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A07486 Luthers predecessours: or an ansvvere to the question of the Papists: Where was your church before Luther? Bedford, Thomas, d. 1653. 1624 (1624) STC 1787; ESTC S114052 16,219 32

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and yet remaine members of the Church a taske that will neuer fadge well especially with them in their mutinous multitude and rabble of religious orders yea let them then call to minde how weakely Harding hath defended his answere of Bishop Iewels challenge or let them answere Perkins Problem and prooue where their Church was before the Trent Councell for it will asmuch trouble them to name a company of men in all points professing the Trent faith as vs to finde a company of men professing in all points the doctrine of the reformed religion But if they giue vs liberty to make challenge to them who in the most and greatest points haue agreed with vs which is but reasonable then in the next place we desire to grow to a point and agree vpon the maine points of difference betwixt vs and them All which in generall do concerne either the offices of Christ or the fruites of his office the which by their doctrine are ouerthrowne For first the kingly office of Christ is ouerthrowne by the supremacy of the Pope which draweth with it the pride of the Clergy and exaltation of them aboue the temporall power Secondly the Propheticall office is ouerthrowne by their silencing the Scripture and by giuing such liberty to the Church yea and to the Pope to frame articles of faith Thirdly the Priestly office is ouerthrowne in the worke of satisfaction by Merits Indulgences Purgatory c. In the worke of Application by their abuses thrust into the Sacraments especially Transubstantiation reall Presence Exorcismes c. by their false sacraments which were neuer appointed by Christ as meanes of application In the worke of Intercession by Angels Saints Images whom they haue made their mediators of intercession Lastly the fruites of Christs office redounding to vs by the mediation of Christ is our Iustification before God which doctrine they haue laboured to ouerthrow Now to the point this our taske wee are to shew forth the names of such men who haue consented with vs in the opposition of the Supremacy exemption of the Clergy from Ciuill iurisdiction in the authority of the Scriptures and in the communicating of them to the people in condemning Merits Indulgences Purgatory Transubstantiation reall presence intercession of Saints and Angels Image worship Pilgrimage in the doctrine of our free iustification by faith and such other points which are controuerted betwixt vs and the Church of Rome And this wee will doe first in the instance of our owne Countrimen and then proceed to others Know all men therefore by these presents that about the yeere of Grace 1370. in the time of Edward the third King of England at what time all the world was in most desperate and vile estate and that lamentable ignorance and darkenesse of Gods truth had ouer-shaddowed the Church most Iohn Wickliffe who almost 200. yeeres before Luther by the especiall prouidence of God was raised vp here in England to detect more fully and amply the poison of the Popes doctrine and to purge Religion from those dregs and filthinesse with which it was defiled a Professor of Diuinitie was he in Oxford a man of note in his time and of famous memory in the ages following For after hee had begunne to publish some conclusions touching the Doctrine of the Sacrament and other abuses of the Church which boyle and sore could not be touched without the great paine and griefe of the world hee was much infested with the Monkes and Friers who like Hornets did assaile the good man on euery side After them the Priests tooke the matter in hand and Symon Sudbery Archbishop depriued him of his Benefice in Oxford yet by the friendly and fauourable assistance of Iohn of Gaunt Duke of Lancaster and Henry Percy Earle Marshal being also befriēded of the King who had heretofore made vse of him in an Ambassage he bore out the malice of the Friers and of the Archbishop all the dayes of Edward the third and of Pope Vrban who being busied in suppressing his aduersary Clement the seuenth could not spare any time to deale with Wickliffe and so it came to passe by Gods prouidence that the truth began to take some place and roote in mens hearts Afterward in the beginning of Richard the 2. and of Gregory the eleuenth his aduersaries espied their time and incensed the Pope against him who sendeth foorth his Bull to the Vniuersity of Oxford and an Epistle to the King with diuers Letters to the Bishops dated all 11. kal. of Iune in the seuenth yeere of his Pontificality 1378. By which it appeareth that Wicklife was a man of note and that these things were not done in a corner but that his preaching had taken effect So that the Bishops had neede of the Popes owne helpe to suppresse him and his abettors the which although they attempted yet could they not bring to passe his commendation testified by the Vniuersitie is this That hee behaued himselfe as a stout Champion of the Faith neither was hee conuict of any heresie and God forbid saith the Testimoniall that our Prelates should haue condemned a man of such honesty of heresie His bookes were many and spred abroade not only throughout England but also by occasion of Queene Anne wife to Richard the second sister to Wenceslaus King of Bohemia carried into Bohemia whence Iohn Husse learned the beginnings of his knowledge Thus was this man a most worthy instrument in the Church of God like a bright Starre shining farre and neere Now for his conclusions which are recorded for his they are many gathered by his aduersaries and therefore if in all points they sound not so well as we could desire yet certainely wee may beleeue that they were not so bad as some of them are deliuered Wee finde that in a Conuention at London 1382. May 17. they proceeded to the condemnation of his articles some as hereticall some as erroneous The which also were afterward presented to the Councell of Constance with diuers others to the number of 45. in all and by the same Councell condemned the which for breuitie sake I haue collected vnto their seuerall heads 1. Touching the supremacy hee held that it is not necessary to saluation to beleeue that the Church of Rome is supreme head of all Churches That the Church of Rome is the Synagogue of Satan Neither is the Pope immediately the Vicar of Christ nor his Apostles and that the Excommunication of the Pope and his Prelates is not to bee feared because it is the censure of Antichrist 2. Concerning religious orders which are the tayle of Antichrist he taught That those holy men as Francis Dominick Benedict c which haue instituted priuate religions whatsoeuer they be in so doing haue grieuously offended And such who do found Monasteries doe offend and sin so all such who enter into such religions are thereby vnable to keepe the commandements of God as also to attaine to the Kingdome of heauen except they