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A40441 A dialogue by way of question and answer concerning the deity all the responses being taken verbatim out of the Scriptures. Freke, William, 1662-1744.; Freke, William, 1662-1744. A brief but clear confutation of the doctrine of the trinity. 1693 (1693) Wing F2163; ESTC R30389 26,997 16

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and Holy Ghost A. Gen. 48.16 The Angel which redeem'd me from all evil bless the Lads and let my name be named on them and the name of my Father Abraham and Isaac and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth That is as if he had said God grant the Angel bless the Lads c. Q. 29. But can you shew me any Text then where we are forbidden to worship either the Son or Holy Ghost if you can pray what is it A. John 16.23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing verily verily I say unto you whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name he will give it you John 16.26 At that day ye shall ask in my name and I say not unto you that I will pray the Father for you Q. 30. What Scriptures have you that testifie of the Holy Ghost pray declare them A. John 14.16 17 27. But the Comforter which is the Holy Ghost whom the Father will send in my name he shall teach you all things and bring all things to your remembrance whatsoever I have said unto you and I will pray the Father and he shall give you another Comforter that he may abide with you for ever even the Spirit of truth whom the world cannot receive because it seeth him not neither knoweth him but ye know him for be dwelleth in you and shall be in you Eph. 1.13 1 Cor. 12. 6.19 2 Cor. 1.22 John 15.26 But when the Comforter is come whom I will send unto you from the Father even the Spirit of truth which proceedeth from the Father he shall testifie of me Q. 31. But is there any Text that shews you an absolute Duality in the Father and Holy Spirit to confute the Socinians who think them one and the Trinitarians that think them at least Coequal and Essentially one A. Rom. 26 27. Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities for we know not what we should pray for as we ought but the Spirit it 's self maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be utter'd and he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of GOD. Eph. 2.18 For thro' him we both have an access by one Spirit unto the Father Q. 32. I perceive then by these Texts that you take the Holy Ghost as well since the Prophets as before Acts 28.25 Luke 2.25 26. to be Christ's Deputy-Angel for I see not how you can suppose Christ to send the power of the Father from the Father as the Socinians imagine pray therefore let me know if there are any other Texts which shew the Son to command the Holy Ghost as his Lord. A. John 16.7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth it is expedient for you that I go away for if I go not away the Comforter will not come unto you but if I depart I will send him unto you 13 14 15 Verses following Howbeit when he the Spirit of truth is come he will guide you into all truth for he shall not speak of himself but whatsoever he shall hear that shall he speak and he will shew you things to come he shall glorifie me for he shall receive of mine and shall shew it unto you all things that the Father hath are mine therefore said I that he shall take of mine and shew it unto you John 7.39 14. 12. 20.22 Luke 24.49 Acts 1.2 Vntil the day in which he Christ was taken up after that he thro' the Holy Ghost had given commandment to the Apostles whom he had chosen 1 Cor. 12.13 Eph. 4.11 Acts 1. 8 20 28. Acts 2.33 Therefore being by the right hand of GOD exalted and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost he hath shed forth this which we see and hear Rev. 5.6 Mat 3.11 Q. 33. But how comes it to be so peremptory then to Blaspheme the Holy Ghost according to the words of Christ Mat. 12 31. Mark 3.28 A. Acts 5.3 4. But Peter said Ananias why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost thou hast not lied unto men but unto God i. e. Thou hast studiedly affronted even God himself thro' us and the Holy Ghost for tho' Rev. 1.1 2. 11. Heb. 1.14 compar'd to Acts 2.2 3 4. and Luke 3.21 shew the Holy Ghost to be but an Angel yet as he is that Angel through whom by the Son of GOD he himself bear Record to us 1 John 5.7 So indeed in that respect he is the Representative both of Christ and God himself Q. 34. I perceive then that according to the Texts 1 John 4.6 John 14.17 15.26 which say We are of GOD he that knoweth GOD heareth us he that is not of GOD heareth not us hereby know we the Spirit of truth and the Spirit of error and Rom. 8.26 1 Thes 5.19 Mark 13.11 Luke 12.12 I say I find that you suppose with these Texts that there are two great Angels an evil one and a good one that help and tempt all Mankind severally at once but pray what Authority have you for Notioning such great Spirits from Scripture A. Rev. 12.9 10. And the great dragon was cast out the old Serpent called the Devil and Satan which deceiveth the whole world he was cast out into the earth and his Angels were cast out with him and I heard a loud voice saying now is come salvation and strength the kingdom of our GOD and the power of his Christ for the accuser of our brethren is cast down which accused them before our GOD day and night Rev. 20.2 3. And he laid hold on the Dragon that old Serpent which is the Devil and Satan and bound him a thousand years and cast him into the bottomless pit and shut him up and set a seal upon him that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years should be fulfilled and after that he must be loosed a little season Eph. 2.2 Wherein in time past we walked according to the course of this world according to the Prince of the power of the Air the Spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience Eph. 6.12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities against powers against the rulers of the darkness of this world against spiritual witkedness in high places Dan. 10.12 13. Then said he unto me fear not Daniel for from the first day thou didst set thine heart to understand and to chasten thy self before GOD thy words were heard and I am come for thy words but the Prince of the Kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days but lo Michael one of the chief Princes came to help me and I remain'd then with the Kings of Persia Verse 20 21. Then said he knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee and now will I return to fight with the Prince of Persia and when I am gone forth lo the Prince of Grecia
us accordingly And thus if at any time they argue with us is it not rather to wrangle and banter than seek for Truth Yes surely and O! if they can but fall on the Authors Person or some trifling Faults in his Writings matters possibly as Foreign from the thing in hand as Light from Darkness yet streight what a Victory you hear of So also if they can but persecute a Man to recant a little Good God! how they boast of their Cause upon it But bless me that the World should have so little Sincerity in it Heu terras Astraea reliquit But why do I wonder when some men are even sear'd against Truth and Conviction and dare dispute even Demonstrations Nay some as if Truth were impertinent and Sincerity ridiculous with them even baffle them in their strong Holds yet their Hydra-headed Arguments will rather multiply upon it than die tho never so absurd In plain terms it seems as a Witchcraft and Possession upon them and as if incurable but by the immediate Power of God himself And what are not these lamentable sights to behold then And yet after all to shew you that they are not so unsensible neither as they would seem 't is only when that they are attacked by some home Truths that they rave and shufflle and cut thus Forsooth if some trifling Sect only scratch them with their Pens as devoid of danger they can bear it with a tolerable Patience but as if stung by a Tarantula to the immortal Honour of the Reformation a poor Woman must be their last Sacrifice to Heresie since she proved to be so notorious a Creature as an Unitarian Arrian Nay and I 'll maintain that by these Arts and a little other holy Juggle our Priests have made the very Name much more the Argument of Unitarianism more odions to their Followers than ever Hobgoblins were to Children The Papists paint Devils on the backs of the Heretick Protestants they burn to perswade their Followers what 's within by what 's without And our modern Papists are little better at heart for by their consents and if they could they would damn all that talk ay or but think of Unitarianism XVI And yet they 're not without their Subtilties neither for for fear some bolder Spirits should scorn such their childish Bugbears streight their silly Whimsies are styled Mysteries But good God! that Men can be so blind as to be gull'd so God has revealed a Mystery to us that is something unintelligible Bless me what a Revelation we have got But forsooth we have learnt upon occasion with the Church of Rome therefore wisely also to couple a little Persecution with our Mysteries Alas the Holy Ghost has marked the Antichristian Church by way of caution with Mystery in her Forehead and Men are grown too sensible by long experience that such Trash will ne're go down unless driven by a little honest Compulsion But bless me that men shou'd thus still continue to be cheated by the old Gull of Mystery that constant Trick of Priests in all Ages that clouds all Truths and stops all free reasoning that has supported all the Absurdities of Idolatry and that by leading men into a bruitish blindness has become every way rather serviceable to the Devil than God ☞ You say you entertain the Sum of your Religion in Mysteries and why not this Liberty to be allow'd in Heathenism as well as Christianity or in Popery as well as Protestancy blind Trust is the same whether in Truth or Error Or if not wh● then in God's Name ought not every Cause to have a fair hearing alike But no s●●e●ght here steps up some other Trinitarian Shuffle and I 'll maintain for Interest or Prejudice they shall wrangle out the Truth tho' never so clear And what is not this our Trinitarians case who almost all rather perversly and presumptiously cavil on for their Cause than think of embracing or entertaining Truth if found or offer'd against them They may think too that this is Calumny and when any two of them either explain or understand this infallible and damning Doctrine alike I 'll grant it but when only Interest makes them hang as in a string by a set form of Words and their new Variances and Heresies among one another would be endless had not they us their common Enemy to vent them upon What can move one to spare such a ridiculous damning Infallibility Thus one shall tell you that the Creed it self is not Athanasius's but forged some years since A 2d renounces the Damnatory Sentences as if hethought that there the Creed had overshot its self A 3d acknowledges the Filioque to be an unreasonable Imposition and a 4th destroys the whole purport of the Creed and by a wily Construction defends it just as an Unitarian would but that the Gentleman seems a little too serious to burlesque it Thus Dr. W's 3 Persons are 3 somewhats in God only and not 3 adequate self-conscious Persons and what is not the Socinian Holy Ghost or the Inspiration of God such a somewhat And was not the assistance of God to the Son incarnate such a somewhat And pray then is not Dr. W. a Socinian in Masquerade Well but what cannot Dr. W. succeed Surely then L. M. shall I am sure whoever is he is no pert smatterer in the Controversie for if others have the faculty of writing short I know nothing that he has done but strove to puzzle the Cause by tediousness and make men sick on 't but no we have been threatned a long time by a whole Cabal of London Divines and they 'll assuredly do the business Alas I am afraid they are many of them sick on 't and fear 't will rise in their Stomachs if they attempt it In plain terms I declare 't is really to be wondred at to see how such a Doctrine as this has been able to pa s muster through so many Centuries especially among Protestants and in such a searching Age as this pretends to be we may boast our selves if we will but for my part I think if this be a spice of our Wisdom after Ages won't want to wonder to see what blind and conceited Dotards we were To shut up all our Protestant Churches are massacred are pla●ned with Wars persecuted overcome and ●●●fled and well they may when thus even yet embodied in Antichrist What Can we expect either Peace God's Protection or Blessing as the Israelites of old and yet not think to live accordingly and be equally jealous of his Honour The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the Lord. Psalm 50.16 17. But unto the wicked God saith What hast thou to do to declare my Statutes or that thou shouldst take my Covenant in thy mouth seeing thou hatest instructions and casteth my words behind thee c. FINIS