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A80160 Responsoria bipartita, sive vindiciæ suspensionis ecclesiasticæ ut et presbyterii evangelici. A double reply, containing a vindication of the antient practice of the Church (according to the rule of the word) suspending the ignorant and scandalous from the Lords Supper. As also of ecclesiastical presbyteries ... The first in answer to one M. Boatmans challenge of all the ministers on earth to make suspension of any but Turks, Jews, pagans and excommunicate persons from the Lords Supper, appear from Scriptures. In answer to whom the said censure is justified by several arguments from Scripture, and the universal practice of the Church, the magisterial vanity also of his sermon, Decem. 13. and March 28. in Peters Church in Norwich is discovered, ... In which answer also some objections of Erastus, Mr. Prin, and Mr. Humfry, are coilaterally considered, and answered. The second part in answer to Theophilus Brabourn, who hath talked something in a little pamphlet against the Lord Jesus Christ ... / By John Collings, B.D. and pastor of the church of Christ in Stephens parish in Norwich. Collinges, John, 1623-1690. 1655 (1655) Wing C5333; Thomason E832_2; ESTC R207514 201,020 319

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per annum is above ten or twelve pounds a yeare certaine legall maintenance The most of the Parishes have nothing at all Scandalous Livings are alwayes the nests of scandalous Ministers The Parishes being little and the maintenance Arbitrary and many of the people seasoned with the old leaven of ignorance and superstition many if not most of our Parishes have been either without any Minister or filled with such who were cast out of other places or at least no friends to Reformation For those Parishes in which were a more considerable number of godly and well disposed people some of them were better supplyed but in all the City we were able to doe very little to promote the worke of Reformation Some of the Congregations either wanting godly Ministers or persons fit to be chosen as Helpers with them in Government and the people in others wanting an heart to chuse yet through much opposition in two or three Parishes we procured an Election of Elders amongst which Peters was one being the most considerable place in the City and furnished both with persons fit to be chosen and a people willing to chuse and a Reverend Pastor Mr Carter fit to goe in and out before them But the yoake of Jesus Christ which is alwayes easie to a gracious heart doth always gall the necks of those who have made their lusts Lords some of the people who had the taste of the flesh pots of Aegypt yet in their mouth began to kick at this supposed burthen some withdrew their stipends in short some one way others another way tyred out their Reverend and Learned Pastor who after severall thoughts of removall from them about May last resolved upon it About that time one Master Boatman sometimes of Hull was commended to them we who were Ministers of the Gospell in the City conceived it our duty as we had opportunities to enquire of him to whom ere long it would be expected that we should give the right hand of fellowship Amongst others my selfe as I had occasion offered 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 made some Enquiry concerning him soone after speaking with a Minister who sometimes lived in Yorkshire I askt him if he knew such a Minister in their Countrey and what he was He told me he knew him very well and he was a man who would preach frequently and was a great enemy to Sectaries but himselfe was neither Minister nor Graduate Soon after a Reverend and Godly Minister of Lincolneshire comming to see me I asked him the same Questions who confirmed the same things Concerning the thing established out of the mouths of two witnesses I imparted it to two friends one a Minister the other a judicious Christian inhabiting in the Parish And this I did the rather because I heard they were about to invite him for a Probationer and I my selfe having a Moneth to spend in the University was to be absent that so if he came these things might be enquired after While I was in the University I occasionally at dinner at the Vice-chancellors chamber being at supper the same nightwith one of the Proctors met with two Ministers one at each place both of Lincolne-shire where I knew Master Boatman had his residence they both confirmed the same things adding something more which I shall spare except Master Boatman provokes me to speake it being desirous rather to vindicate my selfe then to asperse him While I was absent some of his friends had sufficiently branded me for saying he was no Graduate when as he was a Reverend man a Batchelour of Divinity forsooth of Katherine Hall One of them fell upon me face to face at my returne I told them I would not be over-confident because it was but a Report but I would soone satisfie them as to that point Thereupon I wrote a Letter by the next Post to a Learned friend Fellow of that House who certified me That he knew him very well That by admission he was two yeares my junior That for degrees he was three degrees beneath a Batchelour in Divinity having never commenced at all nor staid in the Colledge above a yeare or a yeare and halfe at utmost Some other things he certified me which I shall conceale intending only my owne vindication This was the only Letter I ever wrote to enquire of him and that in my owne vindication too though I heare he hath told his friends he hath Copies of severall Letters I wrote to that purpose Soone after this a Reverend Brother in this City had another Letter from a godly and learned Minister who was of his year and Colledge to omit other passages in the Letter he told him that he never commenced any thing but junior Sophister By all this we gathered That an Harry Sophister was the height of his University-Commencements It was now about Iuly when the Anabaptisticall party began to rage against Vniversity-Learning and Degrees We who were Ministers in this City were a little sensible if we had been satisfied concerning him upon other accounts what an ill sound it would make in the world to be heard that the greatest Congregation in so famous a City as this and a Congregation which ever had either a Doctor in Divinity or some very reverend man in it should now be supplyed with one who had given no proofe in any Universitie of his abilities or proficiencie in his Studies nor so much as taken the lowest degree in the Schooles This made some of us doe what in us lay to move those who were our sober pious friends in that Congregation to act deliberately in so weighty a worke in which the glory of God the good of the City the interest of their soules and their credit and reputation would be so much concerned and that before they agreed to his Election they would enquire concerning his later conversation and be satisfied that he were a Minister in Office at least We thought considering that juncture of time and the eminency of the place it would also be fit that at least he should be Mr of Arts. At last he came to the Towne and a party of the people elected him as their Pastor one hundred and eleven having before subscribed Master Carter a new Call promising to wait a yeare for him Diverse godly people dissented from the Election openly and the rather because he refused to satisfie them concerning his Ordination I shall referre to my Reader to enquire other passages concerning his Election About three weeks after Michaelmas he came to reside but before this he had declared himselfe for Episcopacy somthing plainly we suppose he was of another judgement when he preached at Hull He had also by this time declared himselfe to a Reverend Minister in the City for promiscuous communions and within a day or two after told a godly man pinching him upon that point that he should well see he was not for promiscuous communions soon after his comming to reside we had heard he had
Responsoria Bipartita SIVE Vindiciae suspensionis Ecclesiasticae ut et Presbyterii EVANGELICI A double Reply containing a Vindication of the antient practice of the Church according to the rule of the word suspending the ignorant and scandalous from the Lords Supper As also of Ecclesiastical Presbyteries as the subject of Church Government The first in answer to one M. Boatmans challenge of all the Ministers on earth to make suspension of any but Turks Jews Pagans and excommunicate persons from the Lords Supper appear from Scripture In answer to whom the said censure is justified by several arguments from Scripture and the universal practice of the Church the Magisterial vanity also of his Sermon Decem. 13. and March 28. in Peters Church in Norwich is discovered by animadversions on each In which answer also some objections of Erastus Mr. Prin and Mr. Humfry are collaterally considered and answered The second part in answer to Theophilus Brabourn who hath talked something in a little pamphlet against the Lord Jesus Christ as Lord of his Church and Lord of the Sabbath against whom it is proved he hath said nothing to any purpose but to discover his own weakness To which is prefixed an Epistle giving account of the whole and fully answering whatsoever Mr. Thomas Morshall in his three Sermons lately printed upon Mat. 22 8. Mr. Barksdale in a letter of his dated May 26. 1652. and printed with a disputation at Winchcomb Nov. 9. 1653. and Mr. Timson in his late book in answer to Dr. Drake have said in these for promiscuous communion By JOHN COLLINGS B.D. and Pastor of the Church of Christ in Stephens Parish in Norwich In ipsa Catholica Ecclesia magnopere curardum est ut id teneamus quod ubique quod semper quod ab omnibus creditum est hoc est enim vere proprieque Catholicum Vincent Lirinensis con haer cap. 3. London Printed by H. Hills for Richard Tomlins and are to be sold at his house at the sign of the Sun and Bible neer Py-Corner To all those who love the Lord Iesus in sincerity especially such of them whose lot is cast in the City of NORWICH Beloved Friends and Brethren IT is not for my own sake nor for the sake of those who are my Brethren in the work of reformation here or elsewhere that I am come out into these lists both my self and I suppose all of them could either have been content to have come up to Mr. Boatmans principles and practice and so endeared our selves to all our people or at least have born with patience the names of Pharisees Dremers such as do things wiser ages never thought of Recusants Presbyterian Reformadoes Calvins fellows which are the Rhetorical terms that M. John Boatman M. Thomas Marshall have bestowed upon us securing our selves in the assurance of our innocence and pittying their ignorance who if they had been better acquainted with the Scriptures and the practice of the Church would have spake more modestly Nor is it for their sakes because I think they have said any thing worth the answering We know 't is an easy thing for one to stand in a pulpit and cry out against the way of God as a Pharisaical way a Pharisaical invention a dream an impleding Scripture and to set upon the Title page of a book The Kings censure of Recusdants he that hath but got a mastery over his conscience and a bold face may do such things cheap enough In the mean time we know the Gentlemen will eat their words when they are challenged for them It is for your sakes dearly beloved Brethren and for our Lord Jesus Christs sake and for his Churches sake that we cannot be silent for the Lords sake whose sacred Ordinance we cannot with patience see prostituted and his blood counted as an unholy thing For his Churches sake that what she hath believed and practised in all times and ages might neither be judged heresy or novelty for your sakes that you may not be seduced by the great adversary of reformation or any that drive on his designs though possibly not wittingly into an alienation of heart from and an enmity to the great work of the Lord in cleansing the Sanctuary and refining of Zion which we have hoped the Lord is about in England and hath been for some years yea and for their souls sake who are angry with us that we will not let them eat and drink judgement to themselves towards the good of whose souls our bowells yern and we are loth that by our means they should increase their guilt and more and more harden themselves to eternall ruin was it not my beloved Brethren the burthen that lay upon the souls of the old Non-Conformists that there was no bar to keep any from the Lords Table but one which superstition made was it our just grief then that we had no bar and is it our work now to remove the bars yea the Lords and the Churches antient land marks shall not the Popish faction rise up in judgement against us at the last day and say Aquinas Vasquez Bonaventura Lord we disputed whither a secret sinner might be received to the Sacrament and these reformers plead for open sinners receiving yea and the Prelatical party which we condemned shall say Lord we gave the Minister authority to keep any from the Sacrament for any notorious sins yea for speaking against the prayer book or the Kings authority in things Ecclesiastical These pretend to reform us and cryed out against us yet do not only admit but plead for the admission of such as speak against Jesus Christ the great King of Zion Thus we have justified our Elder Sister Sodom and our younger Samaria yea neither of them would plead for the wickedness which we do This hath brought me into the lists now I am there I shall desire but fair play If our adversaries can prove all primitive Churches and modern Churches in an errour and themselves onely in the right though we must needs be concluded to err with good company yet I hope I shall not stop my ears against due conviction But we must crave leave to try them with the two weapons of Scriptural Reason and Antiquity to prove that we are not cowards in this Cause of God Since my book was sent to the Press three others have came to my hands all pleading for promiscuous communions I crave your patience for a backblow for them much of them I have answered before hand I shall subjoin a few animadversions more upon what they have in them An answer to Mr. Thomas Marshall The first contains two or thee Sermons preached by one Mr. T. Marshall on Matth 22.8 As I discern in him a spirit which from any Sober man deserves rather flight than answer from those ill favoured passages p. 21. where he chargeth us with sequestring first the bodily bread from the Pastors and then the bread of Christ from the peoples
on your own soules I have quitted mine hands this day before God and his people Looke to your selves if your consciences tell you that you have not owned the Gospell that you have been ashamed of Religion that you have walked in evill If your conversation bespeake your irregularities I beseech you reforme refraine It would be the greatest happiness and joy that ever I met withall in all my life to have that scoffe become a reall truth that you might prove all Saints at St Peters that I might be able to present you to God as your Pastor an holy and unblameable and peculiar Congregation Brethren I beseech you labour as much as in you lies by considering and laying to heart what hath been said to refraine from those lusts which have been prevalent in your spirits In the next place to you that have not run into the same excesse of riot and I blesse God with and for you but I have one exhortation to give you that you would be pleased to fill your soules with charity Look to your selves beleeve every man his Brother better than himselfe this is Evangelicall counsell Some will say I see such and such profane advise them hast thou done that If not thou hast sinned against the Gospell and his sin is not so much his as thine dost thou cry out of him and hast not prayed for him particularly admonished him and soberly that for the time to come he would take a better course hast thou done it with moderation meeknesse sobriety tendernesse and seasonably restored thy brother overtaken Raile not revile him not cry not out against him make not his private sin publike let not every one take notice of it of which thou takest notice do not sin against thy Brothers soule But some are not yet satisfied if the profane be admitted and the Sacrament be administred promiscuously the Ordinance will be defiled A pretty dreame Is not the Word as soone defiled because a profane man heares it As soone that may as the Sacrament what is another mans receiving unto thee if thou receivest worthily I do not remember the Scripture tells us that any man got any hurt by the man that came without the wedding garment nor did any man ever the more shun the roome or cast him out only indeed the Master came and he turned him out Let the profane take heed left they be turned out Christ may find them out For this cause many are sick and weake c. and he may cast them into utter darknesse But although Christ hath this authority I know no Minister hath any such What have we to do if it be thus Only these two things and I desire you especially of this Congregation to joine with me in an humble and serious confession to God of our former practises 2. As heartily to renew solemnly your Covenant made in Baptisme against the flesh the world and the devill you know how guilty you have been all of the breach of it That once done I will take upon me on good grounds to call you holy to the Lord and seriously invite you to this worke In this last Paragraph the greatest part of it is something better than ordinary men of this Gang could not so securely raile against examination by Eldeships and enquiries after the flock if they did not pretend for a great deale of zeale for private examination There were some of old that to devoure widdows houses the better made long prayers I wish that all the pretended strictnesse of some for selfe-examination be not only a vizard to mock the world with while they rob the Church of the divine Ordinances of Presbyteries and Suspension c. But yet in this Paragraph First he ownes all that he hath said before and tels his people It is the truth and nothing but the truth of God apply this to all he had said before That Suspension was a dreame a meere dreame a pharisaic all invention for which was not the least footstep in Gods word that no power under heaven hath any seeming or semblable authority to keepe any from the Sacrament that will press to it on their own score That those who do it are proud uncharitable intruders upon Christs Office that former Ages never thought of it all this is the truth he saith and nothing but the truth of God yea and he saith it againe That it is not in the power of any particular Minister or Congregation without cleare conviction and condemnation to keep any away what he meanes by Conviction and Condemnation he told us before three or foure times over they must be Excommunicated Whether a single Minister hath power or no is a question some make but Mr Boatman hath no reason for he owneth no Eldership and the Rubrick allowed it to a single Minister in some cases but he had expounded himselfe before No power on earth can do it And in the very next words here If he will rush no man hath any thing to do with him And now he tels his people If they will rush they may their bloud he upon their soules he hath quitted his hands c. Thus Mat. 26.24 Pilate when he had condemned Christ tooke water and washed his hands saying I am innocent of the bloud of this just person see ye to it It is a good wish he wisheth that the scoffe might become a reall truth that all were Saints at Peters The scoffe he referreth to we know not unlesse it were one raised by one of his own friends who having got their Pastor amongst them to a cup of Sack and a pipe of Tobacco merrily told an honest man that such a night their Pastor and some of Peters Christians were at such a place conferring together whence some called those who frequent such meetings Peters Christians But the wish was good His next counsell is good only he should have told his people that if the offence be notorious and publike that private admonition shall not need precede Him that sinneth openly rebuke openly saith the Apostle He feares some will thinke the Ordinance is defiled if the profane be admitted this he calls a pretty dreame and saies the Word is as much d●filed c. To this I shall speake hereafter with Mr Boatmans leave though the Ordinance be not capable of any intrinsecall pollution yet the Communion is defiled by enduring profane persons in it 1 Cor. 5.6 if the Apostle knew what he said yea and the people that communicate are defiled if they do not their duty admonishing them informing the Church c. to be sure the Officers of the Church are defiled for it was their duty to have hept them away But Mr Boatman doth not remember any man got hurt by the presence of him that wanted the wedding garment nor shunned the roome for him only the Master came and turned him out 1. Before this will prove any thing to the purpose he must prove that the Supper there mentioned was