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A01948 The state-mysteries of the Iesuites, by way of questions and answers. Faithfully extracted out of their owne writings by themselues published. And a catalogue prefixed of the authors names which are cited in this booke. Written for a premonition in these times both to the publike and particular. Translated out of French; Mysteres des peres jesuites. English Rivet, André, 1572-1651.; Gosselin, Peter. 1623 (1623) STC 12092; ESTC S120862 30,376 63

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all iudgement for to depend wholly vpon the iudgement and will of another NOVICE. If by that other you meane God it is a great impietie to gainsay that we should not altogether subiect our will to his will and our iudgement to his iudgement and I hold him for a manifest Hereticke that denyeth it IESVITE Nay now thou shewest that thou art but a Nouice it is not that which we blame in the Heretikes and Politicians for they confesse as much as thou sayest but by another wee meane our Superiours whose will our Father Ignatius would haue vs hold to be Diuine And we are not to regard Whether this Superior hath wisdome or goodnesse or other gifts of God that our obedience may not in any thing be diminished or whether he be not capable of great counsell or whether he be not prudent because wee are to regard that he holdeth the place of him which cannot be deceiued who will supply any defect he may haue of prudence and probitie And it is to be noted That your obedience shall be imperfect if it mount not to that degree not onely to execute the action which hee commandeth you exteriourly but also that you transforme your will into the will of your superiour otherwise it will not merit the name of vertue And therefore it is that we reade how obedience is better then sacrifice the reason whereof is deliuered by S. Gregory because in sacrifices the flesh of a thing was offered and by obedience one offereth his owne will which is an excellent part of the soule NOVICE. I had thought till now that sacrifice was not to be offered to any but onely vnto God which was the cause why I beleeued that when you spake of renouncing all a mans will for to obey another which is as you teach me now to sacrifice ones owne will it was not to be done to any but vnto God alone IESVITE Therein thou wert mistaken not to regard in the person of thy Superiour Iesus Christ himselfe who is supreme wisedome immense goodnes infinite charitie that cannot be deceiued neyther will deceiue thee And this we must doe according to the instruction of S. Ignatius who would not haue vs question whether he that commandeth vs doth it well or ill Recténe an secus for then by obedience wee render our freewill vnto him from whom we receiued it Now if as Cardinal Tollet teacheth a simple Countriman that beleeueth his Bishop propounding some Hereticall doctrine vnto him in the articles of faith meriteth in beleeuing it although it be an error because hee is bound to beleeue vntill he knoweth that it is repugnant to the Church Why should not we yeeld as much to our Superiours and why should not we hope to merit if we doe that which they command vs without farther inquiry euen when they command euill It is they that shall answer for it NOVICE. I wholly submit my selfe to beleeue you that I may not lose the fruit of obedience and renounce mine owne vnderstanding to approue this doctrine which I would entreat you to declare me somewhat more particularly in regard that therein consisteth our Proprium quarto modo our principall marke IESVITE I will doe it in our Father Ignatius owne termes who hath prescribed vnto vs for an article of faith How wee are to hold for most infallible that whatsoeuer our Superiour commandeth is the commandement and will of God and by consequent that with all our heart with all our consent wee labor to do all that the Superiour biddeth out of a certaine blinde impetuositie of the will desirous to obey without any enquiry at all as wee imploy all our consent to beleeue The Articles of our Faith and as Abraham did when God commanded him to offer his sonne Isaac NOVICE. This being once granted as needs it must seeing the iudgement of our Father Ignatius is diuine nothing shall be impossible to our Societie and as long as there are those which haue vowed this obedience so long shall wee haue men capable to execute the most difficult and hazardous enterprises But be pleased I pray to tell mee whom wee are to take for our superiours which haue this power ouer vs. IESVITE Blessed Ignatius shall answer thee himselfe That which I haue said of obedience equally appertaineth to priuate persons towards their nearest superiours as to Rectors of Colledges and such as are ordained for Presidents in each place towards their Prouincials to Prouincials towards their Generall to the Generall towards him whom God hath established ouer him namely his Vicar vpon earth NOVICE. What are wee to beleeue of this Vicar which is our holy Father the Pope IESVITE That he is the vniuersall Monarch of the whole Church her head her spouse and consequently aboue her That hee is the fundamentall stone of which Esay speaketh saying I will send into Sion a stone a tryed stone a pretious corner stone a sure foundation hee that beleeueth shall not make haste For although the Apostles S. Peter and S. Paul haue applyed it to Christ yet so it is that it is spoken there of a foundation after a foundation of the second foundation not of the first as Cardinall Bellarmine learnedly obserueth NOVICE. Must it be vnderstood that the holy Father is aboue the whole Church both in spirituall and temporall things IESVITE It must howbeit with this moderation whereof we make vse to content the scrupulous that temporall things depend on him so farre forth as they serue to spirituall and that for the good of them the Pope hath soueraigne power to dispose of the temporall estates of all Christians Because the Ciuill power is subiect to the Spirituall and euery superiour may command his inferiour NOVICE. Doe you apply this to Kings and Kingdomes IESVITE It is to that vse for which this doctrine chiefly serueth and it needeth no further explication seeing that so many effects haue sufficiently declared the application thereof NOVICE. I but yet I would desire you to furnish me with some Maximes for the ease of my memory according as they haue beene registred by the most approued Authors of our Societie IESVITE With all mine heart And in the first place Cardinall Bellarmine shall teach thee That the spirituall power may depose Princes and place others in their steads when as it cannot otherwise conserue its spirituall estate And Father Suarez That the power of the Pope extendeth to the repression of Kings by temper all paines and by priuation of their Kingdomes when necessity requireth Also That the Pope hath as much power ouer temporall Princes yea ouer such as are absolute and soueraigne as ouer the other faithfull or baptised Christians not onely to represse them by censuring their faults but also to punish them with temporall and corporall paines Further That this power is much more necessary for the repression of Princes then of subiects