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A93576 The hidden things of Esau brought to light, and reproved in an answer to a book intituled A true relation of a dispute between Francis Fulwood, minister of West Alvington, in the county of Devon, and Thomas Salthouse, as it is said, of the county of Westmerland, before the congregation of them called Quakers, in the house of Henry Pollexpher Esquire, in the said parish of West. Published in the truth's defence, and sent abroad in the world, to pursue the unknown authors imperfect relation. By a follower of the Lamb in the war against the Beast and false prophet, known to the world by the name of Thomas Salthouse. Salthouse, Thomas, 1630-1691. 1657 (1657) Wing S473; Thomason E912_4; ESTC R204852 26,539 40

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and the glory of the Lord is risen and arising and shall cover the face of the earth as the waters cover the Sea And now the sinners in Zion begin to tremble and fearfulness surprises the Hypocrites the voice of Babylons merchants is heard with a loud cry Rev. 18. Alas alas for none will buy our merchandise any longer Come say they let us smite with the tongue the hope of our gain is gone you know that by this craft we have got our wealth and if these mens doctrine be received not onely our craft is endangered but our Church and Ordinances which all the world worships in will be denied and our Tithes Augmentations Gifts and Rewards for Preaching will be taken away Report and we will report it let us call them Deceivers and Seducers for none dare contradict us When we are in the Pulpits the Law of the Land is our protection and by it we have liberty to imprison them if they disturb or interrupt us And thus you Parish-Teachers shelter your selves for a season but your covering is too narrow and your bed will be found shorter then a man can stretch himself upon it Your wickedness is manifest and reproved by the light and by a foolish people are you provoked to jealousie whom God hath chosen to confound the wisdom of the wise glory to his Name for ever who hath put an end to the first Covenant that made not the comers thereunto perfect as pertaining to the conscience and hath disannulled the Commandment going before by reason of the weakness and unprofitableness of it This is our God we have waited for him he alone is our Judge King and Law-giver to whom our soul is subject for he ever liveth and hath an unchangable Priesthood even him who is able to save to the uttermost all that come to God by him Which we now witness and deny and declare against the changable Priesthood that took Tithes and denied Christ to be come in the flesh Fulw. Tithes are lawful because not forbidden yea they seem to be encouraged by Christ himself ye Tithe Mint c. And ye do well therefore we do not ill to take them Answ Read thy portion among them to whom Christ spoke and if thou do well mayst thou not be accepted Wo unto you Scribes Pharisees Hypocrites for ye pay Tithe of Mint Mat. 23. Annise and Cummin and have omitted the weightier matters of the Law Judgment Mercy and Faith These you ought to have done and not to leave the other undone But he did not say You did well in so doing but called them fools and bl●nde And so may I truly call him who saith this is an encouragement to takes Tithes If thou or any of thy Brethren take them on this account for shame never profess your selves to be Ministers of the Gospel for Christ gave no command or encouragement to the Twelve Seventy or to any of his Disciples to take Tithes And besides those to whom Christ then spake did not believe in him nor confess him to be the end of the first Covenant in which Tithes was commanded and due to be paid to the Levitical Priesthood which were many Priests because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death But this man hath an unchangable Priesthood for he ever liveth to make intercession for his and is able to save to the uttermost all them that come to the Father by him who is made a Priest for ever not by the Law of a carnal command but by the power of an endless life and of the things which are spoken Heb. 8.1 both concerning Melchisedec and the Levitical Priesthood in that Declaration to the Hebrews This is the sum and substance Jesus Christ who is set on the right hand of the Throne of the Majestie in the Heavens a Minister of the Sanctuary and of the true Tabernacle which God hath pitched and not man For finding fault with the first Covenant Behold the days come saith the Lord that I will make with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a new Covenant not according to the old which Covenant they brake Even this is the Covenant that I will make with the house of Israel After those days saith the Lord I will put my Law in their mindes and write them in their hearts I will be unto them a God and they shall be my people And thus the Law and Priesthood being changed as is clear by Scripture neither thou nor thy Brethren have any right to take Tithes either by the Law of God or example of Christs Ministers nor no encouragement from his words nor from that of Abraham who freely gave Tithes to Melchisedec out of the spoils who blessed him when he returned from the Conquest but ye receive the tenth not of the spoils onely but out of poor mens labors and of them who receive no blessing from you and for whom you do no work In the time of the Law there were indeed many Priests and the Priests lips were to preserve the knowledge of the people and then they ought to have brought their Tithes into the storehouse And these Priests had a necessity daily to offer Sacrifice first for their own sin and then for the peoples But Christ being come the Everlasting High Priest of good things to come by a greater and a more perfect Tabernacle not made with hands as the figures and shadows of these good things was He hath obtained a more excellent Ministry in as much as he is the Mediator of a better Covenant established upon better promises And so the Priesthood being changed Heb. 7.12 there is made of necessity a change of the Law Fulw. I have two things to defend our taking of Tithes against his Verse one of which I am sure will hold The first is That we claim not Tithes by the Law of God as it were commanded there but by the Law of the Land whereby we have as clear a title to our Tithes as that Gentleman hath to his Estate The second thing that I have to say is That you cannot prove by this Text that the onely Law for Tithes in the Word of God is abolished Answ Even upon this ground hath thy generation whose hearts are exercised with coveteous practises in all ages caused the Saints and Servants of God of whom the world was not worthy to suffer Some the spoiling of their goods Heb. 11. and others the trials of cruel mockings yea moreover Bonds and Imprisonments for bearing witness against their deceit Here thou hast manifested thy self sufficiently to be out of Christs doctrine and command as before in this Relation is expressed to wit bound by man to Preach every Lords day and by the Law of man thou receivest thy reward And so if thou hast a minde to sue any of those that believe in Christ at the Law and take away their Coat thou maist have their Cloak also for they cannot resist thee
hide and uphold Book There were some things very remarkable and the cunning craftiness of the Quaker was such That do what Mr. Fulwood could to force him to it he still found some trick or other to evade the maintaining those passages of dangerous consequence which he let fall in his first discourse which were not a few and which he took notice Mr. Fulwood wrote down Answ O ye deceitful Craftsmen and false Accusers what were these passages of dangerous consequence was it declaring against sin and exhorting to purity and holiness to minde the light and take up the Cross and follow Christ in the straight way or was it the laying open the deceit of the false Prophets hirelings and such as say they are Ministers of Christ and are not such as are called of Men Master take the cheif Seats in the Assemblies uppermost rooms at Feasts and whose hearts are exercised with covetous practises and have forsaken the right way and are gone in the way of Cain and run greedily after the error of Balaam for gifts and rewards If he that you call Mr. Fulwood wrote down any thing of dangerous consequence it had been his duty or yours in this Relation to have published them that so they might have been avoided and the Author ashamed for you say this was published out of a sincere desire that truth might be cleared and error ashamed And here you have added another lye to say That I took notice that Mr. Fulwood wrote down those passages of dangerous consequence for I did not see him nor any other write any thing that day of that discourse which I was moved of the Lord to speak not fearing all that came to oppose themselves Although I were sensible there were many that day come together to lie in wait to catch me in my words and if I had seen any write down what I said that day I had no cause to be afraid nor ashamed knowing that I have a witness in all your consciences that heard me even the Authors of his Book though they manifested themselves to be my subtil Adversaries their cunning will deceive them in the end as their deceit comes to be laid open by the light which makes manifest every mans work of what sort it is Book 2. He took all occasions to bring the dispute to such points as lay in difference between us and the Anabaptists that thus he might engage the Anabaptists with himself which indeed he effected the greatest advantage he got that day Answ Have you no other resuge but lies to shelter under what occasion took I to engage the Anabaptists both they and most of the company then present saw the deceit of Francis Fulwood that day and many of them declared against it I utterly deny that I endeavored to engage any further then the truth convinced them neither did I fear any that did engage against me And if the Lord raised up a witness in those you call Anabaptists or any others to contend for the truth against your deceit let him have the glory I admire no mans person because of advantage and if Francis Fulwood lost the advantage that day with your assistance or likely with the help of his Brethren of the Craft he may think to regain what he then lost by enlarging upon his confused Answers and Arguments and diminishing and wresting my Answers Replies and Arguments that day made in the truths defence but neither yours nor the as formed weapons shall prosper your refuge of lies the Lord will sweep away Book 3. That upon every stand or difficulty he continually fled unto the common Refuge of Hireling taking Tithes c. Answ It s a better refuge then lies to flie unto did not the true Prophets Ministers and Messengers of Christ declare against hirelings such as divined for money bare rule by their means sought for their gain from their quarter and against covetous proud heady high-minded men Is Francis Fulwood guilty of any of these If so let him repent in time and turn you from him if not neither he nor you need be offended at me nor account it too grateful a discourse to any Book 4. Although he first urged to have the express words of Scripture to be the rule of the dispute c. Answ You still flie to your old refuge which cannot long stand to wit lies look back to the third remarkable thing as you call it and compare it with this and your contradictions and confusions will appear remarkable indeed Did not you there say that in every stand I fled to the common refuge of Tithes Hirelings Diviners for money c. which are express words of Scripture and are you now so impudent as to say that I did not so much as once keep so exactly to the express words of Scripture Here you have given an opportunity sufficiently to discover and lay open your folly Book 5. Yet his cunning deceived him in that as is most remarkable The very Texts which he urged as before noted afforded so direct and plain Answers upon every occasion that he had no room left for any colourable Reply Answ What can you not open your mouths without lying I need give no other answer to this but appeal to all those that heard the dispute whose judgments are not captivated with prejudice Where are those plain Answers how is it you had not set down some of them in that which you call a true Relation A Reply that had not given satisfaction might stand for a colour but as troups of Robbers that lay in wait to murder by consent you bend your tongues for lies and shoot out your arrows even bitter words Book 6. Lastly And which did justly amaze us how boldly and with what inforcing Repetitions did Mr. Fulwood challenge him to set down his opinions and engage that thereupon he would at the next meeting bring Papists Books c. Answ All opinions and sects I deny neither can I remember at present that I heard him speak of writing down any but my principles what I owned and disowned I freely declared that day which neither be nor you hath or can disprove that dispute being the Fourteenth day of the Moneth called October 1656. I had three meetings the same Moneth one at the house of Henry Pollexphen aforesaid on the Six and twentieth day another the Seven and twentieth at Batson and another the Eight and twentieth at Kingsbridge of which its likely Francis Fulwood had notice For Nicholas Tripe in whose house the Meeting then was informed me that he sent a Messenger to him with a Message to this purpose That if he were dissatisfied in any thing in the forementioned discourse he might have free liberty to come into his house and be answered to what he had to object which was done at my request Let his practise and mine be judged by the Light which is nearer to Popery and who it was that fainted Book The Lord awaken us betime
and upon his right eye ●ch 11.7 his right arm shall be quite dryed up and his right eye shall be utterly darkned for the Lord is arising in his glorious Majesty to shake terribly the Earth and to bring down the mighty from their seats and to exalt that of low degree The time is come that iniquity shall have an end the Crown shall be removed and the Diadem taken away the thrones of iniquity shall be cast down that the antient of days may sit to whom all judgement is committed the government must be upon his shoulders that he alone may rule and reign even the Captain of our Salvation and Prince of our Peace who is King of Kings and Lord of Lords God over all blessed for ever The flying Angel is gone forth with the Everlasting Gospel ●ev 14. to preach unto all Kinreds Tongues and Languages of the Nations and unto you hath the Call reached that long hath groaned under the dominion and oppression of the Prince of the air the hour cometh and now is in the which the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God and he that heareth shall live Arise and shine for you light is come you that long have slept in the dust of the earth accept of deliverance Come forth of the prison houses shew your selves salvation and strength is come the Kingdom of our God and the power of his Christ the knowledge of the glory of God is arising that shall cover the face of the Earth as the waters cover the Sea Seek not ye the living among the dead for in vain is salvation hoped for or expected from the Mountains or from the Hills it is laid upon him that is mighty even able to save to the uttermost all those that come to the Father by him Therefore cease from man whose breath is in his nostrils and heap not up unto your selves Teachers believe not every spirit but try the spirits for many false Prophets are gone forth into the world in these last days and perilous times But God who at sundry times and divers manners spake to the Fathers by his servants the true Prophets hath in these last days spoken by his Son whom he hath appointed to be heir of all things by whom also he made the world whose day Abraham saw and rejoyced of whom he hath said Let all the Angels of God worship him And if the word spoken by Angels was stedfast and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward how can ye escape who neglect this great salvation O that you knew in this your day the things that belong unto your peace which so long have been hid from your eyes A Prophet hath God raised up unto you like unto Moses and Pastors hath he sent forth according to his own heart rising up early and sitting down late saying Turn ye turn ye why will you die He that hath an ear let him hear this is the day of Zions deliverance the Lord is gathering in the out-casts of Israel and the dispersed from among the Gentiles and out of the heaps of rubbish is he raising up living stones to build unto himself a Spiritual house and other Foundations can no man lay then that which is already laid Jesus Christ the Rock of Ages the same yesterday to day and for ever who is now come a light into the world and whosoever believeth on him shall never be ashamed This is our God we have waited for him who by his own arm hath brought Salvation and plenteous Redemption who came and preached peace to us that sometimes were afar off and hath shined into our hearts by the light of the glorious Gospel and hath made us nigh by the blood of the Everlasting Covenant To whom be glory and honor throughout all ages world without end Amen Tho. Salthouse IF Ja. Godfreys Queries to Geo. Pitt which is added to this Relation had been all answered then F. F. might have expected an answer to his Counter-queries but I shall leave them to him to whom they were directed That if he see any thing worth an answer he may write to it if he be free And seeing they are of so little weight arising onely from a busie minde 1 Tim. 6. I shall take the counsel of such a one as Paul the aged in this particular to shun prophane and vain bablings which genders strife and tends to more ungodliness not doting about questions and strife of words whereof cometh envies evil furmising and perverse disputing with men of corrupt mindes reprobate concerning the Faith and destitute of the truth who do suppose that gain is godliness But to me it is no advantage to fight with Beasts if the dead do not rise neither would I be found as one beating the air or boasting in another mans line or answering a fool in his folly But if any ask a reason of the hope that is in me I am and shall be ready with meekness and fear to give an answer as God gives a mouth and wisdom whose counsel and direction I still wait for And so unto him in weldoing I commit the keeping of my soul as unto a faithful Creator Tho. Salthouse FINIS