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A41536 The tryall of a Christians growth in mortification, purging out corruption, or vivification, bringing forth more fruit a treatise handling this case, how to discerne our growth in grace : affording some helps rightly to judge thereof by resolving some tentations, clearing some mistakes, answering some questions, about spiritual growth : together with other observations upon the Parable of the vine, John 15. 1, 2 verses / by Tho. Goodwin. Goodwin, Thomas, 1600-1680. 1650 (1650) Wing G1262; ESTC R10593 96,023 122

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of_o that_o he_o have_v speak_v in_o the_o former_a verse_n from_o the_o 12._o verse_n and_o go_v on_o to_o speak_v of_o it_o and_o exhort_v to_o it_o thus_o in_o like_a manner_n gal._n 5._o 24._o it_o be_v call_v crucify_a the_o flesh_n with_o the_o lust_n not_o one_o lust_n but_o the_o flesh_n the_o whole_a bundle_n the_o cluster_n of_o they_o all_o and_o in_o that_o it_o be_v call_v crucify_a it_o imply_v it_o also_o for_o of_o all_o death_n that_o do_v work_v upon_o every_o part_n it_o do_v stretch_v every_o nerve_n sinew_n and_o veyn_a and_o put_v all_o the_o part_n to_o pain_n and_o this_o go_v on_o to_o mortify_v sin_n be_v call_v rom._n 6._o the_o destroy_n of_o the_o body_n of_o sin_n of_o the_o whole_a body_n it_o be_v not_o the_o consumption_n of_o one_o member_n of_o the_o lung_n or_o liver_n etc._n etc._n but_o it_o be_v be_v consumptio_fw-la totius_fw-la a_o consumption_n of_o the_o whole_a body_n of_o sin_n so_o as_o every_o new_a degree_n of_o mortification_n be_v the_o consume_n of_o the_o whole_a and_o therefore_o also_o colos_n 3._o where_o in_o like_a manner_n he_o exhort_v to_o his_o growth_n therein_o he_o exhort_v to_o mortify_v earthly_a member_n every_o member_n and_o the_o reason_n hereof_o be_v because_o first_o true_a mortification_n strike_v at_o the_o root_n and_o so_o cause_v every_o branch_n to_o wither_v for_o all_o sinful_a disposition_n be_v root_v in_o one_o namely_o in_o love_n of_o pleasure_n more_o than_o of_o god_n and_o all_o true_a imortification_n dead_v a_o man_n to_o the_o pleasure_n of_o sin_n by_o bring_v the_o heart_n more_o into_o communion_n and_o into_o love_n with_o god_n and_o therefore_o the_o dead_n to_o any_o sin_n must_v needs_o be_v general_a and_o universal_a to_o every_o sin_n it_o be_v as_o the_o die_a of_o the_o heart_n which_o cause_v all_o the_o member_n to_o die_v with_o it_o for_o that_o be_v the_o difference_n between_o restrain_v grace_n which_o cut_v off_o but_o branch_n and_o so_o lop_v the_o tree_n but_o true_a mortification_n strike_v every_o blow_n at_o the_o root_n second_o every_o new_a degree_n of_o true_a mortification_n purge_v out_o a_o sin_n as_o it_o be_v sin_n and_o work_n against_o it_o under_o that_o consideration_n and_o if_o against_o it_o as_o sin_n than_o the_o same_o power_n that_o work_v out_o any_o sin_n work_v against_o every_o sin_n in_o the_o heart_n also_o now_o that_o every_o new_a degree_n work_v against_o a_o sin_n as_o it_o be_v sin_n be_v plain_a by_o this_o because_o if_o it_o be_v purge_v out_o upon_o any_o other_o respect_n it_o be_v not_o mortification_n three_o the_o spirit_n and_o the_o virtue_n that_o come_v from_o christ_n which_o be_v the_o efficient_a cause_n of_o this_o purge_n out_o a_o sin_n do_v also_o work_v against_o every_o sin_n when_o they_o work_v against_o any_o one_o and_o they_o have_v a_o contrariety_n to_o every_o lust_n they_o search_v into_o every_o vein_n and_o draw_v from_o all_o part_n physician_n may_v give_v elective_a purge_n as_o they_o call_v they_o which_o will_v purge_v out_o one_o humour_n and_o not_o another_o but_o christ_n physic_n work_v general_o it_o take_v away_o all_o sort_n of_o distemper_n and_o whereas_o the_o objection_n against_o this_o may_v be_v object_n that_o then_o all_o lust_n will_v come_v to_o be_v equal_o mortify_v i_o answer_v answ_n no_o for_o all_o lust_n be_v never_o equal_o alive_a in_o a_o man_n some_o be_v strong_a some_o weak_a by_o custom_n through_o disposition_n of_o body_n and_o spirit_n and_o therefore_o though_o mortification_n extend_v itself_o to_o all_o yet_o there_o be_v a_o inequality_n in_o the_o life_n and_o growth_n of_o these_o sin_n in_o we_o hence_o some_o remain_n still_o more_o some_o less_o mortify_v as_o when_o a_o flood_n of_o water_n be_v leave_v to_o flow_v into_o a_o field_n where_o many_o hill_n be_v of_o differ_v height_n though_o the_o water_n overflow_v all_o equal_o yet_o some_o be_v more_o above_o water_n than_o other_o because_o they_o be_v high_o before_o of_o themselves_o and_o hence_o it_o be_v that_o some_o sin_n when_o the_o power_n of_o grace_n come_v may_v be_v in_o a_o manner_n whole_o subdue_v namely_o those_o which_o proceed_v out_o of_o the_o abundance_n of_o naughtiness_n in_o the_o heart_n as_o swear_v malice_n against_o the_o truth_n and_o these_o the_o child_n of_o god_n be_v usual_o whole_o free_v from_o and_o they_o seem_v whole_o dead_a be_v as_o the_o excrement_n of_o other_o member_n and_o be_v as_o the_o nail_n and_o the_o hair_n they_o be_v whole_o pare_v off_o as_o be_v the_o manner_n to_o a_o proselyte_n woman_n the_o power_n of_o grace_n take_v they_o away_o though_o other_o member_n continue_v vigorous_a and_o therefore_o of_o swear_v christ_n say_v what_o be_v more_o than_o yea_o yea_o and_o nay_o nay_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d out_o of_o a_o profarie_a heart_n as_o when_o a_o man_n be_v a_o die_a some_o member_n be_v stiff_a and_o cold_a and_o clean_o dead_a long_o afore_o as_o the_o foot_n whilst_o other_o continue_v to_o have_v some_o life_n and_o heat_n in_o they_o so_o in_o the_o mortification_n of_o a_o christian_a some_o lust_n that_o be_v more_o remote_a be_v whole_o stiff_a and_o stark_o when_o other_o retain_v much_o life_n in_o they_o the_o second_o question_n be_v 2._o whether_o when_o i_o apply_v christ_n and_o the_o promise_n with_o the_o virtue_n of_o christ_n for_o the_o mortification_n of_o some_o one_o particular_a lust_n or_o other_o and_o do_v use_v those_o right_a mean_n as_o prayer_n fast_v etc._n etc._n for_o the_o special_a mortification_n of_o some_o one_o lust_n whether_o that_o lust_n thereby_o do_v not_o become_v more_o mortify_v than_o other_o lust_n do_v i_o answer_v answ_n yes_o yet_o so_o as_o in_o a_o proportion_n this_o work_n of_o mortification_n it_o run_v through_o all_o the_o rest_n for_o as_o in_o wash_v out_o the_o great_a stain_n of_o a_o cloth_n the_o lesser_a stain_n be_v wash_v out_o also_o with_o the_o same_o labour_n so_o it_o be_v here_o therefore_o the_o apostle_n in_o all_o his_o exhortation_n to_o mortification_n both_o eph._n 4._o and_o gal._n 5._o and_o col._n 3._o though_o he_o exhort_v to_o the_o put_v off_o the_o old_a man_n the_o whole_a body_n of_o sin_n yet_o instance_n in_o particular_a sin_n because_o a_o man_n be_v particular_o to_o endeavour_v the_o mortification_n of_o particular_n as_o it_o be_v apart_o and_o yet_o because_o in_o get_v they_o mortify_v the_o whole_a body_n of_o sin_n be_v destroy_v therefore_o he_o mention_n both_o the_o whole_a body_n and_o particular_a member_n thereof_o apart_o as_o the_o object_n of_o mortification_n and_o to_o that_o end_n also_o do_v god_n exercise_v his_o child_n first_o with_o one_o lust_n then_o with_o another_o that_o they_o may_v make_v trial_n of_o the_o virtue_n of_o christ_n death_n upon_o every_o one_o and_o therefore_o christ_n bid_v we_o to_o pull_v out_o a_o eye_n and_o cut_v off_o a_o hand_n if_o they_o offend_v we_o for_o mortification_n be_v to_o be_v by_o we_o direct_v against_o particular_a member_n yet_o so_o as_o withal_o in_o a_o proportion_n all_o the_o rest_n receive_v a_o far_a degree_n of_o destruction_n for_o as_o a_o particular_a act_n of_o sin_n be_v it_o uncleannnesse_n or_o the_o like_a when_o commit_v do_v increase_v a_o disposition_n to_o every_o sin_n yet_o so_o as_o it_o leave_v a_o present_a great_a disposition_n to_o that_o particular_a sin_n then_o any_o other_o and_o increase_v it_o most_o in_o potentia_fw-la proxima_fw-la though_o all_o the_o rest_n in_o potentia_fw-la remota_fw-la so_o in_o every_o act_n of_o mortification_n though_o the_o common_a stock_n be_v increase_v yet_o the_o particular_a lust_n we_o aim_v at_o have_v a_o great_a share_n in_o the_o mortification_n endeavour_v as_o in_o minister_a physic_n to_o cure_v the_o head_n the_o whole_a body_n be_v often_o purge_v yet_o so_o as_o the_o head_n the_o party_n affect_v be_v yet_o chief_o purge_v and_o more_o than_o the_o rest_n chap._n ii_o three_o question_n resolve_v concern_v positive_a growth_n other_o question_n there_o be_v concern_v that_o other_o part_n of_o our_o growth_n namely_o in_o positive_a grace_n and_o the_o fruit_n thereof_o as_o first_o 1._o whether_o every_o new_a degree_n of_o grace_n run_v through_o all_o the_o faculty_n i_o answer_v answ_n yes_o for_o as_o every_o new_a degree_n of_o light_n in_o the_o air_n run_v through_o the_o whole_a hemisphere_n when_o the_o sun_n shine_v clear_a and_o clear_a to_o the_o perfect_a day_n which_o be_v solomon_n comparison_n in_o the_o proverb_n so_o every_o new_a degree_n of_o grace_n run_v through_o and_o be_v diffuse_v through_o the_o whole_a man_n and_o therefore_o also_o 1_o thes_n 5._o 23._o when_o the_o