iudgement of the Church for saith Stapleton Although the Church by reason of her Ministerie and Mastership receiued of God Stapl. lib. 3. de author Scrip. c. 12. doth cause vs to beleeue yet the reason wherefore wee beleeue is not the Church but God speaking within vs and witnessing his trueth vnto vs by his holy Spirit Thus briefly touching the authoritie of the Church now I proceed to our aduersaries claim touching the Vniuersalitie of it Lessius the Iesuite tells vs The Church of Rome Sola Ecclesia Romana eique adhaerens multitudo Ecclesia Catholica c. Less in Consult Consid 6. and that Church onely and the multitude adhering to it is the Catholique Church the Religion of this Church is Catholique the faith is Catholique the doctrine is Catholique and their followers are tearmed Catholikes What is properly vnderstood by the Catholike Church St. Austen deliuers in these words Non haec aut illa It is not this Church Toto orbe diffusa Aug. de rudibus Catech c. 20. or that Church but the Church dispersed throughout the whole world Maiores nostri Catholicā nominarunt vt ex ipso nomine ostenderent quia per totum est Aug de Vnit Eccles cap. 2. and from hence Our Ancestours named the Church Catholique that by that name they might demonstrate the Vniuersall If then the Church of Rome can prooue their Church Vniuersall there would be an end of all controuersies for we professe our selues to bee members of the vniuersall Church wee say that Church can neither erre totally nor finally and wee willingly grant that out of that Church there is no saluation But certainly this last Tenet doeth strongly euince that the Roman Church is not Vniuersall for Saint Stephen and St. Iames and others suffered Martyrdome and were saued in the Church of Hierusalem and in the Church of Antioch before the Church of Rome was euer heard of and they were all members of the vniuersall Church But let the Church of Rome claime what title or prerogatiue she list shee is in danger to fall vpon a Rocke for if shee confesse that shee is a particular Church shee stands subiect vnto errour if shee assume the title of Vniuersall she is altogether invisible for Vniuersale sentitur non videtur That which is Vniuersall is vnderstood not seene It is the Article of our Creed I beleeue the Catholique Church and Hoc enim veracitèr dicitur credi quod non potest videri Greg. Dial. 4. c. 4. that is truely said to bee beleeued which is inuisible saith Gregorie And that the world may know the Romanists are Nominals such as vaunt of the name of Catholikes as the Donatists did in the Primitiue Church when they want the nature of the thing it selfe their owne Waldensis who well vnderstood how to make a difference betwixt the particular Roman and the Vniuersal Catholike Church tels vs Wald. de doctr Fidei lib. 2. art 2. cap. 19. The Church whose faith neuer faileth according to the promise made to Peter is not any particular Church as the Church of Africa nor the particular Romane Church but the Vniuersall Church not gathered together in a Generall Councell which hath sometimes erred but it is the Catholique Church dispersed through the whole world from the Baptisme of Christ vnto our times which doeth hold and maintaine the true Faith and faithfull testimony of Iesus Neither was this the particular opinion of one priuate man but many Bishops and learned Doctors did professe publikely in the Councell of Ferara Quacunque facultate Romana Eccles praedita sit vniuersali Ecclesiae inferior sit Concil Ferar Sess 10 With whatsoeuer power the Church of Rome is indued yet it is inferiour to the Vniuersall Church And if wee require a cloud of witnesses behold both Princes and Cardinalls and Bishops in the great Councell of Basil resolued and declared Ecclesia Romana non est vniuersa sed est de vniuersalitate corporis mystici Concil Basil in Appendice That the Church of Rome is not Vniversall but a part of that vniversall mystical body of Christ as appeareth by Gregorie Therefore for as much as it is a member of the said body it is not neither can it be the Head of the same body since there is a difference betwixt Head and members Thus if wee looke for Infallibilitie it is not found in the Romane Church If wee looke for the Authoritie of the Church it is inferiour to the Scriptures vnlesse they say the Scripture is vnder the Church as some say the Sunne is vnder a cloud when it is aboue it If wee looke for Vniuersalitie the Romane Church is but a member and no sound member of the Vniuersall Let vs therefore examine in particular where or in whome wee shall finde this Church which doeth assume those great and glorious Titles to her selfe SECT XIX The Church which our Aduersaries so much magnifie amongst themselues is finally resolued into the Pope whom they make both the Husband and the Spouse the Head and the Body of the Church SAint Matthew tels vs that our Sauiour Christ gaue charge to Saint Peter as well as to the rest of his Disciples that if any dissention did happen which they could not well reconcile among themselues they should tell the Church If Saint Peter himselfe was commaunded to tell the Church and the Pope bee St. Peters Successor it would somewhat trouble a doubtful Recusant how to vnderstand and beleeue the Pope for the Church for if Christ had taken Peter for the Church it is not probable hee would haue bid him tell the Church for that had beene all one as to bid the Church tell the Church Yes Postremò dicere Ecclesiae id est sibi ipsi Bel. de Concil author lib. 2. cap. 19. saith Bellarmine the Pope ought to tell it to the Church that is to himselfe I take not vpon me to answer this learned Cardinall but I dare avowe that this Exposition of Scripture is not according to the Article of his faith with the vniforme consent of Fathers Howbeit by this solution of Dic Ecclesiae wee are informed where and in whom wee may finde the Romane Church Gretzerus the Iesuite puts the question touching the Pope and returnes his answere in this manner Ais tertio interpretátur Ecclesiam Papā non abnuo quid tum Gretz def c. 10. l. 31. de verbo Dei Thou saiest they interpret the Church the Pope I graunt it what then yet wee may doubt of his sentence for how can wee bee certaine that he erres not Yes saith hee from these sayings I will giue thee the keyes c. The gates of Hell shall not preuaile c. Whatsoeuer thou bindest shall bee bound c. But who shall iudge of the sense of these places How shall I know those things are spoken of the Pope From Ecclesiasticall Tradition from the consent of our Elders from the Suffrage of
made to this Councell Bell. de PoÌ„t lib. 4. c. 11. Bellarmine replies This Councell was deceiued by the Presidents of former Councels This generall Councell then did not onely erre but by this rule wee hath no certaintie that other Councells are free from errour And to speake plainely and truely this accursed Councell that by blood and vsurpation first set afoot the worship of Images This Synod saith Vspergensis was reiected in the Councel of Frankford Vsperg an 793. â—ig de Act. 6. 7. Syn. ad Lectorem as vtterly void and not to be named the Seuenth nor any thing else In the ninth Age In the yeere 867 The 9. Age. Ann. 800. to 9â—0 the Eight Generall Councell of Constantinople decreed with the consent of 383 Bishops that whomsoeuer Photius Turrian li. de 6. 7. 8. Synod p 93 Patriarke of Constantinople did depose or excommunicate the Pope might not restore nor absolue and whomsoeuer the Pope did depose or excommunicate Photius might not absolue nor restore Touching this Synod Bellar. de Conc. auth lib. 2. c. 11. Bellarmine answers This Councell did erre because the Popes Legates did contrary to the Popes instructions He that shal read the Decrees Canons of a Generall Councell ratified and declared by almost 400 Bishops would thinke it strange that they al could erre in a point of faith viz. touching the Popes Supremacie and it is no lesse to be wondred that the Popes Legats either through ignorance or wilfulnes should so much digresse from the Popes instructions as to determine things contrary to his command but the truth is as the former Councell by the Cardinals confession was led by the Presidents of other Councels to oppose the Popes Supremacy so likewise this CouÌ„cell had power and authoritie in their dayes to create and confirme their Decrees and Canons against Head and members notwithstanding the Pope or his Legats had imposed contrary instructions In the tenth Age In the yeere 963 The 10. age Ann. 900. to 1000. a Roman Councell vnder Otho the Emperour was called wherein Pope Iohn the twelfth was deposed and Leo the eighth was substituted in his room This Synod saith Binius was vnlawfull Bin Not. in Conc. Rom. sub Ottone p. 155. because the Bishops assembled without the Popes authoritie And thus one CouÌ„cell did erre being misled by the presidents of others a second for want of good Instructions a third for want of a right calling yet all tend to this rather to condemne all Councels of errours then suffer the Popes Supremacie and an Article of Romish Faith which almost all Councels did condemne should bee violated and infringed The 11. age Ann. 1000 to 1100. In the eleuenth Age In the yeere 1059 a Councell at Rome was called vnder Pope Nicholas the Second Conc Rom. sub Nich. 2. where it was decreed Not onely the Sacrament of Christs body but the very body of Christ was handled broken and chewed with the teeth of the faithfull This decree was thought very doubtfull and dangerous by the Romanists themselues insomuch as the Glosse vpon Gratian giues this caueat Grat de Conscer dâ—st 2. cap. Ego Berengarius Vnlesse you rightly vnderstand these words of Berengarius Recantation you will fall into a greater heresie then Berengarius himselfe And hence wee may learne that a Councell confirmed by the Pope which Bellarmine saith cannot erre decreed that doctrine of faith which neither the Pope nor his Church dare avow for Catholique Doctrine at this day In the twelfth Age In the yeere 1120 The 12. age Ann. 1100. to 1200. the Councell of Turon decreed That the Eucharist giuen to sicke folkes Burchard lib. 5. c. 9. should bee dipped in the cup that the Priest might truely say The bodie and blood of our Lord Iesus Christ Bellarmine saith Bellar. de Euch. lib. 4. cap 26. that this Decree was amended for in the third Councell of Bracara the bread was forbidden to bee dipped and it is obiected that Christ did giue it in both kinds distinctly the bread apart by it selfe and the cup by it selfe although the Councell did not therevpon conclude it should bee giuen in both kinds Idem Ibid. Heere wee see Councell against Councell and by Bellarmines testimony neither of both decreeing an Article of Faith according to Christs Institution The 13. age Ann. 1200. to 1300. In the thirteenth Age In the yeere 1215 the Councell of Lateran was called and many things saith Platina were consulted vpon Venêre multa tum quidem in consultationeÌ„ nec decerni tamen quicquid apertè potuit Plat. de vitâ Innocent 3. but nothing plainely defined by reason of some wars which Pope Innocentius sought to compose and died at Perusium But Math. Paris who was liuing at that time professeth plainly ConciliuÌ„ illud generale qà more Papali graÌ„dia fronte primâ praesetulit in visum et scoÌ„mam desiit Math Par. Hist Min. That the same Generall Councell which made a great flourish at the first ended in ieasts and laughter whereby all the Arch-bishops Bishops Abbots Deanes Archdeacons and all commers to the Councell were deluded And hence wee may learne what certaintie of faith the Romanists are like to haue for their grand poynt of Transubstantiation where it was first decreed for an Article of beliefe when as by the testimonie of their owne Writers there was nothing plainely defined and the whole Councell concluded in ieasts and laughter In the fourteenth Age In the yeere 1302 The 14 age Ann. 1300. to 1400. Pope Boniface the Eight called a Councell at Rome where he excommunicated Philip the French King and about the same time the King summons a Councell at Paris and therein appeales from the Popes sentence and incites his Prelats and Barons against him Naucl. An. 1300. Parir Mas in vita Bonif 8. and withall publikely declares That the Pope was worthy to bee deposed for heresie for symonie for murther and other capitall offences This is witnessed by their owne Nauclerus and Papirius Massonus in the life of Boniface Here you may see Councell against Councell the one contending for the Pope the other for the Emperour the Bishops of Italie maintaining Appeales to the Pope the Bishops of France coÌ„manding Appeales to the Councell the one withstanding the Supremacie of the Bishop of Rome the other obeying it as an Article of Faith yet both members of one body and professing one and the same Faith vnder one Head the Pope And hence we may obserue there is no Vnitie betwixt Head and Members no consent among the Bishops to rely vpon Councels In the fifteenth Age In the yeere 1409 The 15. age Ann. 1400. to 1500. the Councell of Pisa was called by the Pope but is now condemned by the Inquisitors in their Catalogue of bookes forbidden and the reason is giuen by their owne Authors Gregory the twelfth Index Expurg Madrid p. 22.
Church of Rome which of long time did reuolt from Christ secretly was neere revolting from him openly And in the Raigne of Henry the first Ann. 1100. inseratur The Church of Leodium sends forth this complaint In time past I was wont to Interpret Fulke in Rhem. Testam p 892. that Peter by Babylon did signifie Rome because at that time it was confused with Idolatrie and filthynesse but now my sorrow doth interpret vnto mee Plerique omnes boni iuâ—i aperti ingenuâ— simplices tum imperiuÌ„ Antichristi coepisse quod ea quae Christê° seruator no fleâ— tot antè annos praecixerat euenisse teÌ„pore cernebant c. Auent de Tyrannide Pontificis that Peter calling the Church together in Babylon foresaw by the Spirit of Prophecie that confusion of dissention wherwith the Church at this day is rent in peeces And saith Sigebert All good men and iust and honest and ingenious men held that the Kingdome of Antichrist was then begunne because they saw the accomplishment of those things which our Sauiour had so long time foretold In the twelfe Age Ann. 1100. to 1200. Honorius of Authun in France openly cries out Verte te ad ciues Babiloniae et vide veni hâ—c ad supercilii montes vt cuncta possis cernere aed ficia damnatae ciuitatis verte te ad CleruÌ„ et in uenies ibi Bestia tentortum Dei seruitiuÌ„ negliguÌ„t sacerdotium per inunditiam postuunt populum per simulationeÌ„ seducunt omnes Scripturas ad salâ—teÌ„ pertinentes ab dicant c. Honor. August in Dialog de Praedest lib. Arbitr Mat. Paris in Hent 3. Turne thee to the Citizens of Babylon and see what they are ascend to the toppe of the Mountaine from whence thou mayest behold all the buildings of that damned Citie consider the principall persons there and thou shalt find the Sea of the Beast In the Cleargie thou shalt find the Beasts Tent for they neglect the seruice of God pollute his Priesthood seduce his people reiect all the Scriptures which belong vnto Saluation And Mathew Paris describeth the state of the Church of England vnder Gregory and Innocent In those dayes Faith waxed cold and scarsely seemed to sparkle being almost brought to ashes Religion is become base and vile and the Daughter of Sion is a bold faced Harlot without shame He further complaines that the Monkes and Fryars of that Age did wholly neglect the Preaching of Gods Word and for that cause he pretends there was a deuised Epistle sent from Hell to the holy Fraternities Math. Paris in Will Conquer Wherein Sathan and all the company of Hell did s nd thankes to the whole Ecclesiastical Order that wheras in nothing they were wanting to their owne pleasures they suffered by their neglect of Preaching such a number of soules vnder them to go to hell Lat. abbots Bishops p. 383. as no Ages past had seene the like And Robertus Gallus reputed a famous Preacher in those times amongst certaine visions of his owne shewes vs That in those dayes there was scarse any bloud or life remaining in the members of the Church when as the Doctrin which is the soule and life of the Church OrabaÌ„ flexis genibus erecta facie ad coeluÌ„ iuxta Altare Sancti Iacobi Parisiis c Robertus Gallus was altered and decayed I did pray saith hee on my knees with my face towards heauen neere to the Altar at St. Iames at Paris on the right hand and I saw in the ayre before me the body of the onely high Priest clad in white Silken robes and his backe was towards the East with his hands lifted up towards the West Morney Myst of Iniqu pa. 401 or 434. as Priests vsually stand while they say Masse I did not see his head and beholding wishly whether he were altogether without a head or no I saw his head leane and withered as if it had bene all of wood and the Spirit of the Lord said this signifieth the state of the Roman Church Ann. 1200. to 1300. In the thirteenth Age Grosted Bishop of Lincolne complained of many errors in the Church Innocent 4. in Math. Paris in Henr. 3.844 847. 848. and sought for a reformation and for that cause we may read in Mathew Paris the Pope resolued to Excommunicate and accurse him but this Bishop withstood the Popes Bulles and for his courage in that good cause was termed Romanorum malleus the Hammer of the Roman Church neither did hee oppose those abuses alone but the Cardinalls at that time withstood the Pope in his behalfe affirmed that the things wherewith hee charged the Pope were most true and thereupon they answered the Pope it was not safe for him so to proceede lest a tumult should follow especially say they seeing it is knowne there must bee a departure from vs and a forsaking of the Roman See Petrarch who well vnderstood the Doctrine of those times in his Latine Epistles which are full of wisdome and grauitie tells them Noui expertus c. I speake of my knowledge Noui expertus vt nulla ibi pietas nulla charitas nulla fides nulla Dei reuerentia in the Pope and his followers there is neither Faith godlinesse nor Truth the Popes Chaire is the Chaire of lying that is a defection a reuolt an apostacie of people which vnder the Standard of Christ rebell against Christ and fight for Satan they esteeme the Gospell for a Fable and the promises of the life to come for lyes About the same time Michael Cecenas Generall of the Order of Franciscans affirming the different opinions of different Members in the same Church Mich Cecenas contr Tyrannid Papae proclaimeth There were two Churches the one of the wicked sort flourishing in which the Pope raigned the other of godly and good men and this Church he presecuted In the fourteenth Age Ann. 1300. to 1400. Occham a learned Schooleman makes this complaint Alas the time of which the blessed Apostle prophecied when men will not suffer wholesome doctrine c. This Prophecie is altogether fulfilled in our dayes for behold there are many that peruert the holy Scriptures deny the sayings of the holy Fathers reiect the Canon of the Church molest persecute and bring into bondage and without mercy torment and afflict euen vnto death them that defend the trueth so that wee may rightly say of our times Occham procl com err Iohan. 22. that which Daniel long since pronounced Iniquitie is gone from Babylon from the Elders and Iudges which seemed to gouerne and rule the people for many that should bee Pillars in the Church of God and defend the trueth euen vnto blood cast themselues headlong into the pit of Heresies Ann. 1400. to 1500. In the fifteenth Age Gerson the Chancellour of Paris bids you open your eyes Gers declarat defect virorum and see if the Houses of