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A93576	The hidden things of Esau brought to light, and reproved in an answer to a book intituled A true relation of a dispute between Francis Fulwood, minister of West Alvington, in the county of Devon, and Thomas Salthouse, as it is said, of the county of Westmerland, before the congregation of them called Quakers, in the house of Henry Pollexpher Esquire, in the said parish of West. Published in the truth's defence, and sent abroad in the world, to pursue the unknown authors imperfect relation. By a follower of the Lamb in the war against the Beast and false prophet, known to the world by the name of Thomas Salthouse.	Salthouse, Thomas, 1630-1691.	1657 (1657)	Wing S473; Thomason E912_4; ESTC R204852	26,539	40

and upon his right eye ●ch 11.7 his right arm shall be quite dryed up and his right eye shall be utterly darkned for the Lord is arising in his glorious Majesty to shake terribly the Earth and to bring down the mighty from their seats and to exalt that of low degree The time is come that iniquity shall have an end the Crown shall be removed and the Diadem taken away the thrones of iniquity shall be cast down that the antient of days may sit to whom all judgement is committed the government must be upon his shoulders that he alone may rule and reign even the Captain of our Salvation and Prince of our Peace who is King of Kings and Lord of Lords God over all blessed for ever The flying Angel is gone forth with the Everlasting Gospel ●ev 14. to preach unto all Kinreds Tongues and Languages of the Nations and unto you hath the Call reached that long hath groaned under the dominion and oppression of the Prince of the air the hour cometh and now is in the which the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God and he that heareth shall live Arise and shine for you light is come you that long have slept in the dust of the earth accept of deliverance Come forth of the prison houses shew your selves salvation and strength is come the Kingdom of our God and the power of his Christ the knowledge of the glory of God is arising that shall cover the face of the Earth as the waters cover the Sea Seek not ye the living among the dead for in vain is salvation hoped for or expected from the Mountains or from the Hills it is laid upon him that is mighty even able to save to the uttermost all those that come to the Father by him Therefore cease from man whose breath is in his nostrils and heap not up unto your selves Teachers believe not every spirit but try the spirits for many false Prophets are gone forth into the world in these last days and perilous times But God who at sundry times and divers manners spake to the Fathers by his servants the true Prophets hath in these last days spoken by his Son whom he hath appointed to be heir of all things by whom also he made the world whose day Abraham saw and rejoyced of whom he hath said Let all the Angels of God worship him And if the word spoken by Angels was stedfast and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward how can ye escape who neglect this great salvation O that you knew in this your day the things that belong unto your peace which so long have been hid from your eyes A Prophet hath God raised up unto you like unto Moses and Pastors hath he sent forth according to his own heart rising up early and sitting down late saying Turn ye turn ye why will you die He that hath an ear let him hear this is the day of Zions deliverance the Lord is gathering in the out-casts of Israel and the dispersed from among the Gentiles and out of the heaps of rubbish is he raising up living stones to build unto himself a Spiritual house and other Foundations can no man lay then that which is already laid Jesus Christ the Rock of Ages the same yesterday to day and for ever who is now come a light into the world and whosoever believeth on him shall never be ashamed This is our God we have waited for him who by his own arm hath brought Salvation and plenteous Redemption who came and preached peace to us that sometimes were afar off and hath shined into our hearts by the light of the glorious Gospel and hath made us nigh by the blood of the Everlasting Covenant To whom be glory and honor throughout all ages world without end Amen Tho. Salthouse IF Ja. Godfreys Queries to Geo. Pitt which is added to this Relation had been all answered then F. F. might have expected an answer to his Counter-queries but I shall leave them to him to whom they were directed That if he see any thing worth an answer he may write to it if he be free And seeing they are of so little weight arising onely from a busie minde 1 Tim. 6. I shall take the counsel of such a one as Paul the aged in this particular to shun prophane and vain bablings which genders strife and tends to more ungodliness not doting about questions and strife of words whereof cometh envies evil furmising and perverse disputing with men of corrupt mindes reprobate concerning the Faith and destitute of the truth who do suppose that gain is godliness But to me it is no advantage to fight with Beasts if the dead do not rise neither would I be found as one beating the air or boasting in another mans line or answering a fool in his folly But if any ask a reason of the hope that is in me I am and shall be ready with meekness and fear to give an answer as God gives a mouth and wisdom whose counsel and direction I still wait for And so unto him in weldoing I commit the keeping of my soul as unto a faithful Creator Tho. Salthouse FINIS

least we say peace peace when sudden destruction cometh Answ Let him that nameth the name of the Lord depart from iniquity for none calls Jesus Lord but by the Holy Ghost What have you to do to take his name into your mouths and thus bend your tongues for lies and hate to be reformed upon you that are asleep will the day of the Lord come as a theif in the night even as sudden destruction from the Almighty Therefore arise and be awakened and prepare to meet the Lord by repentance that if peradventure the thoughts of your hearts may be forgiven you For the Lord hath appointed a day in the which he will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ and with equity will he plead the cause of the innocent against whom you make war and shoot your arrows in secret fear and tremble weep and howl for the misery that is coming upon you in flames of fire will God render vengeance upon his adversaries out of Heaven will he thunder upon them and they shall be even broken to peeces as the Vessel of a Potter is broken with a rod of Iron In vain do ye pot-sheards of the Earth strive to set Bryers and Thorns in battle your formed weapons cannot prosper a consumption is even determined upon the whole Earth and every mans work is to be tried by fire that the approved of God may be made manifest Can ye contend with the Almighty before whom all Nations are as the drop of a Bucket or as the small dust of the ballance Give over stop your mouths let all flesh be silent before the Lord. Come down and sit in the dust you that are high and lifted up and meet the Judge by the way Kiss the Son least he be angry and lay down your Crown at the feet of the Lamb and let the Lord be your fear and let him be your dreads and let the light of Christ in your consciences try your words and works and cease from your blinde Leaders that have used their tongues and not profited the people And while you have the light believe in the light and know while the Spirit of the Lord strives with you resist not his power lest your Bonds be made strong and you for ever shut up in utter darkness A price is put into your hands the Lord will not the death of a sinner the times of ignorance God winked at but now he calls all men every where to repent Call not this the railing discourse but take it as a Call to you and a warning from the Lord by a servant of the Truth made willing by the power of God to follow the Lamb wheresoever he goeth Thomas Salthouse Francis Fulwood TO the substance of what passed between thee and me in the discourse upon the Four and twentieth day of the Eight Moneth 1656. in the house of Henry Pollexphen which its like thou wast not unacquainted with the Printing of if no the cheifest actor I shall return something in Answer for the Truth 's vindication especially to the particulars of most concernment which I call to minde since I saw this Relation As first After I had spoken to the people that day as I was moved and directed by the Spirit of Truth then a Friend of mine being moved also stood up according to the order in the Churches of the Saints and spoke to the people then present to whom I gave liberty the spirits of the Prophets being made subject to the Prophets And as thou mayest remember thy first Objection was against her for saying Eternal life was not to be found in the Scriptures The second thing was a Quere by me propounded to thee which I yet received no satisfactory Answer unto from thee The third thing was an Objection made by thee against me for expressing as I was declaring to the people That those who are out of the Doctrine of Christ as they were then described by their fruirs and marks were such as Preach another Gospel then that which the Apostle had preached and so under the curse as it is written Gal 1. The fourth thing was about the light spoken of in Johns Declaration and something concerning Tithes Fifthly Concerning Baptism and the words thee and thou which many are offended at as they are and were given and taken by the servants of God one to another as we read in the Scriptures of Truth To these things in order as God doth direct I shall for the truths sake answer and as for the other passages in the Relation not worth the taking notice of or repeating over again I shall let them stand and wither as an untimely birth begotten by one of the adulterate generation and brought forth of the womb of consusion I might have written down a gross sum of lies but it feems the Authors were pricked at the heart when they saw what they had done and so to hide themselves have concealed their names from the visible eye of man But this Cave of earthly subtilty will not long hide them from the All-seeing eye of him with whom we have to do If thou be one of their confederacy fear and tremble before the Lord and come forth to the Light that thou mayst be proved and tried and be not thou called of men Master but learn of Jesus Christ to be meek and lowly take up his Cross and follow him and side not longer with the Chief Priests against him and his Ministers whom he hath sent forth as sheep among wolves to reprove sin in the Gates and to preach Repentance that people may be turned from the darkness to the light and from under Satans power unto God who hath appointed a day in the which he will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my Gospel To the first of these particulars I shall proceed Thy first Objection which the Book also mentions against the Woman is as follows Fulwood I Have one word first unto this woman that spake last and that is to charge her with speaking expresly against the Scripture She told us that Eternal life was not to be found in the Scriptures whereas the Apostle saith expresly that the holy Scriptures are able to make wise unto salvation Answ The Scripture is plain for what she intended John 5. Search the Scriptures for in them ye think to have eternal life and they are they that testifie of me saith Christ But ye will not come unto me that you may have life And again he saith I am the Way the Truth and the Life and he that hath the Son hath life and he that hath not the Son hath not life although he may have the Scriptures 2 Cor. 4.10 For the Minister of Christ waited for and witnessed the life of Christ manifested in his mortal Body and travailed again in birth with others till Christ the Life was formed in them I in them and they in me saith Christ John 17. And Christ in you the Hope

of glory the Mystery that hath been hid from ages and generations and this is Life eternal saith Christ to his Father that they may know thee the onely true God and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent For that which may be known of God is manifest in them and this is plain That eternal life is not to be found in the Scriptures although it is acknowledged they testifie of these things Here is no mention made That eternal life is to be found in the Scriptures and thus thy Objection is answered Fulw. True but this Son in whom eternal life is is alone to be found in Scriptures as the next words affirm They are they which testifie of me therefore eternal life is to be found in the Scriptures And thus your own Text overthrows you Ans Be not hasty but look back to thy confused stuff wherin doth the Text overthrow me for what the Scripture saith own but neither by this Text nor any other Canst thou ever prove that eternal life is to be found in the Scriptures or the Son whom to know is eternal life therefore let thy mouth be stopped and proceed no farther to pervert the right ways of God nor to wrest the Scriptures to thy own destruction for they are of no private interpretation although many who have them think to finde eternal life in them both thou and they are deceived that seek the living among the dead for the letter killeth 2 Cor. 3.6 but the spirit alone giveth life He that hath understanding let him read The Scripture being thus plain against thy Objection thy next shift was this The Apostle saith expresly That the Scriptures are able to make wise unto salvation But this was not to the thing in hand for the Scriptures I own and witness to be profitable for Doctrine and Reproof and to furnish the Man of God perfectly and through Faith which is alone in Jesus Christ are they able to make wise unto salvation and without Faith its impossible to please God And the company seeing the Objection answered said Leave this here is an end of it And my Quere to thee was as follows Whether is it lawful for a Minister of Christ to take Tithe● hire gifts or rewards for preaching the Gospel in these days since the Law and the Priesthood was changed yea or nay Fulw. You think you have put a Question that will gravel me have but a little patience and this will have its place I demand of you Whether the Scripture in the express Letter of it shall be our rule or whether we may draw consequences from it Answ I deny thy consequences and meanings and private interpretations answer thou my Quere by plain Scripture Fulw. He may be a lawful Minister that takes hire prove the contrary if you can Answ This is no answer to my Quere yet I shall prove the contrary by Scriptures The Prophets prophesie falsly and the Priests te●ch for hire and by their means they bear rule and my people love to have it so saith the Lord. This was a wonderful horrible thing that was then committed in the Land and not lawful And for this cause saith the Lord shall Zion be ploughed as a field and Jerusalem shall become heaps and the mountain of the house as the high places of the forest They run but I never sent them saith the Lord therefore they shall not profit this people at all night shall be unto them that they shall not have a vision and the day shall be dark over them Micah 3. then shall the Seers be ashamed and the Diviners confounded they shall all cover their lips for there is no answer of God they have fed themselves with the fat and cloathed themselves with the wool and my people are destroyed for want of knowledge as troups of robbers wait for a man even so the company of Priests murder in the way by consent Put into their mouths and they cry peace peace Put not into their mouths and they bite with their teeth and even prepare war against them This is not the lawful Ministry for the wo is gone forth against the men that do this both the Master and the Schollar and he that helpeth and he that is holpen shall fall together Therefore all people every where come out from among them and be ye separated hold them not up nor be partakers with them in their sins that so you may escape the misery that is coming upon those blind guides that have forsaken the way of the true Prophets Christ and his Ministers who called all men to come freely without money and without price and abode in the truth and gave freely as they had freely received a necessity being laid upon them to preach the Gospel freely and to make it without charge Is this thy practise 1 Cor. 9. or dost not thou preach for hire Fulw. If I do I have Scripture for it and you cannot say I preach for hire unless you could see my heart and besides my preaching twice every Lords day which is all I am bound by man unto I Catechise I Expound upon some part of Scriture I desire particular Conference in order to the Sacrament I visit the sick I preach my turn at some Lectures and this day I am here doing more then I am bound to do or can expect any reward from man for ye all know I might have been quiet in my Study at home but for love to the Souls of my poor people that if possibly I might save them out of the hands of such Deceivers and Seducers Answ Here thou art upon thy Self-justification yet art thou not clear from being an hiteling for thou hast acknowledged thy self to be bound by man and also thou acknowledgest thou hadst a competent maintenance in lieu of Preaching What command or example hast thou for these things and what Scripture hast thou for the Word Sacrament or Catechising or to premeditate aforehand and when had any of the Ministers of Christ Studies as thou saist thou mightiest have been quiet in thy Study at home Thou art out of the steps of the true Ministers of Christ expounding and giving meanings to the Scriptures adding and diminishing interpreting and wresting the Scriptures And therefore thy Gospel is easily proved to be another then theirs was and if thou call us Deceivers or Seducers prove it by Scripture That we are such as draw from the anointing within unto outward observations for such are Seducers and he is a Deceiver that transgresseth and abideth not in the Doctrine of Christ and steals the Word from his neighbor that useth his tongue and saith Thus saith the Lord when the Lord never sent him among whom thou art found although thou lean upon the Lord and with the Pharisee justifie thy self for Preaching many Lectures and visiting the sick thy long Prayers and thy Lecture Preaching is but the divination of thy own brain and thy Service and Sacrifices is no more

and the glory of the Lord is risen and arising and shall cover the face of the earth as the waters cover the Sea And now the sinners in Zion begin to tremble and fearfulness surprises the Hypocrites the voice of Babylons merchants is heard with a loud cry Rev. 18. Alas alas for none will buy our merchandise any longer Come say they let us smite with the tongue the hope of our gain is gone you know that by this craft we have got our wealth and if these mens doctrine be received not onely our craft is endangered but our Church and Ordinances which all the world worships in will be denied and our Tithes Augmentations Gifts and Rewards for Preaching will be taken away Report and we will report it let us call them Deceivers and Seducers for none dare contradict us When we are in the Pulpits the Law of the Land is our protection and by it we have liberty to imprison them if they disturb or interrupt us And thus you Parish-Teachers shelter your selves for a season but your covering is too narrow and your bed will be found shorter then a man can stretch himself upon it Your wickedness is manifest and reproved by the light and by a foolish people are you provoked to jealousie whom God hath chosen to confound the wisdom of the wise glory to his Name for ever who hath put an end to the first Covenant that made not the comers thereunto perfect as pertaining to the conscience and hath disannulled the Commandment going before by reason of the weakness and unprofitableness of it This is our God we have waited for him he alone is our Judge King and Law-giver to whom our soul is subject for he ever liveth and hath an unchangable Priesthood even him who is able to save to the uttermost all that come to God by him Which we now witness and deny and declare against the changable Priesthood that took Tithes and denied Christ to be come in the flesh Fulw. Tithes are lawful because not forbidden yea they seem to be encouraged by Christ himself ye Tithe Mint c. And ye do well therefore we do not ill to take them Answ Read thy portion among them to whom Christ spoke and if thou do well mayst thou not be accepted Wo unto you Scribes Pharisees Hypocrites for ye pay Tithe of Mint Mat. 23. Annise and Cummin and have omitted the weightier matters of the Law Judgment Mercy and Faith These you ought to have done and not to leave the other undone But he did not say You did well in so doing but called them fools and bl●nde And so may I truly call him who saith this is an encouragement to takes Tithes If thou or any of thy Brethren take them on this account for shame never profess your selves to be Ministers of the Gospel for Christ gave no command or encouragement to the Twelve Seventy or to any of his Disciples to take Tithes And besides those to whom Christ then spake did not believe in him nor confess him to be the end of the first Covenant in which Tithes was commanded and due to be paid to the Levitical Priesthood which were many Priests because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death But this man hath an unchangable Priesthood for he ever liveth to make intercession for his and is able to save to the uttermost all them that come to the Father by him who is made a Priest for ever not by the Law of a carnal command but by the power of an endless life and of the things which are spoken Heb. 8.1 both concerning Melchisedec and the Levitical Priesthood in that Declaration to the Hebrews This is the sum and substance Jesus Christ who is set on the right hand of the Throne of the Majestie in the Heavens a Minister of the Sanctuary and of the true Tabernacle which God hath pitched and not man For finding fault with the first Covenant Behold the days come saith the Lord that I will make with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a new Covenant not according to the old which Covenant they brake Even this is the Covenant that I will make with the house of Israel After those days saith the Lord I will put my Law in their mindes and write them in their hearts I will be unto them a God and they shall be my people And thus the Law and Priesthood being changed as is clear by Scripture neither thou nor thy Brethren have any right to take Tithes either by the Law of God or example of Christs Ministers nor no encouragement from his words nor from that of Abraham who freely gave Tithes to Melchisedec out of the spoils who blessed him when he returned from the Conquest but ye receive the tenth not of the spoils onely but out of poor mens labors and of them who receive no blessing from you and for whom you do no work In the time of the Law there were indeed many Priests and the Priests lips were to preserve the knowledge of the people and then they ought to have brought their Tithes into the storehouse And these Priests had a necessity daily to offer Sacrifice first for their own sin and then for the peoples But Christ being come the Everlasting High Priest of good things to come by a greater and a more perfect Tabernacle not made with hands as the figures and shadows of these good things was He hath obtained a more excellent Ministry in as much as he is the Mediator of a better Covenant established upon better promises And so the Priesthood being changed Heb. 7.12 there is made of necessity a change of the Law Fulw. I have two things to defend our taking of Tithes against his Verse one of which I am sure will hold The first is That we claim not Tithes by the Law of God as it were commanded there but by the Law of the Land whereby we have as clear a title to our Tithes as that Gentleman hath to his Estate The second thing that I have to say is That you cannot prove by this Text that the onely Law for Tithes in the Word of God is abolished Answ Even upon this ground hath thy generation whose hearts are exercised with coveteous practises in all ages caused the Saints and Servants of God of whom the world was not worthy to suffer Some the spoiling of their goods Heb. 11. and others the trials of cruel mockings yea moreover Bonds and Imprisonments for bearing witness against their deceit Here thou hast manifested thy self sufficiently to be out of Christs doctrine and command as before in this Relation is expressed to wit bound by man to Preach every Lords day and by the Law of man thou receivest thy reward And so if thou hast a minde to sue any of those that believe in Christ at the Law and take away their Coat thou maist have their Cloak also for they cannot resist thee

Here is no mention made of water in this command and besides they to whom it was given were first sent forth to teach as it is written Go teach all Nations and they abode in the doctrine of Christ and went forth as sheep among Wolves and into whatsoever City Town or Village they entred they were to inquire who was worthy and not what they might expect for a livelihood for themselves their Wives and their Children And some were sent forth not to baptize but to preach the Gospel and these were sent first to teach and preach repentance and they were to repent before they were to be baptized So that it plainly manifests That those who baptize Infan●s before they teach them or before they have repented are transgressors of this command of Christ And I also question where ever Frances Fulwood was sent either to preach or baptize for Christs Ministers were not so beggerly as to take hire for their preaching twice every Lords day or to contend or wrangle for a competent maintenance in lieu of preaching or for Tithes calling them Christs wages This manifests another spirit then was in the true Prophets Apostles and Ministers of Christ who called all to come freely without money and without price and gave freely as they had freely received But as there were false Prophets in Israel even so there are also false Prophets in England whose hearts are exercised with covercous practises and who have forsaken the right way in these last days and perilous times and many have followed their pernicious ways by reason of whom the way of truth is evil spoken of And these men in the ears of deluded people are crying up the Church and Ordinances Baptism Sacrament Preaching Praying and Singing even as the Jews did of old the Temple of the Lord the Temple of the Lord when they themselves were even destroyed for want of knowledge But the Lord hath raised up a light in the hearts of Ten thousands of his Saints whereby they are comprehended judged and condemned and turned away from them that have gotten the words without the life the form but not the power the shadow and not the substance the sign but not the seal There was indeed a time of ignorance a day that was neither clear nor dark in the which we were led aside by these dumb Idol-shepherds till God commanded the light to shine out of darkness and shined into our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glorious Gospel Church and Ordinances in the face of Jesus Christ of whom we had heard and on whom we had believed And being justified by faith we have peace with God Heb. 11.6 and without faith its impossible to please God Fulw. Faith you say is required in Baptism and that renders Infants capable thereof for though Faith be required this doth not render Infants uncapable of Baptism for children were capable of Circumcision and yet Circumcision was a sign and seal of the Righteousness of Faith Answ Their Circumcision made with hands was a sign Rom. 4. but not a seal for what saith the Scripture Abraham believed God and it was counted to him for righteousness not when he was in Circumcision but when he was in uncircumcision and he received the sign of Circumcision a seal of the righteousness of faith which he had when he was uncircumcised The Circumcision of the heart is the seal Ezek. 20.12 10. and the Circumcision with hands was the sign of that seal as the Sabbath was given to Israel for a sign of that Everlasting Sabbath which is prepared for the people of God But now neither Circumcision nor uncircumcision availeth any thing but a new Creature neither doth the figure of Water-baptism nor Sprinkling of Infants which is no figure seal nor sign avail any thing 1 Pet 3.21 but the keeping of the Commandments of God for when the Gentiles that have not the Law do by nature the things contained in the Law these having not the Law are a Law unto themselves Rom. 2. shewing the effect of the Law written in their hearts c. Therefore if the uncircumsion keep the righteousness of the Law shall not his uncircumcision be counted for Circumcision for that is not Circumcision which is outward Phil. 3.3 but that of the heart in the Spirit and not in the Letter for they onely are the Circumcision that worship God in the Spirit and have no confidence in the flesh and they only know the true Baptism that are come to the answer of a good conscience towards God by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead who are buried with him in Baptism Eph. 4.30 and quickned together with him and sealed up by the Spirit of promise until the day of redemption And if this be all the proof can be alleaged for the baptising of Infants by the Teachers of the World and their upholders the Author of this Book their Foundation is on the Sand for neither can they prove that Christ commanded to baptize Infants with water nor that it came in the room of circumcision or that it is either Sign or Seal of the Righteousness of Faith unless we should believe what they conceive or imagine for a truth which few will do that have their sences exercised by reason of use to discern between truth and error the power of godliness and the form and have had experience of the deceit of such as now are gone forth into the world Matth. 15.9 who teach for doctrine the traditions of men Something also was spoken about singing Davids Conditions in Rime and Meeter which I then opposed and denied the practise of as they were by these Poets or Fidlers Sternhold Hopkins and others Translated into English Meeter with apt Notes to be sung in the Church and Chappels so called before their Morning and Evening Prayers and Formal Preaching which while the people are singing they uncover their heads as if the Scriptures were more holy and honorable since these men perverted them by putting them into Meeter then they were before as they were spoken forth by him who was a holy man after Gods own heart inspired by the Holy Ghost But all your Songs will the Lord God of Sabbath suddenly turn into weeping and howling mourning and bitter lamentation Although for a season these men of the World whose portion is in this life may make merry over the witness and put far away the evil day who lie upon their Beds of Ivory and stretch themselves on the Couches that eat the Lambs out of the flock and the Calves out of the midst of the stall that chant to the sound of the Viol and invent to themselves instruments of Musick like David who sings lyes in the Name of the Lord calling him to witness that they are not puft in minde when they are so proud heady high-minded and scornful that without disdain they can scarcely one look upon another