ephraim fed
in loving kindnesse and mercy B. But Lord I have not only sin'd against thy mercies but against thy corrections and chastisements also C. So did my people Israel formerly doe Esa 57.17 18. for when I smote them they went on frowardly in the way of their evill heart but I lead them and restor'd comforts to them B. I bui my condition is worse the n all that for I have been long unde r the means of grace and yet I am altogether fruitlesse and like the barren Fig-tree C Thou troubled soule in me is thy fruit found Joh. 15.5 Psal 92.12 13 14. and I will purge thee and thou shalt bring forth fruit abundantly for they that are planted in my house shall flourish and be fat and like a green Olive Tree B. I Lord its true if J were a branch in thee and a true member of thy house then I could beleeve these promises of thine alas I am neither of both but separated from thee and thy people C. Do not say that thou art none of mine for I have bought thee with my blond and do not speak that thou art separated from my people Esa 56.3.5 for I will give thee in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better then the name of Sons and Daughters B. Sure if I were not an out-cast and a Reprobate I should not be thus as I am in a wildernesse condition C Israel was accounted an out-cast and she cried out Jer. 30.16.17 22. yet I was then a God to her and she a people to me B. Oh if I were but one of thine I should then count my selfe the happiest in all the world C. Feare not my Spouse for I am thy Husband and thy Father B. If I were one of thy Children thou wouldst not hide thy selfe from me as thou dost C. I have hid my selfe and my face from some of my Prophets and people of old and yet it was in love to them and so it is to thee Psal 88.14 Esa 8.17 64.7 B. But thou hast hid thy selfe from me and thou seemest also to be angry with me Esa 54.5 Jer. 31.9 C. Fury is not in me towards thee and though I be angry yet my anger is but for a moment Esa 27.4 54.8 B. Yet Lord thou hast been angry with me a long time for thou hast for gotten me C. Zion did say so the Lord hath forsaken me and my Lord hath forgotten me yet I had not forgot her for she was graven upon the palmes of my hands Esa 49.14 15. Ier. 51.5 B. But Lord if thou had'st not forgotten me thou would'st never have left me in such a wildernesse and barren condition as I am in C. I have allured thee into the wildernesse that I might speak comfortably unto thee Hos 2.14 B. I have been may years in trouble and terrours and wanting peace in my soule which could not possibly have been if I had truly beleeved in thee C. But now will I speak peace unto thee and I will guide thee into the way of peace Psal 85.8 Luk. 1.79 B. How Lord wilt thou speak peace unto me i. e. The Prea chers Lips that preacht peace and guide me into the way of peace C. I will create the fruit of the lips Peace Peace and my spirit shall be in thee and his fruit shall be peace to thy soule Esa 57 19. 55.12 B. But Lord thy word saith there is no peace to the wicked C. No not to a man that will persist in his wicked way and doth not nor will not beleeve in me but thou art one of those that I bore the chastizement of thy peace and one of the Children of peace Esa 53.5 54.13 B. But Lord how can I have peace seeing a man cannot have peace before and without he does beleeve C. Thou shalt have faith and peace and I will give peace through beleeving 2. Thes 3.16.6 B. But Lord then J must know that I am one of thine C. Thou shalt know that I am the Lord thy God and that thou art one of my people Ezek. 34.30 B. Oh how shall I know that C. My spirit shall beare witnesse with thy spirit that thou art my Child Rom. 8.16 B. But how shall I know that it is thy spirit that beareth this witnesse and that it is not the spirit of delusion C. Thou maist know that by its power in working in thy heart which no other spirit can work alike as also by the earnest and fruits there of 2 Cor. 5.5 7.22 Gal. 5.22 23. B. Lord what else shall I beleeve besides being one of thine C. Dost thou beleeve that B. Yes Lord J do beleeve that thou art Iesus the Son of God and the Saviour of the world Act. 8 37. Joh. 6.69 11.27 C. But dost thou beleeve that I am thy Saviour B. Lord I do beleeve that there is no other way to be saved but only by thee Act. 4.12 C. But dost thou beleeve that thou shalt be saved by me B. Lord I do beleeve help my unbeliefe Mark 9.24 C. To thee it is given to beleeve Phil. 1.29 B. Now Lord I doe beleeve C. What dost thou now beleeve B. I beleeve that thou loved'st me and did'st give thy selfe for me and that thou art my Lord and my God and that I am justified and shall be saved by grace Gal. 2.20 Joh. 20.28 Act. 15.11 C. How cam'st thou tobeleeve this B. Lord it is by thy gift and work that J do beleeve it Eph. 2.8 Heb 12.2 C. Well now thou dost beleeve what wilt thou do B. Lord what wilt thou have me to do Act. 9.6 C. If thou love me keep my words Ioh. 14.23 B. What are those words of thine C. Search the Scriptures for they are able to make thee perfect and wise unto salvation and to furnish thee for every good work Ioh. 5.39.2 Tim. 3.16.17 B. But Lord how shall I understand thy word C. I will make known my words unto thee Pro. 1.23 B. But Lord is there no danger of my departing and falling away from thee now I do beleeve C. No the Mountaines shall depart and the Hills be removed but my loving kindnesse shall not depart from thee Esa 54.10 Ier. 32.40 B. Lord I will keep thy precepts with my whole heart Psal 119 69. C. I have redeemed thee that thou should'st serve me without feare in Holinesse and Righteousnesse all the dayes of thy life Luk. 1.69 B. Come ye Children and I will declare what my Lord hath don for my soule My SOVLE shall make her boasts of the LORD the humble shall be are this and be glad and magnifie the LORD with me and let us Exalt his Name together Psal 34.11.2 3. FINIS
upon winde and provoked mee to anger most bitterly yet my bowells did still worke toward Ephraim that I could not destroy him Hos 8.8 and 12.1.14 with 11.8 Bel But I increased in sin and the more mercies I received the more my heart was exalted Ch Even so did Ephraim sin more and more and according as hee was filled so his heart was exalted Hos 13.2 6. Bel But Lord what didst thou do to Ephraim Ch I drew them with the cords of a man and with bands of love and I was as the dew unto them Heb. 11.4 and 14.5 Bel Oh but I have forsaken the Lord and backeslided from thee Ch So did Israel and Judah Jer. 2.13 and 3.6 and 4.16 Bel But Lord I find that my heart is bent to continuall backesliding yea my backeslidings are encreased Ch So were * Hos 11.7 Ier. 5.6 they yet I healed their backslidings so will I heale thine also Hos 14.4 Jer. 3.14.22 Bel But I fell into grosse sinnes that hath dishonoured thee and caused thine enemies to blaspheme Ch So did my servant David 2 Sam. 12.14 and other of my Saints Bel I but then he did mourne and repent greatly for his sins but I cannot do so for I find my heart as hard as an Adamant Ch So my people Israels hearts formerly were as hard as a Rocke Adamant and Flint Jer. 5.3 Ezek. 3.9 Bel Oh but I have been long yea ever troubled with this hardnesse of heart Ch Though thou hast yet I wil take the stony heart out of thy flesh and I wil give thee a heart of flesh Eze. 36.26 Bel But I cannot repent mee of the hardnesse of my heart Ch What though yet I am exalted to give repentance unto thee Act. 5.31 Bel Oh but I doe not find that I am sensible enough of my sin for if I were I should mourne and be ashamed for all the wickednesse which I have committed against thee Ch When thou doest see mee whom thou hast pierced and when thou seest that I am pacified towards thee then thou shalt mourn loath thy selfe and bee ashamed for all thy sinnes and abominations which thou hast committed against me Rev. 1.7 Ezek. 6.9 16.63 B. But Lord I am a very great sinner and I would faine see the nature and number of my sins that I might truly repent me of them and be humbled for them C. If thou didst se all thy sins with their nature number and aggravations thou couldst never look upon them Gen. 4.13 Mar. 27.3 4 5. but with despaire as Cain and Iudas And it is not so much the sight of sin as the sight of my Love Grace Goodnesse and Glory that will lead thee to repentance and humble thee for thy sins Luk. 7.42.47 Zach. 12 10. Rom. 2.4 Esa 6.5 B. Oh Lord I know I am as wicked a sinner and as ungodly a wretch as ever lived but though I know this yet methinks I am not broken with the sence thereof I cannot weep nor shed tears for my sins Oh no! I go many times to prayer and to heare Sermons and there is no more working nor relenting upon my soule then if J were a dead stock or stone C. Oh my deare soule do not thou belye thy selfe for I have heard many a sorrowfull sigh comming from thy heart and I have seene many a teare drop from thine Eyes Ezek. 9.4 Psal 34.17 Zack 12.11 Heb. 5.7 and I will yet poure out more of the Spirit of mourning upon thee But what if thou didst not finde these things in thy selfe yet I have offered up strong cries and teares unto my Father for thee B. Oh Lord that I had but faith to beleeve that for my selfe C. Have faith in me and be not faithlesse but beleeving Mar. 11.22 Ioh. 20.27 B. Lord I find so much Atheisme and unbeliefe in my heart that I have often times questionings in my selfe concerning God and concerning the Scriptures and word of God C. These are the temptations and suggestions of Satan and my own Disciples were and are troubled with them Luk. 24.25 B. Oh Lord J am troubled with a thousand temptations Yet feare not my loving and deare Child for though thou hast divers temptations Jam. 1.2 1 Cor. 10.13 Heb. 2.18 2 Pet. 2.9 yet it is that which my best Saints have had and I will not suffer thee th be tempted above what thou art able but I will succour thee in thy temptations and I will make away that thou shalt escape and be deliver out of temptation B. But I think that no Saint hath such temptations as mine for sometimes I am tempted to kill my selfe and sometimes to kill others insomuch that J cannot look upon any weapon waters or the like but I am ready to do my selfe away therewith C. Satan tempted me to cast my selfe of the Pinacle of the Temple and he also tempted many of my deare Children to destroy themselves but do not thou hearken to the Accuser for he doth accuse thee to me and me to thee but rather say unto him Mar. 4.5 Rev. 12.10 Job 12.31 Satan it is written my Lord Jesus hath overcome thee and I hope through his bloud and through his might and spirit to overcome thee likewise say also my God hath commanded me not to kill another Exod. 20.13 Act. 16.28 Job 13.15 nor to doe hurt or violence to my selfe therefore get thee behind me thou lier murtherer and Enemy for I will put my trust in Christ though he kill me and I will endeavour to live to serve him though he should afterwards damne me B. Though I do sometimes resolve against Satans temptations and labour to resist them yet I find my temptations are renewed and I am not able to withstand them for they come in as a floud upon me C. I that say unto the proud waves hitherto shalt thou come but no further I will by my spirit put the Enemy Satan to flight when he comes in like a floud against thee Job 38.11 Se Esa 59.19 marg B. But Lord I find I am not only troubled with feare and sad temptations but also with strong and powerfull corruptions C. I will subdue all thy iniquities and thy sins shall not have dominion ouer thee Mich. 7.19 Rom. 6.14 B. Oh but this doth much trouble me that I do not find any love in my heart to thee Deut. 30.6 1 Joh. 4.19 C. What though thou dost not yet I will circumcise thy heart and thou shalt love me and when thou apprehendest my love to thee thou wilt love me againe B. I have sinned Lord against thy mercies and abased thy love yea loved my sins more then thee therefore I cannot think that ever thou wilt look upon me with any love or delight C. So did my servant David 2 Sam. 12.8 9. Hos 2.5 14.4 2.9 and my people Jsrael doe yet as I loved them so will I love thee freely and betroth thee to me