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A65055 VindiciƦ revindicate being an answer to Mr. Baxters book intituled Catholick communion doubly defended, by Dr. Owen's vindicator and Richard Baxter, and Mr. Baxter's notions of the saints repentance and displeasure in heaven, considered / by a lover of truth and peace in sincerity. Lover of truth and peace. 1684 (1684) Wing V543; ESTC R38022 37,543 50

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sort of Wisdom I am little acquainted with I am too open and fair for such Politicks I told you the cause page 3 page 23. and page 39. You might have given your self sufficient reasons for it without asking them of others much more being told them If you could not see them there it may be to as little purpose to repeat them here I hope you do not think that Laws Penal Laws are not to be feared What were they else made for You have indeed written concerning the Diocesan established Constitution and the manner of imposing as a man that feared not the Laws But you have made such a Compensation for that by your Zeal expressed for the Lyturgy and Lay-Conformity as may plead your pardon for that wrong I believe and not I alone that by your Writings Examples and valued name serving flesh and blood with a Wind which is no friend to Losses and Crosses you have served the interest of the present Constitution beyond all that hath been said for it by those whose Station may promise the service of their utmost Abilities But for the Cause you oppose and oppose with so much heat I have not found you always of the same mind Change of Weather hath great influence on some and not only the most infirm Constitions I beg your pardon if I make a little Retrospect to your Sentiments by-past and sometime since I might begin with your Savoy-Dispute or Conference wherein 't is offered against a Lyturgy that Cold Prayers are like to have a cold Return But that being viva voce in transient breath I shall not so much insist on it but remember you of what you said elsewhere for Example But we think it was not the Jesuites that first said Out of the Abundance of the Heart the Mouth speaketh 'T is natural for the Heart to lead the Tongue And men are more affected by words which come from Affection than by those that do not And reading words written by another when we speak to God is not so natural a Signification of Desire or other Affection as speaking them from the present Dictate of the Heart for any Child can do the one and it is not the usual Signification of Seriousness in other Actions Ministers should be better acquainted than the People how to speak to God and man. It is their Office and therefore it belongeth to them to chuse the Words which are fittest and to set up a Ministry that can do neither is to befriend the Prince of Darkness against the Kingdom of Light and to be a deadly Enemy to the Church and Souls and to sit up a Ministry that need not do it is the way to set up a Ministry that cannot Let the Ministers be bound to no more than to read and a few years will transform them to such as can do no more than read Baxters second Defence of the meer Nonconformists page 15. I doubt not but there are some pious Persons among you I Censure not farther than Experience constraineth me But I know that the Common Sence of most that are serious in practical Christianity is against your formal wayes of Worship and against the Course that you have taken in this Land. And the Spirit of Prophaness Complyeth with you and doteth on you in all places that ever I was acquainted in Bear with plain Truth It is in a Cause of Everlasting Consequence There is somewhat in a graciou Soul like Health in the Body that disposeth it to Relish wholsom food and perceive more difference between it and meer Air or toyish Kick-shaws than it can easily express Baxters fifth Dispute of Church-Government Pref. page 17. Compare this with Mr. Baxters Answer to Dr. Owens twelve Arguments Page 42. And if it be the disuse of your Common-prayer that you separate from us for I would know of you Whether you would have denyed Communion with all that lived before it had a Being If this be your Religion I may ask you Where was your Religion before Luther before King Edwards day If you say in the Mass-book And what else can you say I ask you then where was it before the Mass-book had a Being Baxters fifth Dispute c. Pref. page 30. Could men have been content to have made Gods Laws the Centre and Touch-stone of the Churches Unity all had been well But when they must make Cannons for this Vesture and that Gesture and the other Ceremony and determine in what Words all men shall pray and how many words he shall say or how long he shall be and so make standing Laws upon mutable Circumstances and this without any Necessity at all but only to Domineer c. Baxters fifth Dispute page 9. They the Pharisees used long Prayers as a Cloak for their Oppression Query Whether they were a Lyturgy or not If yea so let it pass in their Character If not Then it is scarce like that there was any other Lyturgy than the Scripture in those times else it is most likely that the Pharisees would have used it Apology for Nonconformists page 95. But to set up a new sort of Jurisdiction in the Church by Legislation to make Forms and Ceremonies Obligatory and by Executions to punish Pastors that will not practice them is Lastly By this means you will harden the Papists that by their inventions and impositions have divided the Church and been guilty of so much imposition and Tyranny For how can we condemn that in them that is practiced by our selves And though in number of inventions they exceed yet it is not well to concur with them in the kind of unnecessary Impositions and so far to justifie them in their injury to the Church If none of these or other reasons will allay the imperious Distemper of the proud but they must needs by an usurped Legislation be making indifferent things become necessary to others and domineer over mens Consciences and the Church of God We must leave them to him that being Lord and Lawgiver of the Church is jealous of His Prerogative and abhorreth IDOLS and will not give His Glory to another and that delighteth to pull down the proud and humble them that Exalt themselves Baxters 5th Dispute of Church-Government page 378. That to that very Question Whether they know of any thing in the Lyturgy with which they could not comply without Sin we after gave in a Paper of eight particulars in the Lyturgy which we undertook to prove flat sin Apology for meer Nonconformists page 155. Moreover the same reasons that prevail with us will prevail with others when we are dead They will be as fearful of Lying and Perjury and of swearing Allegiance to Church-Vsurpers as we have been There will still be a People seriously Religious that are Christians in good sadness and really believe a Life to come There is no hindering it God will have it so and who can gainsay Him And these men will be as loath in point of Order and Decency