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A17865 A tract of the soueraigne iudge of controuersies in matters of religion. By Iohn Cameron minister of the Word of God, and divinity professour in the Academie of Montauban. Translated into English by Iohn Verneuil. M.A. Cameron, John, 1579?-1625.; Verneuil, John, 1582 or 3-1647. 1628 (1628) STC 4532; ESTC S107505 32,785 50

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businesse if wee way be judge of him according to his writings aymed especially to lay the foūdatiō of Atheisme not that his intent was to overthrow the Romish Religion He was a French man and a louer of publike peace hee did know that so to maintaine it it behoued that the most welcome and the most approoued Religion was to be maintained We thinke it not strange that hee should haue commended in publike the Romish Religion from thence hee had his meanes But wee are extreamely displeased that he durst testifie by his writings his contempt and litle respect of all Religion Furthermore as we haue proved the iniquity of the judgment which the Doctors who call themselues Catholickes passe on the Scripture so wee hope that it will be easie to see their assignemēt of a judge in sending vs to the Church is eyther illusiue or impossible illusiue if by the Church they vnderstand themselues for since they are our opposite parties they cannot bee our judges Impossible if by the Church they vnderstand the mysticall body of our Lord Iesus Christ to whom only notwithstanding the promises haue beene made For who canne distinctly point out the members of that body but hee alone who is the head And who can then assemble them And if this be impossible how shal that Church be the judge which we require A speaking Iudge a well knowe Iudge to whom all may haue their recourse by whom all may bee resolued And therefore we persist in our demand that wee may be remitted to answere before that vnsuspected Iudge and acknowledged of all parties to wit God speaking in the Scriptures Let vs conclude then with Optatus Mileuitanus Let no body beleeue you let no body beleeue vs for indeede wee are opposite parties Wee must seeke then Iudges if wee take them from among Christians they can be neither of the one nor the other partie they must be sought then without If wee call a Pagan hee knowes not Christian mysteries if a Iewe hee is an enemy of Christian Baptisme Wee cannot then finde on earth any Iudge of this businesse wee mnst then seeke a Iudge from heauen But why knocke wee at heauens gate since wee haue the TESTAMENT in the Gospell for here we may compare terrestriall things with coelestiall it is as if a man had many children whilest hee is with them he gouerneth and commandeth every one of them his Testament is not as yet necessary But as the terrestriall father finding himselfe nere his end and fearing that after his death the bond of peace being broken contentions and debates may arise amongst the brothers calling witnesses signeth in tabls to endure for euer that which he hath within his dying heart that if there happen any strife between the brothers it shal not be needful to go to the graue but that the Testamēt be sought for in the dumbe tables frō whence he that rests quietly in his graue ●●eakes liuely The testator is in heauē let vs search then his will in the Gospell as in his testament For according to the saying of Chrysostome If any thing be said without the Scripture the spirit of the hearer halteth now assenting anon doubting sometimes reiecting the words as friuilous and presently receiuing the same againe as probable But when the testimony of Gods word is produced out of the Scripture i● strengthens as well the discourse of the speaker as the spirit of 〈…〉 And would it not be very absurd saith the same Father not to trust another in a matter of monye but to account and ●●ll it on 's selfe and neuerthelesse when the determining of th●se so weighty matters is in hand to suffer himselfe to be drawne as it were by force and inconsiderately to another mans opinion especially hauing an exact scale rule and square to wit the declaration of the holy Scriptures And therefore I adiure and pray you all that you leaue that which seemeth Good to this man or to that man and that ye inquire of the Scriptures concerning these things Galat. 6. v. 16. As man● as walke according to this rule peace bee on them and mercy and vpon the Israel of God FINIS * Peremptoria siquidem res est ingratitudo hostis gratiae inimica salutis Bernard sermone 2. de septem misericordijs Plantus ●in milite Act. 3. scena 2. v. 29. Quem diabolus non invenit occupatum ipse occupat 2 Timoth 3. 1● 17. 2 Kings 22. 10. Psa. 9. 7. 8. Tertull. Prisc●s ad haeret cap. 3. ex personis probamus fidem an ex fide personas Aug. concr epist Man cap. 4. Basil. de Sp. S. c. 17. Tertul. praescr cap● 7. Tertul. de res car c. 47. Eight reasons wherefore God cannot be Iudge The eight reasons retorted against the adversary Rom. 13. 1. 2. Cor. 4. 5. Apoc. 14. 13. Rom. 10. 14. Exod. 20. Luc. 17. 10. Heb. 9. 10. cb 1. Cor. 14. 21. Mat. 1● 1● Discord amongst the Romish Doctors Tho. 2 a 2 ae qu. 103. art 3. 3. q 25. art 40. Bellar. lib. 2. de magin c 20. 2● Concil Cal● Act. 1. Iohn 5. 46. Luke 16. 29. v. 31. 2 Tim. 3. 16. 2. Pet. 1. 10. How the Scripture is obscure 2. Cor. 10. 5. What kind of Iudge requisite for the Church Iohn 6. 44. Isaiah 54. 1● Psal. 119. v. 105. Psal. 19. Rom. 15. 4. 2. Tim. 1. 19. 2. Pet. 1. 19. Chris●st he● 3. de Laz. Obiection for the obscurity of the Scripture Answere Nehem. 8. 8. ● Timoth. 3. 15. ●7 Iohn 5. 46. 47. v. 45 Tertul. de resur car cap. 3. Vt de Scripturis solis quaestiones suas sistant stare non poterunt And. Duellij orationes in Concilio Tridētino habitae Examen Concilij Trident Innocentio Gentileto authore See the instructions and letters of the Kings of France and their Embassadours with the letters of the Emperours and Princes of Germany But esp●cially read the history of the Councell of Trent by Pietro S●ane Epist. ●5 Quo●●●m nu●lius Concil●j finem l●tum faustum vi●i Eph. 2. 8 9. Rom. 8. 9. v. 14. 15. 16. Eph. 1. 13. 14. Iohn 10. 3. 4. 5. 1. Cor. 2. ● 4. 15. 16. 1. Iohn 2. 27. 2. Cor. 3. 3. Ephes. 3. 17. 1. Cor. 16. 19. Luke 1. 78. * Optatus Episcopus Mileuitanus contra Parmenianum lib. 5. Tomo 2. Bibliothaec patrum pag. 393. columna 1. editione Parisiensi 1575. Nemo vobis credat nemo nobis omnes contensiosi homines sumus Quaerendi sunt judices ●●i Christiani de vtraque parte dari non possunt deforis quaerendus est judex si Paganus non potest nos●e Christiana secreta si Iudaeus inimicus est Christiani baptismatis Ergo in terris de hac re nullum poterit reperiri iudicium de coelo quaerendus est iudex sed vt quid pulsamus ad coelum cum habeamus hic in Evangelio Testamentum Quia hoc loco rectè possunt terrena coelestibus comparari tale est quod qu●uis hominum habens numerosos filios His quamdiu pater praesens est ipse imperat singulis non est adhuc necessarium testamentum Sic Christus quamdiu praesens in terris fuit quamuis nec modò desit pro tempore quicquid necessarium erat Apostolis imperavit Sed quomodo terrenus pater cum se in confinio senserit mortis timens ne post mortem ●uam rupta pace litigent frattes adhibitis testibus voluntatem suam de pectore morituro transfert in tabulas diu duraturas Et si fuerit inter fratres contentio nata non itur ad tumulum sed quaeritur testamentum Et qui in tumulo quiescit tacitis de tabulis loquitur viuus Is cuius est testamentum in caelo est Ergo voluntas eius velut in testamento sic in Evangelio inquiratur a Homil in Ps 95. 〈◊〉 3. p. 〈…〉 Duca●● 16●1 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 13. in ● epist. ad 〈◊〉 finem ex ed●io● Com●liona● 84 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉