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A91052 A short answer to a book set forth by seven priests, who call themselves ministers of the gospel of Christ; but are plainly discovered to be lyers, and slanderers, and envious of them who are the true ministers of Christ, who abide in his doctrine. With a vvord to the reader, to read with understanding, and let the light of Jesus Christ within judge; for to that in the conscience it is spoken. H. P. 1654 (1654) Wing P36; Thomason E808_10; ESTC R207524 32,741 32

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lusts you shew where your hearts is without pitty or compassion who wilt not cover thy own flesh but it is that you may be made manifest and you have shewed that you are out of the doctrine of Christ you have been pleading for your interest in the earth there is your God and with the doctrine of Christ you are judged and your community we abhorre but the communion of the Saints we own and servants in their places diligent serving the Lord and children obeying their Parents in the Lord and forsaking all for the Lord and he that doth not is not worthy of him This we witness Whereas you are slandering and saying We are breaking marriage bonds and wedlock because we question what Scripture the Priests have to marry people and take money for it O ye enemies of God where do you read in all the Scriptures that the Priests are to take money for marrying of people such trades we deny if you call that wedlock Marriage is honourable in all things where the the bed is undefiled and that we own but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge and such we deny and all the Priests practises which they have no Scripture for and therefore we question them with authority and deny them both Whereas you are speaking of some that are not free to be Tenants Is the Lord drawing his people from under you taskmasters as from under Pharaoh which are proud and oppressors which you Priests have been examples of and taught the people And this torments you now you Priests because you are against it who have been the oppressors of the creation and are but the Lord is gathering his people from under you now as he did from under Pharaoh and doth proud Pharaoh begin to rage if this torment you you shall see more come with everlasting songs upon their heads singing over Pharaoh and his host The song of Moses and Lamb is begun to be heard in our land and the children of Israel which had their land-marks What 's that to you Egyptians proud and covetous who are for destruction as your father Pharaoh was who was an oppressor proud and a taskmaster Therefore wo to you bloody Cains which are compast under the wo you are of the stock of them that build Babel who are Babylon harlotted from the living God and your Mother hath sit as a Queen deckt with her colours but now the time of her widowhood is come and loss of children and she hath lost many children and that many Kings and Merchants of the earth laments crying Alas alas Whereas you are speaking of tumults and attempts put this not far from you for this may be seen in some of your generation this shall stand for your selves as it is made manifest what tumults are in your congregations And your boasting as giving up your bodies and estates But let these words return upon your selves again and see where your bodies are where your lives and estates are for many lies in prison because they will not pay Priests Tythes which is contrary to the Lord Jesus Christ and his doctrine which the Apostles ever lived in for he never sent you for you confess you are not sent immediately as the Apostles were You say There is not a prophesie in all the Scriptures that takes away all outward teachers Here I am full of the Spirit and power of the Lord to declare against you for in John he saith Ye need not any man téach you There is mans teaching outwardly denied and in Heb. 8. he saith Ye shall not teach every man his neighbour saying Know the Lord for all shall know him All who are in the new Covenant witnesseth this and who witness the new Covenant witness the Son of man and Jeremiah prophesied That they shall no more teach every man his neighbour saying Know the Lord And here you enemies of the God are raced out of the Covenant and are ignorant of the Lord And Ezekiel saith Thus saith the Lord I will deliver my sheep from their mouthes that hath devoured them such as you that have sought for the fleece and for the wool and I will search out my sheep and finde them out and feed them upon the top of the mountaines saith the Lord of hosts he that hath an ear to hear let him for he feeds upon the top of the mountains of Israel And Isaiah saith All the children of the Lord shall be taught of the Lord and much peace shall they have and in righteousness shall they be established And here let this prophesie judge you to be out of the new Covenant and contrary to the Prophets and Apostles which say You are not sent immediately as the Apostles were so how can you witness their conditions so here you have brought your selves under the chain And Jeremiah saith The Lord speaks in him Behold the dayes come saith the Lord that I will make a new covenant not according to the covenant I made with their fathers but this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel After those daies saith the Lord I will put my laws in their inward parts and in their hearts will I write them and I will be their God and they shall be my people And all these Scriptures I charge you all ye Priests of England to have laid waste and have brought none into the new Covenant neither are you there your selves who stumble at the light and denies the first principle They that need no man to teach them such you write against and speak against and so deny the new Covenant and bring the conditions of those that were not come to the Covenant to oppose the new Covenant them that are in it And for quoting many Scriptures of the Epistles and bringing the conditions of the Saints written in the Epistles and not knowing what condition they were written to let the readers of the book examine the Scriptures which you bring in your book and then they will see how you wrest the Scriptures to oppose the truth and how ignorant you are of the Scriptures You are bringing the Apostles which said If we minister unto you spiritual things it is least if you minister unto us carnal things This was spoken to them that denied the Priests the Saints and would not hold up such Priests as you Priests of England which seek for your gain from your quarter and have Balaams wages which is a horrible filthy thing and which the wo is upon and seeks for the fleece and makes a prey upon the people and if they will not give it you sue men at the law did ever the Apostles so Here O England let thy teachers who are in their whoredom from the life be witnessed against by all the Prophets and Apostles life and let all thy whoredoms testifie against thee in thy face for with the eternal life of them all thou art judged eternally You are speaking of Christs sending forth his and say
you call Quakers that they bring an odium upon the glorious affairs of Christs kingdom Reply This shall stand for your selves who live in experiences which the Minister of Christ taught to forget the things past and to press forward and there you do shew that you are raced out from the life of the Apostle and layes waste his words Priest Another of your lying slanders is that you say They lay waste Churches Graces Scriptures Principles Reply And in these I charge you Joseph Kellet John Pomrey Paul Glisson to be lyers for the Churches of the Saints Graces Scriptures Principles we own but you slander us because we deny the Steeple-house to be the Church and the Grace of God we own which teacheth to deny all ungodliness and worldly lusts and so it is in the first lesson That they do come to see with the light of Christ to deny your Church your Principle your Experiences and so are not to taste of their doctrine which perish with the using of it for you have been the proud and coveto us that have led silly women captive which have been ever learning but never able to know the truth of you And some are moved to come and cry against you therefore slander them not Priest Another lying slander you bring saying They hinder the progress of the Gospel by weakening the hands of faithful teachers Reply These are more of your lyes for the progress of the Gospel we own and the faithful teachers we own but such as you Priests who say you are not sent immediately as the Apostles were we deny Priest You are making a Pharisees confession you Priests and are learning your lesson how you are apt to slumber and how you should be stirr'd up and doth confess that your people are in deadness of their hearts occasioned by formal duties Reply Here you have uttered where you are which makes people forsake you and where one doth ten shall and see your prayers empty without the Spirit and this is to your Pharisees confession of your selves and the people and many doth see that the Lord is gone out of your publick assemblies and that Ministery he doth not own for you are such as the Lord cried wo against as stood praying in the Synagogues c. Mat. 23. and there you are all openly shewed to be none of Christs sending neither your Church none of his Body for when the Lord hath moved some to come to speak after the order of the Saints Churches and the Scriptures Some have been stocked some stoned and beat and prisoned And how can you say This is a Church of God but blaspheme God but it is as the Scripture saith Become a cage of unclean birds And as touching the Saints conditions Hope Faith I charge you let them alone and meddle not with them for them you know nothing of for your Faith is vain and your Hope shall perish and to you this is the word of God who stumbles at the light Priest And again you say Take heed of judging Ordinances as unnecessary or indifferent things Reply And here I charge you to keep people in blindness who put no difference between the Ordinances of Christ and the Ordinances of Men Priest And again you cavil because they say Minde the light in you which is Christ and is pure and that it discovers every evil and your Answer to this is Whether makes not this the Scripture unncessary and casts off all outward teachings Reply O you blinde guides this light which is to be minded which is Christ stablisheth the Scriptures and it doth bring to deny all outward teachers which is made by man for What is the chaff to the wheat Priest And again you Query Whether this brings not down the glorious mystery of the Scriptures and from every rule of duty Reply Here you have declared you know nothing of the mystery of the Scriptures but are in your own duties for the light within which shews him sin and every evil it doth teach him how to pray and watch and oponeth to him every mystery of the Scripture and without it you are all blinde and know nothing of the mystery as you make it appear and you slanderers do not incense the people that we deny the Scriptures for the Scriptures is ours Priest And in your p. 2. whereof you are tormented and saith We sit inthe chair of judgement I answer Reply God hath given us an understanding and judgement that we are able to distinguish praises to his name We were in your state and kingdom but the Lord hath brought us out of it therefore we are able to judge it and you who hath no judgement but what is false Priest And you are querying Whether leaving you to be guided by the conscience and to have no standing rule whithout you you say Whether this be not to establish Heathens and Philosophy and you conclude that the Light is not pure before Faith Rep. Here you have declared that you neither know Faith nor Light and are afraid that that in your consciences should give you that standing rule which all the Prophets and Apostles had we have Christ Jesus saith I am the light of the world and enlightneth every one that cometh into the word and you conclude this light is not pure And Christ saith He doth enlighten every one that cometh into the world and one he loves the light brings his d deeds to the light and doth not stumble and the ohe hates the light and stumbles at noon as you do which stumbles so much at the light of Christ which enlightens every one that cometh into the world But it is that you might appear that you are them that hate the light and so hates Christ and that you might be judged with all the children of light and you that stumble at this light you neither know God nor Christ nor Faith nor Hope and cannot preach the Gospel nor the Gifts nor the Words but onely death hears a fame as Job said and destruction for ●n your p 4. you leave it to the spiritual to judge and here you conclude you are not spiritual and here you are concluded to be judged by the authority that gave forth the Scriptures for the spiritual man judgeth all things and the Saints shall judge the world and you that deny this light denies the Father of lights and the Apostles exercise who exercised his conscience towards God and man and you deny the Scriptures and growth and the watching and waiting upon God for you question Christs words do you who stumble at the light wherewith Christ hath enlightned Priest For you say If every one that cometh into the world hath a light sufficient to salvation that makes the Scripture the Testimony of God unnecessary a revelation of his minde and love which are nowhere to be found but there Reply And here I charge you again to set up the Scriptures before Christ who is the love of God to
Fathers and he hath the one hath the other also And here I charge you in the presence of the living God to be lyers and know nothing and see not the Father nor the God head can a man see the eternal power and God-head of God and know nothing of the mystery of the Father and of Christ as a Mediator but here you shew you know nothing of the eternal power of God nor the God-head of God nor the mystery of the Father nor of Christ as a Mediator who stumble at the light but these things we see with the light which Christ hath enlightned us withal an witness you to be without for the Apostle which witnessed the God-head knew the mystery of the Father which the heathens knew not And in your p. 10. you say That the Quakers say that this light before mentioned is pure which Christ hath enlightned withal and you conclude that this light in the conscience is not pure and saith How doth vain man justifie that which God condemns and would perswade us that nature is not corrupt Here again I charge you in the presence of the living God to be lyers and blasphemers nature is corrupt but the divine nature is not And you that declare and say That the light of Christ wherewith he hath enl ghtned is a corrupt nature Here I charge you in the presence of the living Lord to be lyers and the lye spake out of the false Prophets mouths and conclude you all to be blasphemers who saith the light of Christ wherewith he hath enlightned every one that cometh into the world is corrupt nature and not pure and saith God condemnes this light of Christ which is pure and that 's your own condemnation the light and saith Vain man justifies that which God condemnes Here I charge you again to be lyers for the light of Christ doth condemn vain man and it is according to the judgement of God this light and this light wherewith Christ hath enlightened every one that cometh into the world shall be your eternal condemnation And you are as high blasphemers as ever your Fathers were who concludes that the light which he hath enlightned withal is not pure and call it corrupt nature but this light as I said before condemns corrupt nature and that which is not pure and that you shall eternally witness for to that which Christ hath enlightned you withal I speak which shall eternally condemn you and witness me when the book of conscience is opened you that hate it whose deeds are evil and stumble at it but to all you that love it and walk in it shall not walk in darkness but shall have that light of life as I said before And you say Moreover they say the Quakers That this light discovers every evil as it ariseth in the heart And your Answer is That this light doth not discover the greatest evil which is unbelief Here you shew your selves to be blinde guides indeed which saith That the light of Christ doth not discover to man the greatest sin unbelief And here we witness you to be lyers for we witness it shews man all his weakness and wants and we witness waiting in this light of Christ we see more light and strength renewed from God and the Gospel enjoyed and self-denial in following Jesus in the light which he hath given us which teacheth to take up the cross and deny the world in which world we see you to live in void of the knowledge of God and stumbling at the light And again you are speaking of a moral law Reply But that 's without and there it shall stand as you are in the first nature and abundance of such stuff out of it you have vented which is not worth mentioning And again you are speaking of the Spirit of truth to covince the world of sin and you hope it will convince some of these deluded ones because they believe not Part of this shall stand for your selves you deluded ones but the Spirit of truth you know not that part is ours and with it we see you to be without God in the world stumbling at the light whose hope shall perish which when the book of conscience is opened shall witness me eternally and condemn you and all people everywhere that hate it You say Some may dare tosay their hands are clean but who can say their heart is clean I can and see all your hearts unclean who stumble at the light the pure in heart sees God and see your hearts which are deceitful above all things you which knows it not Here you shew you hate the light indeed who knows not your own hearts and here you have shewed you are not fit fellows to preacheth Gospel nor speak to others whose hearts are not clean Here you have made manifest you never saw God for the pure in heart sees God and you see not your own hearts and how can you pray you cannot pray lifting up holy hands to the Lord whose hearts are not clean There I charge you in the presence of the living God your prayers to be hypocritical and your hands to be full of blood And again whereas you are talking of shewing to man how impossible it is to enter into paradise O ye blinde guides what have ye to do talk of paradise that knows not your own hearts or shewing man the way The Lord hath given me a pure heart and clean hands by which all your deceits are discovered and paradise we witness which no such corrupt hearts shall enter who disobey the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ whom the plagues of God is due to and to you that hate the light murtherers Cains who are so wrangling about the light and says The light in the conscience discovers not secret things Here you are out of the obedience of the light and contrary to Christs words who saith That the light that he hath enlightned withal shews man his evil deeds and he will not bring his deeds to it because he knows they are evil and therefore he stumbles and this is his condemnation and there you are to be condemned with the light of Christ who are querying who knows his heart and there you are manifest to be in the first nature and judgeth the light of Christ to be corrupt nature like your selves which you and your nature are to be condemned with the light of Christ which is pure and eternal which is the condemnation of you and all the world that hate it Wherein you say That we conclude that power accompanies that light to destroy every evil as it appears to them that yield up themselves to it It appears by your stumbling at this light of Christ in man that you are ignorant of the Scriptures who saith Ye are sanctified by the obedience of the Spirit And as many as receives him to them he gives power to become the sons of God And the Son makes free and he was manifest to destroy